Rinsing a Dyson Shroud

[baglessball]

My main reason for liking stain is the constant power, I like seeing what I've picked up. Plus if I have 10minutes before the parents are coming and I have muck on the floor, hair on the sofa and cobwebs on my ceiling I'm going to go with dyson where I an get good results fast! I can't clean round as quickly with as gooder results as I can with a dyson. Im probably a bit biased as I'm overly used to dysons design, I have used them for years.

Don't get me wrong, I live Kirby, but genuine bags and belts in the UK are expensive, he does a great job, but is time consuming..

Daily dyson, big jobs and LOADS of crap on the carpet Kirby, carpet cleaning Rug doctor!

 

[lunchboxsean]

I think one of my biggest problems also with Dyson's is their reliability issues. Every vacuum shop I know has a love/hate relationship with Dyson. They hate to sell them because they know it will be back but they love the service business driven by the Dysons as well. I don't think the concept of a No Loss of Suction machine is unreliable by design because I have one of James Dyson's first commercial machines, a Fantom Fury. I never have problems with it, it has great suction, and it is incredible easy to maintain. It is not my daily because I believe it to be on the rarer side and will only continue to be rarer so I want to wear it as little as possible. I just think that Dysons are cheaply built and overpriced.

 

[thissucks]

sorry i have to spill it.

there is a loss of suction, it just happens slowly, seen plenty of them so packed that NO air will flow.

the thing is with a powerfull machine you notice little suction loss, such as a royal, sanitaire or kirby, sure its nice a vac wont loose suction room to room (which for a bagged machine takes weeks or months to notice anything due to the large bag size) but because of its turbulent tech, it looses alot of suction from the getgo.

the nossle design of the dyson is the worst ive seen, the hose is typicly all the way to one side, with a very broken path through the nossle, for it to work correctly you must suck out the dust as soon as you hit it with the brush, if it takes too long to get to the hose, the brushes just beat it back into the carpet.

they should do a study about how much dirt is put back into the air when you empty a bagless system, im sure its worse than not vacuuming at all.

dyson is not and should not be considered in the same league as kirby, royal, sanitaire, meile and the other vacuum store quality machines, it is a super market boxed machine, that is no better in durability compaired to the other chinese $100 vacs (infact some value vacs work better and last longer) they simply are not made to last more than a few years, and will not hold a light to the longevity of hoover convertibles, kirby's and old royals that have been around for 20,30,40 years. (personally i have a good working kirby 505 from 1945 and a 73 omega)

i work at a vac shop as a mechanic so, ive seen what comes and goes, we do not and will not sell new dysons, only rebuilt models, i could not sleep at night if i sold someone one of those tupperware nightmares.

use what you will, but know if you get used to it when you try out a kirby or something along those lines, you will realize there isnt a real compairison.

 

[gsheen]

I have been a R&d and test engineer for a few vacuum company's Not dyson however. I now own a vacuum shop and totally disagree with you. 


they are very well made , the plasic is very high quality abs. 


 


what I can't understand is you won't sell a new dyson but you will sell a rebuilt one??????????????? sound a bit odd . you will sell some one elses one that they've abused but not a factory fresh new one with a 5 year guarantee . 


 


Me thinks you make more $$$$$$$ of the rebuilt ones, I know I do.


 


If you don't think the machines are that good then why sell them at all.


 


I am very particular about what we sell in our shop new or rebuilt. 


there are certain dyson models that I don't believe are suited to our country so I won't sell them new or rebuilt 


 


I just bought a new miele s7000 cat & dog Its a great vacuum nice and quiet but its cleaning performance and build quality is the same as my dc28.


 


what did shock me on the miele was that after only 4 days of ownership the inside of the bag container had dust on it. I have never really liked these fabric bags and this is why , they all leak dust. so you will get just as much dust if not more on your hands as you would get from emptying a Dyson bin


 


 


 


 


 

 

[lunchboxsean]

They only sell used Dysons because they have to. What else does a vac shop do with a Dyson when someone trades it in on a decent machine like a Simplicity, Miele, Sanitaire, etc.?

 

[gsheen]

I trade in variouse makes I don't believe in almost every day but I never resell them we keep them for parts or sell them in the trade. If you don't believe in a product then you shouldn't sell it

 

[thissucks]

we warn people about them, we only have two lightly used models.

some people will not listen and insist on dyson, that is why we must have one or two on the floor, most end up in boxes or in the trash though.

you can do so much better than a dyson for the money, if they where priced like they should be $100-200 i wouldnt have a issue but $300-600? its like paying $30 for a fast food meal.

 

[Sanifan]

Not to get too off topic...

...but what do you think about the airflow path of the Dyson canisters vs. that of the uprights? I haven't seen these compared.

There's a lot of complaints about the convoluted path on the uprights, with all the bends, hoses, tubes, gaskets, etc. Aren't there something like 7 seal points in the airpath? Does seem problematic. But the canisters have only two, right? One where the hose enters the cylinder, and one exiting the cylinder. Everything else is internal in the motor base. Doesn't that give the canister a leg up in reliability?

And back on topic, I always thought you weren't supposed to rinse out the shroud because the fine dust would cake up and harden like cement if you didn't fully flush it out. Is that a possibility? Or just imagination?

 

[tolivac]

I rinsed out the cyclone assembly of a Dyson DC07 I got from a former Kirby dealer-smelled like DOG!After cleaning the cyclone assembly,washing the dirt cup,replacing the filter(NOT washing it)and clipping away the doghair wrapped around the roller brush-the Dyson vac was much better.No more DOG in the vacuum!The rollerbrush in mine was so wrapped in dog hair-wonder if it could BUFF hard floors?

 

[whirlcool]

Whenever I go to out Miele vac dealer (he also carries other brands such as Riccar, Bosch & Panasonic) there is always a bunch of Dyson machines awaiting repair. The repair guy said that the owners never change the filters or clean the machines and that's all they need to get back on the road again in most cases.

 

[gsheen]

Thats what I find here aswell. 


because you only need to wash the filter every 3 months or so customers tend to forget to do it. 


 


I had a dc07 that was brought out from the UK in for repair last month. Customer hadn't cleaned the filter since she bought it 7 years ago!!!.


 


That and I also find people tend to abuse them more than they owuld another vacuum , IE using them to suck up cement dust and using them in the workshop. I have been repairing vacuums since I was 14 and have had a vac shop for the past 10 years , never have I seen machines so abused as dysons. What I do like about them aswell is that compaired to other brands especially Miele they are very cost effective to repair.


 


The aegElectrolux motor for there cylinder vac is twice the price of the Dysons motor despite the Dyson costing more than twice the price of the aeg.

 

[lunchboxsean]

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If I spent $600 on a vacuum, I would want it to clean the garage, too. Heck, for $600 it better clean the gutters, the litterbox, the dishes, and the windows! If they would take that $600 and buy a nice $300 Simplicity or Sanitaire, they could afford a nice shop vac, and all those "expensive bags and filters" for years to come.

 

[gsheen]

O so in that case , go and take your new $ 1500.00 Kirby sentria and clean the garage and suck up cement dust and chips. It will last two seconds Before the fan shatters into pieces. the dyson will atleast do it it may be a little worse for wera but it will do it.


 


When we have been ding renovations we have been using my little dc19 to clean up. It was really funny when the builder came in to clean up cement dust after knocking down a huge wall in our Lounge. he cam in with theis ALTO wap twin motor machineSQ850. Its huge and he any managed to suck up about a square meter of dust before the filters were clogged.


 


I went to get our dc19 and cleaned up the rest no hassle , just stopping to empty the bin when it got to the max mark. He now has two dc19's and a dc27 that he uses to clean up after building Jobs

 

[lunchboxsean]

Awesome! I'm just pulling your leg, btw. I like to play Devil's advocate sometimes. And though I am a huge fan of the Kirby product, there is a reason I don't sell new ones anymore. I believe that for the performance they deliver, the low cost of maintenance and supplies, and the extraordinary longevity they have, there is no reason not to buy a used one for $50-$250, $50 being in the Heritage to Legend II range and $250 being the Sentria. I have a Kirby 505 made in 1945 that still runs perfectly, cleans perfectly, and I can still easily get parts for. I don't use it often because I'm not an idiot, but that kind of longevity gives me mountains of respect for the brand and I think that they are still built to that level of quality nearly 70 years later. No offense, but lets see how many DC-whatevers are running around in 60-70 years...

 

[gsheen]

You are right , though we get dc01's from 93-94 in for just a new brush roll , motors still look new.


 


I have a few Kirby's including a 508, legend ll and heritage ll and a G6 Not a big fan of G models , just sold my two complete sentrias to a kirby dealership in exchange for a few other machines. I am not a fan at all of a sentrian I feel they went backwards. No offence to all you sentria lovers Its just my feeling after working on so many of them. Never before have I ever had so many of a particular model Kirby in for repair. 


 


there are dyson models I do not like and won't sell either , DC23 been one of them. I just feel there are better machines out there for that price. I also hate the air driven turbine head Its not very reliable at all.

 

[lunchboxsean]

I agree. I feel for that kind of money you should get a good solid motorized power head that can really dig in.