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is going bagless another manufacturer going that way . I am not a fan of bagless but most people seem to be .It looks to be based on the China built magnesium
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/02/03/oreck-vacuums-new-strategy/1887661/
 
I posted something about Oreck on another thread, but I see they are going bagless. I never understood bagless, as I feel you are just releasing the dust and particles back into the air around you when you dump the bin. Its pointless if your going to have to put the dirt in a bag anyway!

Oreck's future seems challenging, especially that they are screwing over their stores by putting the products in big box stores for half the price. I think they would be better off investing in building a quality made US canister and an upright model with on board tools, not Chinese made bagless machines. What's even more interesting is that Miele wanted to put its products in certain Oreck stores :-/
 
No.

So I guess the statement “What goes in the bag stays in the bag”. Doesn’t apply anymore, they will have to think of a new slogan.
 
Great article

I was at a Target yesterday & saw the Dyson model 39, 40, & 41, damn those things glowed! This article points out most people like modern, slickly designed stuff, or at least stuff they think is modern & slickly designed. Dyson is the runaway leader on this point, those vacs are simply amazing looking...save the arguments please, just saying for what they are trying to do they are doing it extremely well.
Clearly Shark wants to be the less drastic looking discount alternative, clean white stuff with cleaver features like an upright that turns into a canister with the caddy option. Now that they have a model with a decent size brush roll in the Rotator i think the Eurekalux's of the world are going to take a hit.

What vacuum industry news outlets are out there? Through the above article i found Homeworldbusiness.com , signed up for free & found some intersting articles.
 
The vast majority of the population has been led to believe that bagless is better, easier to clean and that since you hit a button over the trash that nothing is re-entering the room. So Oreck, under new leadership is wanting a piece of the pie. It doesn't matter if they think it is the "right" way to go to produce the best vacuum.... they think it is the "RIGHT" way to go to create more revenue.

They will come up with a new slogan and will attack with the bag and bagless vacuum and make a ton more money. It is about business at the end of the day. Some will stick by the guns and say no go to bagless others will either follow the bagless revolution or disappear.
 
Paper or plastic

Reminds of the grocery stores when they went from paper bags to plastic...I ask them what if you're bagsaxual?? Needless to say they were speachless...didn't how to to asnwer that one! LOL
 
Its all about increasing profits....

...called corporate greed, churn out more interesting crap, fooling the average Joe and Jane into believing its an incredible product to again, increase profits.
 
I have never understood the concept of bag less and why anyone would want to be bothered.

If you have allergies, why would you work so hard to clean the house and then have all of that concentrated dust back come right back in your face when you empty it...and I know some will argue their design doesn't do that...they are all nuts...it does!

Plus the cost of filters, cleaning the filters, ... bag it. get rid of it..

As much as I love Filterqueen and even Rainbow....the thought of emptying either one of them grosses me out...

Morgan
 
The majority of people never clean their bag less filters either so after a short there is more dirt on the outside of the machine than inside the container
 
There is a line in their where the ceo says something about "striking the balance of holding onto loyal customers who like older Oreck models while drawing in a younger generation of buyers."
Does anyone here remember back in about 2008-2009 when Oreck started re-designing their models? I remember looking at the new xl2000 and thinking it was pretty ugly and sorta like too basic. Then about a year ago they did go back to the traditional Oreck design except the logo on the bag was different.

I don't think Oreck will completely abandon bagged machines. That what the company was built on, but companies do have to change some to be able to stay afloat. Look at TTI for example; Yes they did move to China and introduce loads of bagless machines but at the same time they did keep some pre-TTI machines and they have continued to produce some bagged models.

However with all this said only time will tell. Hope everyone had a wonderful Monday:)
 
Oreck bagless

It does look kinda cool but i'd much rather have a bagged machine bagged machines almost always have better airflow compared to their bagless counterparts.
 
It`s not

"Corparate Greed" it`s called Capitalism what this country was founded on and something everyone should strive to acompolish .


You can`t be in business if you are not able to make money it`s kinda stupid to just produce products to give away .Who  would pay for the parts to make them and assemble vacuums ?


 


Yes we agree bagless is trash but most people are not like us , we know that bagged is the way to go or if bagless Rainbow or any other water vacuum .


 


I honestly thought people would have gotten over bagless by now because when they survey current/former bagless users they say they will never buy another bagless vacuum again . It`s history repeating itself and hopefully this bagless craze ends soon .


 


Dan
 
I believe vacuum cleaner consumers equate the bagless concept with "maintenance free" which of course is a major fallacy. However, the "ease of use" advertising rather implies this idea. As many of us here know, this is why so many bagless vacs go into the trash without their filters ever having been cleaned.

Without delving into stereotyping too deeply, I doubt the average female consumer would think cleaning a Hoover pleated element filter was easier or cleaner than changing a bag. No woman I know or ever have known likes dust flying around her face, eyes, hair and head.

As to the marketing designs that Dyson utilizes. Agreed, their strategy is exactly one that attracts certain consumers to their product. Without going into the cons of the product itself, there are many people who like that flashy, sci-fi kinda design aesthetic. Just as they might crave certain low-end consumer electronic items.

Well, capitalism is functioning pretty much as it always has. In the past, some companies made sturdy, attractive merchandise that would last and might cost more money to buy. Other companies made junky merchandise that sold for less money. I'm not sure there ever was such a thing as a corporate ethic that necessarily ensured value for money spent other than the consumer's own good eye. And consumers still have that choice. That big pile of junky Chinese-made vacs at Walmart for $49.95 are all going to find homes (however temporary); most purchasers of same wouldn't know the difference between a Faberge egg and a Reese's Easter peanut butter egg. Some people just don't have the eye for quality nor the brain power to think about it.

A good friend of mine is a radio collector. He's got several hundred spanning the period 1920-1970, approximately. As is the case with most collectors, he prefers quality pieces but he has some representive low end models as well and the differences between the two are obvious.
 
Many people are just not educated enough on what is quality, and what will last for your dollar. Its not just vacuums, its many other products out there which are produced cheaply, made to look good but eventually fall apart. We are still in a disposable society. (Made in China, buy it at Target, BBB, it breaks, return it and get another)

I believe in capitalism, not greed though...and I am sure Oreck profits, they just seem to be loosing focus, and quality is diminishing. Have you ever seen their air driven turbo, separate handheld canister.... not quality at all. The bagged uprights are the only decent products left at the moment.
 
Just my 2 cents

I, in all honesty lost alot of repect for Oreck when they chose to close their Mississippi plant after all the fanfare about rebuilding it and providing shelter for the employees immediately following Katrina. In 2006, their infomercial against bagless and David Oreck saying "what you can't see can hurt you" no longer applies. I knew things were on a downward spiral when Oreck acquired the ill-fated Halo vacuum and rebadged it as their own. Once again, corporate greed won out and I'm sure everything Oreck manufactures will be outsourced overseas in the not too distant future. Maybe TTI will suck them up too. Really a shame....

- Hershel
 
Hershel

I agree but it seems that certain corporations want to take the easy way out and produce overseas. Cheaper costs, but I don't think they really weight the fact that quality can go down which may or may not affect sales.
 
I'm a very happy Oreck owner, and my grandmother has had an Oreck for the past twenty years which she bought as a factory refurb and still works. I think Oreck will continue to build their traditional products here in the states, models like the Graphite, and Commercial series. But, I do think the other models, like the Magenesium Series and VersaVac both are going to be overseas made. And, I'll take bagged over bagless anyday.
 
I've never owned an Oreck but I used them when I worked at a hotel. It worked pretty well but I wasn't bowled over by it. It wasn't really lightweight either as I remember it. I've known a few owners, including one who described it as a joke and a $500 dustbuster. The suction power of them never impressed me either. I wonder if it will be a mistake in the long run because I'm sure I read somewhere that bagless sales had peaked and was in (slight) decline. A lot of experts, in vacuum stores and on the internet, are spreading the word about the superiority of bagged. I'd rather change a bag any day that empty a bin.
 


I have been seeing the new oreck "hybrid" vacuum in the store lately. They've had it at Meijer (Midwest competitor to Wal-Mart) for months now. They look and feel like total pieces of crap. Admittedly, though, I always thought the XL was crap just because of the weight and what I thought was cheap cheap feeling materials. I haven't used one, but boy it looks cheap, kinda like they contracted EuroPro to build it for them. I sure hope this doesn't turn out to be another Shark...
 
I think there is a missunderstanding.

After re-reading my last post, I apparently was ineffective in conveying that this was my first impression of Orecks before I started doing anything with vacuum cleaners. That was simply my first thoughts when I saw one several years ago. I now know, and have for some time, that these are rather high quality machines that are everything they are billed to be. I apologize for any confusion this might have caused, I certainly don't believe US built Orecks to be poor quality vacuums at all. Sorry.
 
Because Oreck designed and promoted his earliest machines for hotel use many people judged them based on that. The early ones were designed for low pile carpets in motels/hotels. Many people never thought there were good enough for residential high pile carpeting, and indeed they weren't. I do think the new ones are improved for higher piles. Last time I used one was in about 2000 in one of my first jobs at a hotel. It was a red machine with a gray bag. It was effective for low pile carpets but it would have failed at household carpet.
 


I still must not be saying this correctly. Before I knew anything about vacuum cleaners, I used to think they were cheap. Having owned several and obviously used them often, I now know they quality machines. That is what I was trying to say the first time. I never meant to imply that American made Oreck's were low quality. It was a typo. I apologize for any confusion. I can say that I have used the Magnesium quite a bit, and it was rubbish, awful. Knowing that the new hybrid, whatever they call it, is also built in China and based on the Magneseum is disconcerting.
 

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