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The Fantoms yes. I loved mine. Tom Gasko has every single model. I have a dyson and I love it. Like you see above you can have dyson send you a email. My uncle brougth me his animal to give it a tune up. He never cleaned the filter and it had alot of power left. I love the new dc17. Wait till you see the new models. You wont know what coming. :-)
 
The problem is that most people do not read the instruction manuals so they would not know that they car sign up. Unfortunately Dyson's are mostly sold in education free environments. All of my customers that have had problems and dislike the Dyson just think it's a typical vacuum and just start using it. It's amazing to me how many can quote the commercial "No filter to replace...ever" and think that it has no filters at all and are completely surprised when I show them the filter.
 
Mine is not a commentary on the quality of a Dyson just the expectations of the average customer who spends the money on one. You can't blame Dyson for hitting the mass market with the product but I think it would be best suited in a vacuum store where The customer can be educated on the product. I think if you are going to ask a person to spend that much on a vacuum you owe it to them to educate them. I wouldn't mind selling it in my store. At least I could try and get them to bring it in once a year for a free check up.
 
I don't think anyone can argue this fact - Dyson is a complicated piece of machinery. Moreso than it needs to be. Oreck attacks this fact in some of their advertising, and rightly so. They do have belts that go bad, and the clutch mechanism that drives the brushroll in the DC07 is a veritable nightmare! I can't comment on the quality or performance of the Miele S7. In all honesty, I have never seen one nor do I know if it is available in the United States or not. I'm really not interested in Miele vacuums. I'm not saying Oreck is the be-all to end-all of vacuums, what I am saying is most people will prefer the convenience of changing a bag rather than washing filters. Oh sure, they'll empty the dust bin, they won't clean the seals properly when replacing it, and in no time at all, the machine will be covered with dust. It would still seem to me as if we're paying double or triple here in the states for the same machine you can get in the U.K. James Dyson should be ashamed of himself for doing that!
 
Wow. This thread got a little heated. I don't think there is anything wrong with someone calling a machine junk. It is just their opinion, and it is about a machine, not a person on this forum.

I thought that the Oreck/Halo merger was going to result in a machine that looked like an Oreck, but that just had the UV light underneath. I was a LITTLE shocked to see that it's still a "Halo", but just in a different color. Halo must have had lots of machines in stock to unload before the merger. It doesn't surprise me though... Good ol' Dave always uses other designs and calls them his own... he's not really invented anything.

Now that I've had my Oreck for over a month, I think I can comment on it. My Oreck is pretty loud, and not very powerful. It does pick up better since I bought a new brushroll for it (and an aftermarket brushroll was better quality than an original... the belt pulley was metal instead of plastic). My Oreck actually has a CHANGE in motor pitch as the motor bogs down when I go over surface litter (like cat litter). I watched the Oreck demo on HSN.COM and noticed the same thing! It takes more than one pass to pick up powder on very flat pile carpet. I enjoy having it as a member of my collection, but I would not use it as a daily driver or expect stellar performance from it.

I've had my Dyson DC14 since last May. I bought a used machine, and even though that model is my least favorite Dyson (I'd even prefer a DC07), it seems to perform OK. Of course it took me a month to get rid of the dog smell, but I only paid 100 bucks for it used... I wouldn't pay a new price for one (unless they ever make that self-propelled I've heard rumors about, then I might just "need" it). My does have a problem with the clutch system... every now and then it will click when I'm using it. It doesn't seem to affect performance though... just annoying sound. If the belt ever goes, I will not fix the clutch. I will just throw the machine in the garbage and get a different model. As a collector, I don't like bagless because there's no bag to inflate or puff out. Plus it's messy. However, if I were going to have any bagless, Dyson would be the one. So much better than the machines with the filters inside. Easy to use tools and decent suction as well. Sometimes, I like seeing what was in the floor, and for that I'll use the Dyson. What I don't understand is why so many people actually hate Dyson. It's not perfect, but really, there are a LOT worse choices in the vacuum world... especially bagless.
 
I agree with the person who said (original) Fantoms were better than Dyson. They looked better, cleaned better, and were simpler to use. The attachments were dismal and the hose suction was almost non-existent, yet still, they picked up better than a Dyson. Must be the brush roll.

Ohio_tuec, I also wasn't interested in Miele vacuums until I found a great deal on mine. Now I get warm fuzzy feelings in my vacuum heart just thinking about it. It's a joy to use, performs excellent, and is quite attractive. All my machines are on display in the living room except my Miele. It's in the bedroom... it's my baby and it's always with me. Not to mention the fact that my one bedroom apartment is pretty small, and I ran out of room in the living room for more cleaners! LOL
 
Ohio_tuec..

..I agree with you COMPLETELY about Dyson. I don't like them at all. Loud, bulky, cheap construction and a lousy brush roll and a mess to empty and wash out. My relatives in the states came over not so long ago and were amazed that my aunt over here has a Dyson as they're so expensive in the states. My aunt's reaction was "Oh i only paid about £150 for it" - so yes, you're getting ripped off. I saw reconditioned DC07's on Leeds Market today for £15. What I disagree with you on, is your praise of Oreck and the way have completely brushed off Miele. Oreck and Dyson for me come into the same category of "vacuums I will never use in my house". You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Oreck is a shit vacuum and praising the customer service of the company. Yes, Oreck make great sweepers, but that's all. You said that the Dyson brush roll is too aggressive and will rip up the carpet fibres. Well an Oreck will leave behind all that deep-down and trodden in grit that over time will shred the carpet fibres anyway because it has ABYSMAL suction power - so in the end, what difference does it make?

As for the blasphemy of not being interested in Miele - well I just have to laugh that you'd rather use an Oreck over the best canister vacuums on the market today. I own 2 Miele cylinders and they are both fantastic! Better than ANY cylinder on the market today - reliable, powerful, quiet and easy to empty. As for the S7's, I still can't decided weather or not I prefer Sebo uprights. I don't own an S7 but have tested one in store and it was amazing but it's bloody heavy! The Sebo does an equally good job and is much lighter but it's not as quiet and the Miele has the fantastic swivel neck that makes it so much easier to use.
 
Miele..

I love my Miele Capricorn...a wonderful vacuum...great air movement, quiet. My only complaint would be the hose is about a foot to short. I tend not to use is as a daily cleaner because of that. It feels like the older Luxes, the hose had that cuff on the end that made it stiff and bulky...feeling like you were always pulling the canister with you. The newer vinyl hoses eliminate that problem..and I beleive they are the same length, they just don't have the cuff.

The filtration on the Miele is awesome...never any signs of dust even in the bag chamber itself. Now, if they would make a good dusting brush, lengthen the hose...I would be happy.

My point to all of this is, I like them all. Some may feel like junk, look like junk...but in the overall picture play a part in what this club is all about - Preserving the History of the Vacuum Cleaner.
 
Ohio_Tuec, what confuses me is that you got upset at people calling Oreck junk, but instead of defending it, you just lashed out at another brand and called that junk instead!

Vacuumfreeeke made the very valid point, which echos what Fred Stachnick and I agreed on on a previous thread: 'What I don't understand is why so many people actually hate Dyson. It's not perfect, but really, there are a LOT worse choices in the vacuum world... especially bagless.' I couldn't agree more!

Before Dyson came along, vacuum technology had stagnated; the same old machines, jazzed up with flashing LEDs and occasional facelifts, but really nothing new, or particularly innovative. Now the vacuum market is seeing the kind of product development it's lacked since the 1920s, with Hoover and Air-Way slugging it out! It's an exciting time, and I can't see why some people resent it so much. Is it just that they're scared to move away from what they know?
 
Jack...

..the reason I dislike Dyson is not based on it's performance. In terms of what it does - it's a good vacuum. It's everything else I don't like. It's cheaply made and in my experience, things tend to snap off or drop off or crack and break and they don't last that long at all. For what you pay for them, I would expect them to last longer. I also HATE emptying bagless vacuums. Those Oreck infomercial's make me laugh when they show the woman emptying the dust into the kitchen bin and it blowing everywhere - who in there right mind would empty it in the kitchen? Take it outside you idiot! But they get the point across. The dust blows everywhere when you empty them - usually all over the person doing the emptying. I also hold them fully responsible for this mad bagless craze which means that formerly respected companies such as Hoover and Electrolux are now churning out badly designed, badly performing cheap piles of crap that rely too much on the filters which are coming in direct contact with the dust and clogging and then the machine overheats and cuts out because the motor is struggling too much which means it takes you about 3 hours to vacuum the house in one go. Say what you want about vacuums before the Dyson - but the Turbopower's, Turbomasters, Lux 500/600 & contour series and the Panasonic 40 and 50 series were all GOOD vacuums that lasted. I know people still using there TP's and 500's and Juniors, TP Juniors and MCE-40's on a daily basis and it's been 11 years since the last TP, 16 years (ish) since the 40 series and 22 years since the last Junior was made. You won't get 22 years out of a Dyson. If Dyson were more sturdy and built to last, then I would like them more. But it's bagless in general I don't like.
 
Chris, I'd rather have a cleaner which does an excellent job for 5 years than one which does a mediocre job for 20.

When you say they're cheaply made - which Dyson models do you own? What's the most recent one? Have you owned it since new? Do you use it regularly in your home? What are you basing your judgement on?

Remember, too, that Dyson machines are totally covered by their 5-year guarantee.

Also, no one forced Hoover and Electrolux to churn out Chinese-made, cheap rip-offs of Dyson technology. They could have championed the bag, like Miele and Sebo do, and continued to make good quality, bagged cleaners. But they didn't, they gave in, which is as good as admitting defeat in the eyes of the public. In effect, it's saying 'We were wrong, Dyson was right. Our cleaners are inferior to theirs, so we've been forced to copy their designs.' They made some very poor decisions, and they've been suffering ever since.

Hoover UK only offer 2 bagged models in their entire range! Only the new Airvolution range come close to rivalling the efficiency of the Dyson cyclonic system.
 
Jack,

My grandparents have had 3 Dysons - a DC01, DC04 and DC15 (the newest of which is by far the most unsturdy vacuum I have ever used) in the space of 10 years. My other half has a DC07 all floors that's on the way out. My best friends parents have a DC14. I have used all of these and not been impressed.

Also, in my previous job, we had a ConstantMax that broke and was later replaced with A new DC07 that I used from new, maintained it well and although the suction was good, it didn't last very long at all and after a while, the tools started falling off when in use, the catch that holds the handle on broke and the belt snapped. After about 6 months, it burnt out and we replaced it with a Sebo BS36. £200 is a lot of money. If I pay £200, I expect to get something that is going to last longer than 6 months.
 
Jack you made a excellent point. As you said I would much more want a cleaner that cleans excellent for 5 years then spend more and get a bad cleaner for 20 years. We bought our Dyson brand new. We bought our DC07 from Sears a year after they arrived here. Well in stores at least. Tom Gasko was the first one to carry there machines. Anyways, without James Dyson we wouldnt have a bagless vacuum, capture carpet cleaning powder, Cyclonic technology, Root 8 cyclones, super vacuum stretch hose, and many other advanced. Oh the best the First handheld that doesnt clog and never loses suction.

In my expirence with Oreck I have found that they are hard to push on Cut/plush pile carpeting. My Great Great aunt had 2 orecks. We took it to the Oreck store to get a new brushroll installed. That brushroll lasted 1 year. We went and bought a Generic one from Steel City vac supply and now its pretty easy to push. My Aunt bought a Riccar Supralite RSL4 from Tom and its wonderfull. Its so easy to glide over the carpet. Supplies for ORecks are really exspensive its alot of money for there bags and there not that big. Riccar has the Hepa Cloth bags and it last and last. Best part made in the USA. Made in St James MO. I love the Riccar and so does my aunt. I like them much more then the Oreck. Or as some people call them the AWFULL-WRECK. :-)
 
The reason I attack Dyson so vehemently is I AM SICK AND TIRED of people on this forum bashing the Oreck unjustly! It's not gonna be a superperformer on every type of carpet. In some mind's eye it's not a superperformer at all. It does not have powerful suction. It doesn't need to - just enough to draw the dirt into the cleaner after the agitator loosens it. It's not meant to be used with tools - that's why they give you the Buster B. Again, I can't comment on the Riccar because it again is a machine I know nothing about. The Dyson is not without flaws, and we need to spend more time focusing on that than bashing a machine who's design has been around for some 40+ years. RCA/Whirlpool's original design was not rejected, they simply chose to downsize their vacuum cleaner division and David Oreck bought it. To me, the Miele canister is another overpriced brand in this country, and I would rather have open heart surgery than have to work on one. It too is a very complicated machine. I'm not bashing them in the least, I'm just not interested in owning one. If people on this site could just say that Oreck is not their cup of tea and leave it at that, I would be fine, but to blatantly call it "junk" when most of you have never even owned a brand new one is unjust. I will defend Oreck to the death!
 
'The reason I attack Dyson so vehemently is I AM SICK AND TIRED of people on this forum bashing the Oreck unjustly!'

I still don't understand your logic here! How does attacking Dyson demonstrate to me that I'm wrong in my opinion of the Oreck?
 
Simple....

My point is that if vacuums are going to be "bashed" here, why should Oreck be the only one.
 
In all honesty

Every machine has it flaws. I just feel on this forum Oreck comes under attack more often than any other brand. To me, Dyson is the most flawed of the "new" vacuum cleaner lineup, hence that is one I choose to break my lances against.
 
Lets name the bastard models from each company!!!

Thermax AF1............crap
Filter Queen Optima....expensive crap
Miele Art.....ewwww colorful crap
Hoover Z....weird looking crap
Electrolux Super J......self distructive crap
Kirty Tradition........"why won't this turn on" crap
Regina Housekeeper....can't pick up crap
Oreck.....very loud bowling ball picking up crap

ok.........me and Evan (Kirbykid1) came up with those......ad to the list.....
 
OK, Children....

I want you to go to your respective corners and sit and think about how lovely the world and everything in it is. No more sugar for ANY of you. Oreck, Dyson, Hoover, Regina, Fantom, Compact, Air-Way, Electrolux, Kirby, Meile, Sebo, Riccar, Eureka, Filter Queen. Say these names 50 times. Take some deep breaths...in through the nose, out through the mouth. Think of Marilyn a few dozen times.

OK?...now, don't you feel better??

I do like Dirtfinder1's list, though....
 
Rejected

Let me re-phrase. It was not rejected. As stated on an information website the design was "abandoned"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Oreck
Start reading at Oreck Corporation, line 5

Also if you listen in the ads David Oreck states "his" whatever. Such as his new Oreck Halo vacuum. He is only a spokesman for the company at this time. Oreck is owned by Tom Oreck and a group of corporate investors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Oreck
 
you are too funny

You are toooo funny, Dirtfinder. Has anyone here ever try a Silver King vacuum? I got mine from an estate sale. Most powerfull vacuum I've ever owned.....Bill in Az.....
 
My simple point is, why does anything NEED to be 'bashed'?! Why are people trapped in the mentality that it's impossible to discuss the merits of item (a), without putting down item (b)?

To my mind, that just indicates that the people in favour of item (a) really don't have many positives on their side, and can't 'sell' it on its own merits. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case, but that's the way it looks.

As for my opinion of the Oreck, I haven't actually shared it in this thread! All I've done is questioned the value-for-money customers, particularly in the UK, are getting, in comparison with the kind of machines you can buy from other brands for much less.

And I think Dyson takes WAAAAAY more abuse on this forum than anything else. If I took personal offence every time someone said something negative about Dyson, I'd end up living like Grusinskaya in 'Grand Hotel', secluded and perpetually on the verge of tears!
 
Jack

Hi, Jack. Don't feel bad. After all, they're still just vacuums. In my TOTALLY inflated opinion, the only bad vacuum is NO vacuum... Take care and happy HOOVERING!!!!!....Bill in Az....
 
Dyson & Oreck

There's been so much heated discussion about these two brands that I'm now rather curious. I've never owned nor used either of these brands. Now, I feel compelled to check them out!

Bill
 
well I have tried an oreck and I have tried a dyson. oreck is really loud but seems to get the floors clean. Dyson I have tried the canister and the DC07 I find that the canister has a lot more power than the dc07. the only thing that Ido not like about the DC07 is that it is really bulky. other than that both oreck and Dyson are pretty good machines in my opinion
 

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