Phillips P60

[vintagerepairer]

Sorry it was Beko who made the funny joke. Jamie the floor tool is a Wessel Werk, the design of which has been used on more cleaners than I could think of. Vax was the major one, but so, so many cleaners have had them. It is original for the T300 and was widely available as a spare part for all makes and models.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Only the crevice tool is not original to that model. But it still looks like an original Philips part. As I said earlier, people often bought the 'missing' parts.

 

[jmurray01]

By all means bid Steve, it is in good condition by the looks of things.

 

[madabouthoovers]

So what you are saying is that it doesnt have a cord rewind? not that thats a major problem, but its unusual for a cylinder not to have it. the seller doesnt say there is a problem with the switch, but I'm gonna keep my eye on the price and may go for it as I dont have many cylinders in my collection, and although its cheap and basic, its the condition that appeals to me. Does it have a 32mm or 35mm pipe?

 

[jmurray01]

I'd guess 35mm because that is what my U800 has.

 

[vintagerepairer]

No it is 32mm. I did mention this earlier. Philips used a 32mm tube with a spring loaded ball inside the tube. The 35mm on your upright Jamie is such because this model, as you know, is not made by Philips. It was made by a 3rd party and used by a good deal of manufacturers.

Whilst the Philips tubes are 32mm, they do not taper in the same way as an Electrolux for example does. The Philips is a straight end tube, using the ball to lock attachments in place. Because of this, one has to be very careful to make sure that any other 32mm attachments used are a good fit, as some do not allow much of the Philips tube to sit inside of it.

The T300 does not have a cordwinder. Though much later than the P60, it is essentially the cleaner which replaced that base model some years later.

 

[madabouthoovers]

35mm? thats the size Miele and Bosch use, so I'd have accessories that would fit that hose then - just another thought, is the wand plasic or black metal, as I'm just not keen on plastic wands. Any Idea how old the T300 might be? all these questions lol - Philips cleaners are a new brand for me, never had one, although I do have a Philips LCD 32" TV and thats been brilliant!

 

[vintagerepairer]

The T300 started in the early part of the 1990s. It had light grey plastic tubes and mains lead, but this was updated after a couple of years to dark grey, which is what we see here. As for sizes of tube, well I think you were typing at the same time as myself, so you may have missed my reply.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Thanks Benny for the info, and based on that, I dont think I will go for it after all, as I dont really like plastic tubes - metal is best for them. Sounds very basic and with the costs to collect it will mean nearly £30 for it assuming there is no other interest in it.
Might turn my attention to the Electrolux 522 thats in Preston, although it will probably sell for a high price in the end.

 

[vintagerepairer]

The Philips tubes were very flexible. Having said that, they rarely broke, mainly because the fittins did not taper into a tight fit. A good fit, yes, but not tight. The tubes also fitted deeply into each other, which helped. These machines were great for small homes and could last forever if bought as a second cleaner for jobs involving the hose.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Steve, I note with interest your comments about it being unusual for a cylinder cleaner not to have a cordwinder. It certainly is by today's standards, but up until the last 10 years I suppose it was quite normal for the basic models in all brands to have no such feature. What is unusual is that most basic cleaners would at least have some kind of manual provision for storing the lead, although this was not always the case. As time progressed, the number of cleaners with neither a manual or automatic cord winding facility did seem to increase.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I am more of an upright fan, and dont have that many cylinders at the moment - am looking to branch out a bit more to include a few more cylinders, but yes, in the olden days when cylinders were long thin tubular machines, the cord did used to wrap round the machine. The models of the late 90's and this millenium such as the Dyson DC02,DC05,DC08,DC11 etc the Henry's miele's all had cord winders. I just see it as more the norm that cylinders have cord winders and uprights dont. Although my Hitachi Powerhouse upright actually does, which I find a rarity.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Well, not just the long thin cleaners. Basic Electrolux cleaners always had provision for the flex to be wrapped around the end cap and up to the handle and back. Some Goblin cleaners had nothing and it was left to the user to wrap the lead round and round the body of the cleaner. The Hoover 417 was the same. Yet the Constellation on the other hand had TWO storage areas! Officially the lead was to wrap around the carry handle, but a good deal of owners wrapped it around the base instead.

In the 1980's the Electrolux slimline range had cord hooks built into the rear of the machine. But some other cleaners like the Philips had nothing. Interestingly, the cheap Goblin Rio had integrated grooves to wind the lead around, but the more expensive Goblin Solo didn't! Mind you, the Solo had the exact same motor and tools as the Rio, even though the Rio was designed to be seen as a much smaller, cheaper machine; the only difference was that the Solo had a paper bag. I once had a customer telling me she had both a Rio and a Solo but didn't use the Rio much as it was simply not capable as doing the work of the Solo. If only she knew.

 

[turbo500]

I have the T300. It's a very late 80's/early 90's machine and replaced the P60 as the BOL cleaner. There were a lot of varieties of this style cleaner running well into the late 90's. I believe the P60 ran alongside the T300 for a while as it was slightly larger. Will post some catalogue pics when I get home

 

[vintagerepairer]

No not quite, the P60 finished in the mid 1980s and was replaced with the P80 I wrote about earlier. That was the one which I remember being around before the T300. In 1994 there was a small explosion of cleaners from Philips, from bottom range models to top. They were on sale for about two years and then almost all Philips cleaners went off sale.

 

[jmurray01]

Steve, I wouldn't let the fact it has plastic tubes put you off.

I have plastic tubes on my 1988 Hitachi Powerhouse CV2550 of the same era and I don't have a complaint against them. They are light, strong and durable.

Of course metal tubes are always better and in the case of modern cleaners, such as my 2008 JMB SC1056, the tubes aren't made of good quality plastic and do snap, often where the hose nozzle connects to the first extension tube due to the friction fit tapered nozzle trying to pull the tube outwards when you push it in. That reminds me, I will have to glue that some time.

This may come as a surprise to you, but I actually have a soft spot for BOL Vacuum Cleaners.

Mainly because there is little to go wrong and what there is normally works for a long time due to the fact that the engineering didn't have to be spread out to cord winders and other gizmos so it was just centred around making a good motor.

 

[jmurray01]

Sam, where is this thread with more pictures!? I don't think I can wait much longer...

 

[beko1987]

I've not made it yet! Will write it up tonight. It will be on my blog, as I can't write it up as I would like on here, so it will be a link. Waiting for the cloth bag/filter to dry so I can use it!

 

[jmurray01]

I hope you'll be fitting an H1 bag for extra protection though ?

And after picking up all that dust, I'm sure some vacuum freshener tabs would be helpful to freshen things up a little.

 

[turbo500]

the Philips range from Argos 1986. The P60 is at the top of the page and retailed at £49.95

 

[beko1987]

Fantastic, thank you very much. All I need to do is spend £10 on an argos value cleaner, and have a perfect replica of the pipes and floor tool!

No wonder they are not still with the vac, probably just as well, bet they would be in a state by now!

Don't suppose you've got the blurb as well do you?

 

[vintagerepairer]

That cleaner in the top three looks like a P81. The P80 replaced the P60, but was white & grey and had a 1000watt motor. The one pictured is white & grey and also has an all-round furniture guard. This was not present on the P60 or P80.

 

[turbo500]

Here's the descriptions - Benny, as you can see, it's 800w. Might be a slightly later version of the one Sam has got, but definitely still a P60. 

 

[vintagerepairer]

That cleaner in the picture is model HR6282 which means nothing to me as I only ever looked at the 'P' numbers. It is also listed as having the cord storage strap which I spoke about earlier on. Also it is listed as being 800watts which is odd. I am wondering if it is an exclusive model.

 

[turbo500]

I don't think Argos ever had exclusive models, aside from their own brand products. I think Benny it's perhaps a newer variant of the one Sam has here. 

 

[vintagerepairer]

Here is a picture of the P80. Identical to the P60 but in white & grey and 1000watt. Also no cord strap or furniture guard.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Hiya Turbo. If it's a variant, it is likely to be the P61 or P62. One of them have neon lights, the other didn't. They had additional trim on(cord strap, furniture guard) the body of the cleaners. The P60 and P80 does not have those.

 

[turbo500]

that's from 1987. 

 

[vintagerepairer]

The P80 is, yes. It replaced the P60. I found a picture to show you what it was like.

 

[turbo500]

Here is my Philips T300 compact, with the higher spec variable power 1000w version behind it