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rfostoria

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Hello all, first time poster here! Before I jump into questions let me first tell you my vacuum tale. When I moved out to college, my mom sent me off with a Dirt Devil EZ-Lite. It was... less than impressive at actually cleaning, but I liked it well enough. When I graduated in May, my sister was moving into her first apartment out at school as well, so she took the Dirt Devil with her and was, again, underwhelmed by it.

Now, I just recently got a job right by school and my roommate still hadn't lined up a replacement for me, so I moved back in but without a vacuum cleaner. I decided to go out last week to a local thrift store just to see what they had. Now, I'm a big fan of old, metal, retro appliances so I was aware of Kirby vacuums, but always assumed that they were ultra expensive and didn't really know much else about them. The concept of the shake-out vacuum bag, for example, was completely new to me. I thought all bag vacuums made you buy disposable paper bags (I'm from the 90's, give me a break). Imagine my excitement, then, when I found that the store was carrying not one, but two Kirby vacuum cleaners for $10 and $15 dollars each: a Classic III with a red plaid bag and a chrome handle, and the $15 unit was unlabeled, but looked a bit more modern and had blue trim (it turns out that it's a Tradition, but the label had work off) respectively. I decided to go with the Classic III because I liked the chrome handle and the red trim better.

So, I took it home and was immediately impressed. The construction was super solid (not injection molded plastic crap here!), the controls were very ergonomic, and the power was great not to mention the looks! Fast forward to this week, and I decided that I should go pick up the other one as a Christmas present for my poor sister who is still using that Dirt Devil. Unfortunately, the Tradition turns out to have had a rougher life than the Classic III (which had a vacuum cleaner store service sticker on it with a 10 digit phone number). The headlight doesn't work, it looks like the clip on brush part didn't fit right and carved into the aluminum nozzle, the handle is too loose for its support clip, the impeller shaft has surface rust, the hood latch (which the Classic III does not have) is broken, the case is oxidized, the safety/speed switch is jammed all the way down, and the electrical cord is partially wrapped in electrical tape. It was also had some cob webs in various places, suggesting that it sat in a basement somewhere for some time.

So, that brings me to my question asking:

1. All of the Classic IIIs I see online have the Tradition style handle with a red textured pattern, but mine has the chrome pole handle that seems to appear on older models. Is it an original part, or was it replaced at some point?

2. I read that on newer G-series models, you can learn when the vacuum was manufactured by reading its serial number. Mine both have different, shorter serial numbers. Does anyone know what they stand for?

3. Like I said above and as you see from the pictures, my Tradition is in a pretty poor state. Does anyone know of a good source for replacement parts for these old models? I'd like to refresh them both with some well earned new parts and a good polish.

4. Having been in production for so long, I assume that there is a good amount of part interchangeability with these vacuums. Are there any common "mods" that I can do here with newer parts? For example, I keep reading about Mini Emp-tors. What are those?

Well thanks for reading my essay. I appreciate any input!

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Steve,

1. Your Classic III obviously has the wrong handle assembly, that's why. The handle assembly on yours is for a model 516 to 561. Someone else replaced the original one with that.

2. Your Classic III appears to have been made in the summer 1977 timeframe going by its serial number, while your Tradition was made in the fall 1979 timeframe judging by its serial number.

3. Where to start? The original 10-blade metal fan had since been replaced with a gray Lexan plastic fan. The headlight lock button is going out. I can recommend Kent Oyler's eBay site, Kirby Needs, for some of the more common parts.
http://stores.ebay.com/Kirby-Needs
But be aware that several parts are NLA for your version of the Tradition's headlight cap, such as the headlight lock button assembly.

4. The Mini Emtor is a common replacement part for models 516 to Tradition to allow the use of the G4/G5-style HEPA disposable bags on these machines.

~Ben

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Im not sure what machine is picture #3, but what ever machine it is has a bad safety switch, it looks like it is stuck in the high speed position which will cause premature carbon brush wear, premature belt wear, make the machine louder, make it harder to push, you should replace the speed switch.
 
Welcome

Congratulations on your Kirby purchases. Be aware it can become an obsession. You definitely got both machines for good prices. Besides being very well made, Kirbys are fairly easy to work on as long as you have decent screwdriver skills. The aluminum on both machines can easily be polished to gleam like new. There are plenty of Kirby restoration and repair videos on YouTube that will show you how to do these things. Keep us posted on how your machines progress.
 
Thanks everyone. Is the metal fan notably better than the plastic ones? And, yes, that speed switch is definitely getting replaced.
 
Oh, I also forgot. It looks like the Tradition's previous owner was using its bag as a shake-out bag, despite having a full length zipper. Is that ok, or should I get it an aftermarket Sani-Pocket replacement bag instead?
 
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The full length zipper outer bags were NEVER intended to be used without disposable paper bags. The tradition performs much better with shake-out bags anyway, and last time I checked, they were still available on Ebay (both styles were made for the Tradition... customers could choose at the time of purchase which style they wanted). I removed the fill-tube assembly when I got my Tradition and replaced everything with a shake-out bag and nearly doubled air flow.
 
vacman1961

That safety switch is on the Classic III, the early Tradition has the safety switch in the light hood. The later Traditions had a safety switch like the Classic III.

The Safety Switch part # is 134380 used on the Classic Omega, III and late model Tradition.

If you can find a Kirby dealer that still has a safety switch for the Classic III they usually charge about $60 for the switch. The safety switch in the light hood for the Tradition hasn't been available for years.
 
Nasty bags...

My G5 had been used without an inner bag. It was so nasty that the best option for it was to replace the outer bag. If the outer bag on your Tradition is in good shape (i.e., no holes), you can probably launder it--take it off the machine, turn it inside out, wash on delicate cycle and line dry (DON'T put it in the dryer) and use it with the proper inner filter bag. If the condition is too bad, you'll probably be better off replacing it, which will likely cost between $30 and $50. You'll have to decide whether you want an old-fashioned shakeout bag or a more modern arrangement with an internal filter bag. If it were mine, I'd opt for the latter. It's just neater and easier to deal with.
 
KirbyClassicIII

Thank you Captain Obvious

I was responding to vacman1961 who didn't know which model's safety switch was in picture 3. If you notice in some of the other pictures the Tradition has the lock button for the safety switch on the light hood so logic would tell you that out of the two vacuums the safety switch that is mounted below the attachment bar would have to be from the Classic III.
 
Rereading paragraph 3 I noticed that it states that the speed switch that is jammed down is infact on the Tradition. So then yes the Tradition was converted to the Classic III switch.

Is the old safety switch still in the light hood? I think the light and safety switch were combined in one unit.
 
All of those taken-apart photos are of the Tradition. I checked the Classic III for reference, and it has the same switch that the Tradition does, which I was able to find for sale at the Ebay store listed above.
 
It's the Tradition in Pic 3

Look to the left, that wheel is definitely blue!


 


Oh, and love that atomic dining set in the background! 
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Thanks! That was also a free roadside find. The chairs were in lousy shape, so my mom helped me reupholster them in marine vinyl. I even got some Franciscan Starburst salt and pepper shakers to go with it.

Anyway, a bunch of replacement part have come in for the vacuums. I just need to go out and get some polishing compound so I can get them a good buffing before putting things back together.
 
Although, here's a good question: How do I actually remove the old plastic fan from this vacuum cleaner? I found a video where a guy is working on a Heritage and says to put something through the hole on the impeller shaft, but mine doesn't have that.
 
rfostoria

Steve,

On such older impeller fans, you have to have a special fan locking tool (part no. T130 for models Omega to Legend II) to keep the fan from moving while attempting to remove it.

I think you saw this video, didn't you?


Another user has a tutorial for how to install a metal fan into a Heritage II Legend:
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(part 2)


~Ben
 

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