Well, let's just say they have their "niche" audience. I happen to be very passionate about them myself, although I was very distressed when they moved their plant from Biloxi, Miss. to Cookeville, Tenn. for no apparent reason, acquired the ill-fated Halo (and jacked up the price) and now offer Chinese-made commercial machines. I'd stick with their American-made (for now) 8-lb. upright.