Not sure I trust this EU labelling system....

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oliveoiltinfoil

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Lots of us have talked about this EU energy labelling thing for vacuum cleaners sold within the EU and whether we agree with them or not. I just can't help feeling that currently, the labelling system is very much flawed.

Lots of people on here have said this already. Mr Dyson doesn't like it because the energy labels do not take into account the "environmental impact bags have, the can not be recycled" and so on, which, is largely BS. Sorry Dyson, I love my DC41 MK2 but that is what's called making a mountain out of an ant hill.

The label rating does not make sense, in terms of measuring the carpet, hard floor and emissions performance. How can a VAX upright have a rating two steps higher for carpet performance, than a Miele S7 which is regarded as being one of the best vacuums for deep down cleaning? I have a Vax ECO air, which was ratted A across the bored, but I have found it doesn't deep clean as well as my felix or the S7 I had, although it has incredible suction as the cleaner head and stiff, full bristles, they are too short. I put the felix above the miele for carpet cleaning anyway, but the vax bunny hops over thick pilled carpeting.

The felix also gets B rating for carpet performance and C for hard floors.

Has anyone told us who conducts these tests? As far as I know, it is the manufacturer's themselves. If that is the case, then this makes much more sense. I know Bosch and Dyson are in a tiff over Dyson claiming his machines pick up better than when Bosch tested them and said otherwise. It could turn out that some manufacturers are being more honest than others. Either Miele and SEBO are being harsh on themselves and Vax and Dyson are being deliberately biased which I can believe, or there is something seriously off with the new ECO range of German vacuum cleaners.

To a lot of us, this will not be a big deal, as we don't need someone else to tell for us that one vacuum picks up better than another, but on the face of it and for the average consumer, this is a different matter.

Lots to discuss here, so go ahead with your opinions and thoughts. I pick up my Felix Vogue eco tomorrow (having it delivered because couldn't be asked to drive 10 mile to get it ahaha .) I shall post a thread shortly.
 
The new EU labeling is a total nonsense!

If you look at the Felix pet for instance it has an A rating for filtration the other Felix models have a C rating yet the all have the same exhaust filter. The Dyson having an A rating for carpet hard floor and filtration I can believe. But the Miele S7 having a C rating I'm very surprised by. So until the is an accurate independent standardised test I would take them with a pinch of salt.
 
A lot of the ratings are utterly ridiculous.


 


For example, a Vax upright with no brushroll off function got a higher rating for hard floor cleaning than a straight suction Henry. An S-Class Sebo got a lower emissions rating that an air-clean Miele.

The problem with the ratings is that they're carried out by the manufacturer to guidelines published by Brussels. Whilst I agree with the legislation and that vacuum motor power needed to be brought down, and also I agree with a ratings systems and a minimum requirement for performance to be able to sell it, I don't agree with the way that the tests are being carried out. All vacuums should be tested in the same place, using the same floortypes and the same variables. There's too much inconsistency in the testing.
 
Also the Miele C3 with electric power nozzle (£600 one) also gets a C rating on carpet. I don't get it :-/
 
I would also like to demonstrate that limiting vacuums to 1600w is enough and we don't want the further limit of 900w not that it would do any good :-(
 
limiting vacuums to 1600w is enough

I've always thought 900w is a ridiculous number. I'd say 1000w or 1200w is more realistic and both are nice, even numbers. 900w just seems completely random, although it's entirely possible to generate high suction power with under 900w as the new Numatic vacuums are proving.
 
1200 would be tolerable. Talking about Numatic the Pro VAC has some of the highest filtration I've seen on a vacuum cleaner removing 99.9997% of particles down to 0.3 microns and is used in critical situations yet even this cleaner has a C rating for emissions!
 
1200 would be tolerable

1200 is MORE than enough. Your beloved Dyson DC41mk2 is only 700w and the new Henry's are 580w. Why does a vacuum need to use more than that if it's entirely possible to get high performance with a lower wattage motor? Lowering the wattage also results in motors that don't run as hot and will (hopefully) last longer.
 
Yes agreed. Cylinder cleaners do need a bit more power though as they have to pull through the longer hose.
 
Is the key to a high performing motor (in terms of suction of course) down to the design of the fan ? I would imagine that would be the case, or is it how quickly the motor spins, or both ?

That is true. My dc41 mk2 has more than enough suction power at 700 watts, and I have found it doesn't emit as much heat as other, higher wattage motors.
 
It's a combination of things, IMO. The reason dirty fan cleaners tend to perform better on carpets, is because the suction, though not as strong as clean air, has less far to travel. The nearer you can get to the fan, the stronger the suction will be. If a vacuum has loads of windy tunnels and tubes between the cleanerhead and the motor, it won't perform as well. The more direct route of the suction, the better.


 


The fan itself is also something to take into consideration. The suction on Oreck uprights is pretty crap, largely because the fan is so tiny. Then there are twin fan designs, the quality of the motor, materials the fan is made out of and other such things to consider. I've always viewed high wattage as a cheap cop out for vacuum manufacturers to get away with using cheap motors and poor designs.
 
Hopefully the new EU ratings will lead to more efficient better performing motors.

Maybe digital motors will become more the norm?
 
Regarding motor wattage,

Take a look at the older Hoover uprights. The early models, like the 300 or 725, only had about a 300 watt motor. Even with this low wattage, they still cleaned carpets like a pro, and still do if they're in good shape. The American Electroluxes had 535 watt motors for several years until the 1205 was introduced, which had a "high performance" motor. I have a 1949 Electrolux Model XXX that is only 535 watts, and it does a perfectly good job cleaning floors and area rugs. 


 


Personally, I don't think any vacuum needs more than a 700 watt motor to do an adequate job at cleaning your home.
 
Who cares how much power a vacuum uses? What is the big deal with cutting down on power, and on vacuum cleaners of all things! 
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