alexhoovers94
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Brining it to some sort of a positive, here is one of my latest acquisitions
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sptyks
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Kirby brushroll
The new Kirby's are now shipping with a much stiffer brushroll which grooms the carpet very well. It really raises the nap very nicely.
The nice thing is that this new brusroll will fit all Kirby's from the G5 to the Sentria II.
The new Kirby's are now shipping with a much stiffer brushroll which grooms the carpet very well. It really raises the nap very nicely.
The nice thing is that this new brusroll will fit all Kirby's from the G5 to the Sentria II.
turbo500
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Alex, don't you think you'd be better off posting a new thread about that?
alexhoovers94
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Oh I will be doing Chris that was just a brief glimpse. I will make a thread when it is all cleaned up 
turbo500
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Nice one, I've got some catalogues and brochures to post for it when you do
Just another question, sorry but How does the Sebo X4 brushroll/brushbar do so well if its only stiff bristles? Like does it beat the carpet? I am sure the S7 does, but I just don't get it. The DC25 Dyson ball for example, has very stiff bristles, but am not sure? somebody please let me know.
turbo500
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Tayyab, the Sebo does indeed beat the carpet, as does any upright with a decent brushroll. As the stiff bristles sweep through the carpet, it vibrates the carpet fibres, which loosens embedded dirt and grit to the surface. This is then swept into the suction path and sucked into the bag.
The Miele S7 has stronger hose suction and a full stair stretch hose, whereas the X4 requires the extra hose to be added to do the full stairs. Both the x4 and S7 are really great cleaners, but a few things to bear in mind:
- the S7 is VERY large. It was designed for the US market so it's very wide and quite large to maneuver around. It's also very heavy, weighing in at 9.5kg vs the 7.4kg of the X4.
- the x4 is very easy to repair. Because Sebo were designed to be easily repaired by the user, spares are cheap and easy to replace
- Sebo consumables (bags, filters etc) are cheaper than Miele
A friend of mine who runs a repair shop won't stock the s7 as it's such a faff to repair when they go wrong.
Why not pop down to your local John Lewis or Currys and try them both out.
The Miele S7 has stronger hose suction and a full stair stretch hose, whereas the X4 requires the extra hose to be added to do the full stairs. Both the x4 and S7 are really great cleaners, but a few things to bear in mind:
- the S7 is VERY large. It was designed for the US market so it's very wide and quite large to maneuver around. It's also very heavy, weighing in at 9.5kg vs the 7.4kg of the X4.
- the x4 is very easy to repair. Because Sebo were designed to be easily repaired by the user, spares are cheap and easy to replace
- Sebo consumables (bags, filters etc) are cheaper than Miele
A friend of mine who runs a repair shop won't stock the s7 as it's such a faff to repair when they go wrong.
Why not pop down to your local John Lewis or Currys and try them both out.
durango159
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I worked in a hotel that all Sebo X series machines. Carpets always looked disgraceful!! Tons of built up around the edges and main rugs weren't even that great looking. I had my fair chance of using several of them at different points checking bags and ensuring brush rolls were clean too. I wasn't happy with performance of any.
At another collectors house about a year ago, he had a Sebo Navy blue with yellow, auto height adjuster. Automatic height adjuster takes a very long time to adjust between surfaces!! The 4 of us present were not happy with air flow from hose or the agitator. Out of about 10- 15 machines that we played with that night, the Sebo groomed the carpet the worst!!!
From what it sounds like the UK does not have access to Tacony machines Riccar or Simplicity line!! The Riccar/ Simplicity Tandem Air Machines are extremely durable, awesome agitation and extreme air flow. Compared to what the Sebo picked up, you'd be looking at probably 1.5 full bags with the Tacony!!
Kirbys don't work for me. I've tried several including: several G4's, Ultimate G Diamond, G6 2000 special, Sentria and Sentria II. Grooming is unimpressive to me. Extremely awkward manuevering, awkward self propel system. Long hose for attachments but the hose broke twice trying to use it with wands to clean bare floors and I had to find a generic bare floor brush to use, cause I thought the Kirby ones were awful. In Filter Queen demos, I've found some Kirby owners that like them but many Kirby owners that do not like them. The Kirby sales tactics are very harsh and once the paperwork is signed then the visualizer is removed, the paperbag and cloth bag setup is installed making a clogging air polluter. Tons of dust escapes those cloth bags. Find a bright light like one used by Kirby, Filter Queen, Rainbow and others with a light bright enough to see dust in the air. Cloth bags should be able to remove dirt that the human eye can't see, however evidence shows they spew out a great amount of visible dirt!!!!
At another collectors house about a year ago, he had a Sebo Navy blue with yellow, auto height adjuster. Automatic height adjuster takes a very long time to adjust between surfaces!! The 4 of us present were not happy with air flow from hose or the agitator. Out of about 10- 15 machines that we played with that night, the Sebo groomed the carpet the worst!!!
From what it sounds like the UK does not have access to Tacony machines Riccar or Simplicity line!! The Riccar/ Simplicity Tandem Air Machines are extremely durable, awesome agitation and extreme air flow. Compared to what the Sebo picked up, you'd be looking at probably 1.5 full bags with the Tacony!!
Kirbys don't work for me. I've tried several including: several G4's, Ultimate G Diamond, G6 2000 special, Sentria and Sentria II. Grooming is unimpressive to me. Extremely awkward manuevering, awkward self propel system. Long hose for attachments but the hose broke twice trying to use it with wands to clean bare floors and I had to find a generic bare floor brush to use, cause I thought the Kirby ones were awful. In Filter Queen demos, I've found some Kirby owners that like them but many Kirby owners that do not like them. The Kirby sales tactics are very harsh and once the paperwork is signed then the visualizer is removed, the paperbag and cloth bag setup is installed making a clogging air polluter. Tons of dust escapes those cloth bags. Find a bright light like one used by Kirby, Filter Queen, Rainbow and others with a light bright enough to see dust in the air. Cloth bags should be able to remove dirt that the human eye can't see, however evidence shows they spew out a great amount of visible dirt!!!!
I can't get over how much dust the Sebo picked up in Reply #4. An Ultimate G twice a year should have kept the carpet clean enough for the Panasonic to easily maintain. That is of course if both machines were properly maintained. How large is the airpath on these X-series? I know they have great brushrolls but that can only go so far.
electroluxxxx
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Nathaniel
the air path at the hose inlet is about an inch to an inch and a half around. not too bad. the machines do have a great brushroll and as far as people downing the X4 series I find it hilarious! I have 2 and the cleaning company I worked for had nearly 500 of them cleaning accounts on a daily basis. beat to hell most of them were but they keep on going with out even batting an eye. as far as suction goes I have it measured at 80 on my waterlift meter and that is sealed at the hose which is good for a machine of this nature. The airflow and filtration are also awesome. Parwaz786 to answer your question, along with turbo 500's response I have to agree with him on the brushroll it indeed does a great job but rob also has a point when he says it does take a few secs to get to proper height. all in all I LOVE my sebo!
the air path at the hose inlet is about an inch to an inch and a half around. not too bad. the machines do have a great brushroll and as far as people downing the X4 series I find it hilarious! I have 2 and the cleaning company I worked for had nearly 500 of them cleaning accounts on a daily basis. beat to hell most of them were but they keep on going with out even batting an eye. as far as suction goes I have it measured at 80 on my waterlift meter and that is sealed at the hose which is good for a machine of this nature. The airflow and filtration are also awesome. Parwaz786 to answer your question, along with turbo 500's response I have to agree with him on the brushroll it indeed does a great job but rob also has a point when he says it does take a few secs to get to proper height. all in all I LOVE my sebo!
sebo_fan
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oh deer, Such a tradgerdy if they hadn't
Alex, until you start living OUTSIDE of your parents home where YOU have to pay the bills, PAY for carpets and PAY for everything in your life, I suggest you keep your sarcastic and rude responses back.
It is interesting to hear what some other U.S members have said about the SEBO X4 and associated models - yet the U.S get the 12/13 manual height adjustment G2 that Hoover's Insight is a copy of - it would be good to hear if ANYONE OWNS A G2 to put forward their views of the height adjuster not going low or high enough.
On the basis that SEBO offer that model in the U.S as well, it would be a fairer contest if you are going to go down that route comparing like with like.
However, as Chris's post has noted, the Panasonic has auto height adjustment and the SEBO has that electronic, more precise control - the X1.1 has obviously picked up a lot more dust than what the Panasonic has.
In regards to airflow/channel design, SEBO's channel is obviously larger to accomodate the larger sizing tools and the whole system is sealed before it gets to the dust bag and microfilter. However, the design is easy to work out if you haven't seen the airflow diagram that the company have.
Also, to those who moan about the SEBO's hard floor cleaning "problems" I've never had a problem personally. I find it deeply ironic that given Hoover's agitator has a far more destructive nature on hard floors when put down and when set on a hard floor setting, lifts the brush roll off the floor and dirt doesn't get picked up first time. Fine if you have all the time in the world to deal with that.
Alex, until you start living OUTSIDE of your parents home where YOU have to pay the bills, PAY for carpets and PAY for everything in your life, I suggest you keep your sarcastic and rude responses back.
It is interesting to hear what some other U.S members have said about the SEBO X4 and associated models - yet the U.S get the 12/13 manual height adjustment G2 that Hoover's Insight is a copy of - it would be good to hear if ANYONE OWNS A G2 to put forward their views of the height adjuster not going low or high enough.
On the basis that SEBO offer that model in the U.S as well, it would be a fairer contest if you are going to go down that route comparing like with like.
However, as Chris's post has noted, the Panasonic has auto height adjustment and the SEBO has that electronic, more precise control - the X1.1 has obviously picked up a lot more dust than what the Panasonic has.
In regards to airflow/channel design, SEBO's channel is obviously larger to accomodate the larger sizing tools and the whole system is sealed before it gets to the dust bag and microfilter. However, the design is easy to work out if you haven't seen the airflow diagram that the company have.
Also, to those who moan about the SEBO's hard floor cleaning "problems" I've never had a problem personally. I find it deeply ironic that given Hoover's agitator has a far more destructive nature on hard floors when put down and when set on a hard floor setting, lifts the brush roll off the floor and dirt doesn't get picked up first time. Fine if you have all the time in the world to deal with that.
alexhoovers94
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Oh Ryan, shut up! Yes that was rude but there was no need to start the fire again!!!
madaboutsebo
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Just to add into the mix about SEBO deep cleaning or not!! I know this is more about the SEBO X but thought I just comment anyway. I have short to medium pile carpet so the pile is 5 to 6 mm thick. I have a SEBO Felix which I set the height control to 3 which is one below the highest 4 and it grooms and lifts the carpet pile fine! I could set it to the lower setting 2 but I choose to use 3. I have been known to use 4 but the light flicks on and off to tell you the height is not set right!
One thing I don't get and from personal experience what all this the cleaner head has to hug and stick to the floor in particular carpet to clean these days. Surely that restricts airflow and hinders the ability to push the vacuum over the carpet. Fine if the carpet is new and the pile it's trodden down air will flow through the fibres drawing in the dirt into the vacuum. Where as if you have short pile and trodden down and some cases worn carpet pile air can not flow through the fibres as well. So restricting the airflow into the vacuum hence sticking to the floor. That's what I like about the SEBO and Miele Uprights they don't stick to the carpet; it's as if the carpet is lifted up slightly to the cleaner head to clean and agitate the fibres of the carpet. Just a thought and an opinion!!
One thing I don't get and from personal experience what all this the cleaner head has to hug and stick to the floor in particular carpet to clean these days. Surely that restricts airflow and hinders the ability to push the vacuum over the carpet. Fine if the carpet is new and the pile it's trodden down air will flow through the fibres drawing in the dirt into the vacuum. Where as if you have short pile and trodden down and some cases worn carpet pile air can not flow through the fibres as well. So restricting the airflow into the vacuum hence sticking to the floor. That's what I like about the SEBO and Miele Uprights they don't stick to the carpet; it's as if the carpet is lifted up slightly to the cleaner head to clean and agitate the fibres of the carpet. Just a thought and an opinion!!
alexhoovers94
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I really liked the Felix and although heavy, I thought it was very powerful on the hose and at the head and I liked the way it cleaned, it really clung to the carpet and really felt like it was doing a good job, which it was and I don't have that with the x series, the x series has Hoover Senior hose suction in comparison to the Felix.
The only thing that stops me liking the Felix is that it blows out far to much hot air and I don't like the way the neck swivels but apart from that I think its great.
I also liked the D4 Premium as it was powerful and nice to use but it was to big and clunky to tug around. A bit like a modern day Sensotronic!!
The only thing that stops me liking the Felix is that it blows out far to much hot air and I don't like the way the neck swivels but apart from that I think its great.
I also liked the D4 Premium as it was powerful and nice to use but it was to big and clunky to tug around. A bit like a modern day Sensotronic!!
madaboutsebo
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The Felix does clean very well I'm impressed with it. I had the Felix over the X at the time I brought it although I do like the X as well. You do get some hot air from the exhaust but I only notice it when cleaning the stairs if I don't use the extension hose and the machine is next to me. I don't notice when vacuuming floors so much. Depends how high you have the power on I only have it on half to three quarters especially since using the synthetic bags.
