Patriot

[Nat]

Is this vacuum worth $80? Does it work well on hard wood floors?

 

[centralsweeper63]

That is likely worth $80. It will not work at all on hard floors, unless you spend around $40-50 on a hard floor tool.

 

[centralsweeper63]

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[herbicide]

That thing looks like a hot rod. I just watched a video on that make a few days back.

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[centralsweeper63]

They are fairly quiet, I think.

 

[hygiene903]

Welcome to Vacuumland! I think it would be worth the $80, and whether or not it would work well on bare floors depends on if there is a full set of attachments with it or just what's shown in the picture. You should be able to pick up a floor brush fairly cheap on ebay, and a generic one should fit if you can't find one specifically for Patriot. It kind of looks like an overbuilt Compact or Tristar, so one from one of those makes should fit as well.
Jeff

 

[cheesewonton]

Is this vacuum worth $80? Does it work well on hard wood floors? View attachment 171406

Well worth $80. They sold new for over $2000. The Sebo ET350 power nozzle alone is worth well over $80. It's one of the all time great power nozzles. A pair of standard 1 1/4 inch diameter 19 inch long friction fit wands and a simple parquet floor brush are all you need to use this on hard floors. They are simple and super durable vacuums. I have this exact same model.

 

[cheesewonton]

Welcome to Vacuumland! I think it would be worth the $80, and whether or not it would work well on bare floors depends on if there is a full set of attachments with it or just what's shown in the picture. You should be able to pick up a floor brush fairly cheap on ebay, and a generic one should fit if you can't find one specifically for Patriot. It kind of looks like an overbuilt Compact or Tristar, so one from one of those makes should fit as well.
Jeff

What's annoying is that Schoettler puts the button lock farther up the spout than you find for Kenmore, Eureka, Tristar or standard central vacuum wands and the spout itself has a bit of a taper compared to a central vacuum hose end. Same for the upper wand with cord control for the power nozzle. You can't plug a standard central vacuum hose handle into the Schoettler wand. Won't fit. You would have to change the metal spout. Schoettler made it so you have to use a Schoettler specific wand, or you just use the generic friction fit wands.
The body on these is plastic. The handle and lid are metal but the rest is a high impact plastic. A little lighter than a Tristar, That big exhaust filter costs $200 a pop, but is supposed to last three years. The angle of the lid makes it almost impossible to open the lid and empty the thing without dirt falling out and falling into the inner bag or the bag chamber itself. The cyclonic action piles all the dirt up against the underside of the lid at the very front. Schoettler sells a closed top "Hybrid" bag but they let way too much dust pass through. I am experimenting using the closed top synthetic HEPA bags for a Vortech XR3000 in the Patriot. I have to trim them a tiny bit to fit best but they seem to work good and keep everything clean inside,

 

[huskyvacs]

Buy it! Very high end door to door vacuum, they never sold many. I certainly do not see them that often. Very lucky that one still has its power nozzle, most times these come up for sale the nozzle is long gone. I seen them often and have TriStars but never was able to get one of these for a good price. They look like good performing vacuums. The car air cleaner filter on the back is hilariously goofy, TriStar had an attachment like that too.

 

[cheesewonton]

Buy it! Very high end door to door vacuum, they never sold many. I certainly do not see them that often. Very lucky that one still has its power nozzle, most times these come up for sale the nozzle is long gone. I seen them often and have TriStars but never was able to get one of these for a good price. They look like good performing vacuums. The car air cleaner filter on the back is hilariously goofy, TriStar had an attachment like that too.

Suction and airflow on these are modest due I think to the small diameter of the hose and exhaust opening, but no better or worse than a Tristar. The hose spouts on each end have an internal diameter of 28mm or 1.1 inches. I guess the "1 1/4" refers to the outside diameter. 28 cfm airflow and around 65 inches of water gauge both measured at the end of the hose. Same as a Tristar DXL, which incidentally uses the exact same Ametek motor. Their virtues are simplicity and durability. They are also fairly easy to use and don't make you bust a sweat or work around a lot of quirks. But they are no fun to empty cleanly and I think this is why they end up cheap on eBay.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Buy it before it is gone! Hurry, run, go for it.

 

[blackheart]

They're a very simple solid performing machine. In my experience the older models like that used the same motor, 116884, as the tristar CXL/DXL. Which are pretty good performers definitely in line with other high end options.
Definitely don't use that power nozzle on your hard floors it does not have front wheels and will scratch your floors, they do have a standard 1.25" connector so there's tons of aftermarket options for floor brushes. I'm fond of the wessel werk turn and clean D330 some like the two squeegee RD285 or even just a basic hard floor brush is just fine too.
I would suggest running Clean obssessed CH158 hepa bags. in it.
You'll want to wash that inner cloth filter bag out they can get pretty dusty if not cared for. As for the hepa filter on the back...I don't use mine it's very costly to replace and if you're running the hepa bags in it the only thing it should be outputting is a tiny amount of carbon dust from the motor itself.

 

[cheesewonton]

They're a very simple solid performing machine. In my experience the older models like that used the same motor, 116884, as the tristar CXL/DXL. Which are pretty good performers definitely in line with other high end options.
Definitely don't use that power nozzle on your hard floors it does not have front wheels and will scratch your floors, they do have a standard 1.25" connector so there's tons of aftermarket options for floor brushes. I'm fond of the wessel werk turn and clean D330 some like the two squeegee RD285 or even just a basic hard floor brush is just fine too.
I would suggest running Clean obssessed CH158 hepa bags. in it.
You'll want to wash that inner cloth filter bag out they can get pretty dusty if not cared for. As for the hepa filter on the back...I don't use mine it's very costly to replace and if you're running the hepa bags in it the only thing it should be outputting is a tiny amount of carbon dust from the motor itself.

I tried the VAC USA synthetic bags but they don't solve the problem. The dirt piles up at the very front and goes over the top of the bag when you open the lid. Some spills out on the floor and unless you go to a garbage pail and turn the whole canister upside down or use another vacuum to clean around the lip of the disposable bag there is no way to get the bag out without dirt falling back into the cloth bag. That angled lid is the major flaw in the Patriot design.

Otherwise easy to use vacuum, reliable and durable with modest but adequate performance.

 

[blackheart]

I was more talking about dust seeping through the paper bags but one could attempt to deter that by opening the chamber while the machine is on before changing the bag that way it pulls things in and away from the lip if you crack it just a little.

 

[cheesewonton]

I was more talking about dust seeping through the paper bags but one could attempt to deter that by opening the chamber while the machine is on before changing the bag that way it pulls things in and away from the lip if you crack it just a little.

I tried holding the canister vertically with the hose connection up and exhaust filter down and shaking it to get the dust to fall back into the bag but there was still a mess when I opened the lid. I have solved the problem by using the good closed top synthetic bags for a Vortech XR3000. I have to trim the edges of the round mounting card in three spots but each is a simple straight cut to fit the weird shape of the bag chamber opening.

Whatever bag you use in a Patriot has to overlap the inner cloth bag pretty far or it doesn't seal well. The Stormy bags have a D shaped cardboard collar. The thin round collar on the VAC USA bags didn't seal well for me. Dirt everywhere. The Hybrid bags let a lot of dust blow through. Started with a clean vacuum and inner bag, filled one Hybrid bag full and just that left the inner cloth bag so dusty I had to re-wash it and wipe down the inside of the bag chamber again. Kludge. No such problems with the Vortech bags.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I have the same problem with my Electrolux D338, I leave the hose in while slowly cracking the lid open with time. That usually does it.