richardc1983
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Need to find on eBay then lol
Panasonic MC-UG302
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sebo_fan
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The old ones or the X1.1 or X4?
I bought an X4 a couple of months ago from a certain EBAY seller in Glasgow - they sell a lot of Sebo vacuums all the time. All was going well for a couple of weeks but I noticed the back of the floor head where the wheels were was letting out a lot of hot air than normal from the motor. What transpired was the hood not being screwed down properly. Took a look inside and the hood's inner screw bits that meet the screws from the underside had got stuck in the chassis, no doubt allowing the hood to just rest on top of the chassis held down by two out of the 4 screws.
Have since removed the ones that were stuck in the chassis and have replaced the X4 hood with an X1.1 hood (dark blue dark grey). Even though the second hand vac was in good condition I was surprised to find that - so you have to be very careful what you buy second hand, because even if the machine looks and feels like it is working, some sellers are notorious for not checking the internals properly.
I actually think you should buy the Panasonic upright I have. I bought it initially at £129 from Amazon but the price has now dropped to a better bargain of £79! The brush roll doesn't scratch hard floors.
I bought an X4 a couple of months ago from a certain EBAY seller in Glasgow - they sell a lot of Sebo vacuums all the time. All was going well for a couple of weeks but I noticed the back of the floor head where the wheels were was letting out a lot of hot air than normal from the motor. What transpired was the hood not being screwed down properly. Took a look inside and the hood's inner screw bits that meet the screws from the underside had got stuck in the chassis, no doubt allowing the hood to just rest on top of the chassis held down by two out of the 4 screws.
Have since removed the ones that were stuck in the chassis and have replaced the X4 hood with an X1.1 hood (dark blue dark grey). Even though the second hand vac was in good condition I was surprised to find that - so you have to be very careful what you buy second hand, because even if the machine looks and feels like it is working, some sellers are notorious for not checking the internals properly.
I actually think you should buy the Panasonic upright I have. I bought it initially at £129 from Amazon but the price has now dropped to a better bargain of £79! The brush roll doesn't scratch hard floors.
turbo500
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The brush roll doesn't scratch hard floors
But does it just scatter grit and blow dust across the floor? I won't use an upright on hardfloors if it doesn't have the feature to turn the brushroll off.
But does it just scatter grit and blow dust across the floor? I won't use an upright on hardfloors if it doesn't have the feature to turn the brushroll off.
sebo_fan
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Well, you were quite happy to push for Richard to consider the X range when the brush roll doesn't switch off. Depends on the kind of dust you're referring to whatever you pick up in that regard. I think I'll do a video test right now and see what the Panasonic and Sebo are like with rice.
Generally, I find the Sebo is okay for dust on hard floors - but give it the rice test and it can ping bits off - not all of the major heap but just slight bits of rice. The Panasonic has a wider mouth, edge to edge cleaning unlike Sebo's flywheel to the left hand side part and as you know, where the Sebo fights back is the front edges that pulls dust in due to its flat streamlined front plate.
At the back of my mind though, I'm trying to keep Richard's cost prices low. A second hand Sebo X1.1 or X4 will seldom be cheap and the Felix is a bit more expensive, even though it is better on hard floors with the brush roll on/off function.
In terms of the Panasonic - it isn't any worse than the Sebo for picking up dust - as you know where the Sebo fights back is with its wand release and hoister - but now the Panasonic MC UG522 has that design addition too with its quick draw tube and hose added together.
The Sebo would be a better bet though if Richard wants to swap his vacuums around plus the running costs would be cheaper on account of using the bigger capacity dust bags that are also usually cheaper to buy.
The Panasonic though has a 3 litre dust bag putting it directly against the 3.5 litre capacity bagged 100 watts more Felix.
Generally, I find the Sebo is okay for dust on hard floors - but give it the rice test and it can ping bits off - not all of the major heap but just slight bits of rice. The Panasonic has a wider mouth, edge to edge cleaning unlike Sebo's flywheel to the left hand side part and as you know, where the Sebo fights back is the front edges that pulls dust in due to its flat streamlined front plate.
At the back of my mind though, I'm trying to keep Richard's cost prices low. A second hand Sebo X1.1 or X4 will seldom be cheap and the Felix is a bit more expensive, even though it is better on hard floors with the brush roll on/off function.
In terms of the Panasonic - it isn't any worse than the Sebo for picking up dust - as you know where the Sebo fights back is with its wand release and hoister - but now the Panasonic MC UG522 has that design addition too with its quick draw tube and hose added together.
The Sebo would be a better bet though if Richard wants to swap his vacuums around plus the running costs would be cheaper on account of using the bigger capacity dust bags that are also usually cheaper to buy.
The Panasonic though has a 3 litre dust bag putting it directly against the 3.5 litre capacity bagged 100 watts more Felix.
richardc1983
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Well confused now lol
sebo_fan
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Im only going by your previous responses. If money was no object you could by any vacuum cleaner you desire.
If you're only prepared to pay £100 for a vacuum cleaner there's no way you'll get a Sebo X1.1 - unless by a stroke of luck there's someone on EBAY who is selling an X1.1 second hand.
If you favour bagged vacuums, its harder to choose - if it was a bagless upright you were after, Id say the Vax Mach Air Reach model is the best - comes with a long extension hose attachment and mini turbo tool as standard -plus a long cord. Brand new they have dropped in price considerably since the swivel Air2 and Air3 were released but I find those swivel ones to be more fragile than the traditional push forwards backwards Vax Mach Air - and all Mach Air uprights have a brush roll on/off button as standard. (Click the link to EBAY listing, £89-99)
If however you say you've used a Sebo X1 before and the suction didn't stop functioning with a turbo brush added to the hose, then look for a second hand Sebo X1 in combo grey (not the all in white model) and make sure it has at least been serviced or refurbished. There are a few on EBAY but only one or two that are the light grey bin and dark grey hood model.
Having just done the video tonight for the Panasonic versus Sebo, a few interesting details - both were successful at picking up loose tea and rice - but being the cheap plastic that it is, the Panasonic made quite a racket picking up the rice compared to the Sebo X4. The Sebo picked up most of the rice with one or two granules left over - the Panasonic left five bits of rice - but these are opposite vacuums in terms of price and quality, so naturally the SEBO was better. Will let you know once the video has uploaded.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vax-U90-M...358?pt=UK_Vacuum_Cleaners&hash=item3a7f4e3a66
If you're only prepared to pay £100 for a vacuum cleaner there's no way you'll get a Sebo X1.1 - unless by a stroke of luck there's someone on EBAY who is selling an X1.1 second hand.
If you favour bagged vacuums, its harder to choose - if it was a bagless upright you were after, Id say the Vax Mach Air Reach model is the best - comes with a long extension hose attachment and mini turbo tool as standard -plus a long cord. Brand new they have dropped in price considerably since the swivel Air2 and Air3 were released but I find those swivel ones to be more fragile than the traditional push forwards backwards Vax Mach Air - and all Mach Air uprights have a brush roll on/off button as standard. (Click the link to EBAY listing, £89-99)
If however you say you've used a Sebo X1 before and the suction didn't stop functioning with a turbo brush added to the hose, then look for a second hand Sebo X1 in combo grey (not the all in white model) and make sure it has at least been serviced or refurbished. There are a few on EBAY but only one or two that are the light grey bin and dark grey hood model.
Having just done the video tonight for the Panasonic versus Sebo, a few interesting details - both were successful at picking up loose tea and rice - but being the cheap plastic that it is, the Panasonic made quite a racket picking up the rice compared to the Sebo X4. The Sebo picked up most of the rice with one or two granules left over - the Panasonic left five bits of rice - but these are opposite vacuums in terms of price and quality, so naturally the SEBO was better. Will let you know once the video has uploaded.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vax-U90-M...358?pt=UK_Vacuum_Cleaners&hash=item3a7f4e3a66
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sebo_fan
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Video now appearing on You Tube.
sebo_fan
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Richard, what have you decided?
richardc1983
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Will get back to you soon haven't had chance to view yet as been busy with the snow and other house stuff.
Think will prob keep the Henry and sell the sanitaire. Get a turbo brush for floors for Henry.
Think will prob keep the Henry and sell the sanitaire. Get a turbo brush for floors for Henry.
sebo_fan
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Thats good. I used to have an extension hose that came with my Electrolux Powerlite - its 32mm sizing fits perfectly onto the end of Henry's hose, and so it used to be mega handy just to leave the hose and turbo brush out when it came to having to clean the stairs, particularly if you have a right angle staircase with a small landing at the top and then a couple more steps. Henrys hose used to reach the top of the first set of stairs but required the extension hose to go beyond.
Eventually had the flat rewired and put a proper set of plugs at the top of the stairs though.
Eventually had the flat rewired and put a proper set of plugs at the top of the stairs though.
richardc1983
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Ok just ordered Airo Brush off ebay for £16.99 - means I can use it on the stairs too as henry with extension reaches all way to the top easily.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Numatic-H...Vacuum_Cleaner_Bags_Parts&hash=item484f6274ad
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Numatic-H...Vacuum_Cleaner_Bags_Parts&hash=item484f6274ad
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Numatic-H...Vacuum_Cleaner_Bags_Parts&hash=item484f6274ad
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richardc1983
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Now I need to find someone who will buy the Sanitaire.
sebo_fan
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Phone the local schools - youd be surprised who'd be interested in a bagged upright - its how I got rid of my old Senior and its still being used, five years on from being sold off. Also post it on Gumtree as a commercial bagged upright vac.
richardc1983
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How much do you think it's a worth?
sebo_fan
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I couldn't possibly say. I mean, when it comes to a Senior vac, I was lucky enough to get £50 to £70 for it, but that was well over 5 years ago as I said and I gave the school plenty of bags to get them started. They use it in the staffroom and staff carpeted areas as the Dyson they had... well it seems to have ripped up sections of carpet lol.
Really depends on the condition and if you have spares. Obv by selling it a school and offering it with bags and belts means you can add a bit more to the price. Through gumtree there's bound to be a small hotel or B&B after a commercial upright, especially for carpeted areas. I've also sold a few SEBO X4's to B&Bs but that was visiting the local premises rather than putting them online.
Really depends on the condition and if you have spares. Obv by selling it a school and offering it with bags and belts means you can add a bit more to the price. Through gumtree there's bound to be a small hotel or B&B after a commercial upright, especially for carpeted areas. I've also sold a few SEBO X4's to B&Bs but that was visiting the local premises rather than putting them online.
