New For 2017 - Numatic Henry Cordless HVB160-12

[n0oxy]

comparison of Henry with the simplicity freedom cordless

Nice new Henry, he's very quiet, and it sounds like, for a battery powered vacuum, it works pretty well. I do wish Henry was more popular here in the states as well, I have one, it's very nice. It's actually the new 620 watt motor version, I've thought about trying to get one with the two stage motor, although I don't think those are made anymore, and the model numbers are the same, I think they end in 200. If it says, autosave, was that the two stage motor? I know there were problems with the auto save feature though. Supposedly, the newer motor actually performs better even though it takes less power.
I thought I would mention some comparisons with the Simplicity Freedom cordless vacuum, this doesn't mean one is better than the other, but this is another cordless vacuum that does very well. I actually have the Volt power nozzle and it's a modified version of the Freedom cordless, same specs, just no bag, instead it's fitted with a handle end to put the end of a hose in to. It would actually be interesting to pair up the cordless Henry with this nozzle. Anyway, the battery is 44 volts, motor is 310 watts. The run time is around an hour with a 2.5 hour charge time. It doesn't include a separate battery, and the battery is not designed to be swapped in and out since you have to take out a couple screws to remove it. There is a button on the top of the battery that you press to see how much power is left, the more LEDs that light up, the more charge is left in the battery. The charger is just a power supply that plugs in to the battery, and the charger gets quite warm while charging. This vacuum actually has a spinning brush and a dirty air fan.
Mike

 

[alexhoovers94]

stormcrash, yeh, it is so small! It makes the normal Henry look huge! Lol.

Eurekaprince, I have teied it with the carpet turbo nozzle, which is the 12" width, the went around when contacting the carpet but it didn't go around very fast, unlike the regualr Henry, which nearly make the brushroll fling out the nozzle it goes that fast!

Henry cordless might fair better with a mini turbo head, I will have to try...As I say, I have only tried the standard carpet turbo nozzle, the "Airobrush".

Batteries can be dispossed in special bins over here, I believe.

 

[alexhoovers94]

The newest models of Henry and other Numatic cleaners use a 620w single fan motor. The power of it is no different that I can detect to the older 1200w twinflo motor, (older Hi/lo switch and autosave models) if anything, I think the new 620w motor is more powerful and is slightly quieter.

The Simplicity sounds interesting! Do you have a photo of it?

 

[electromatik]

I like the smiley faces on these. For children that are into vacuum cleaners, this would be a good one for them to play with and learn with.

Henry/Numatic is like Tacony. They haven't spread beyond the U.K.'s shores much. I've never seen one in any store thus far. I think they could sell in the U.S. They would be a good choice for those with hardwood floors. Also a good choice for industrial use. They seem quieter than Shop Vacs and so on. Would buy.

 

[tolivac]

What a nice vacuum!!!Would love to have one!!Figure the Henry Cordless may well be the first cordless canister vacuum that REALLY works!Did you pick up all that stuff in your demo with one bag?Yes,pair the Henry with a Volt cordless powernozzle and you will have a cordless tandem air vacuum!!

 

[eurekaprince]

Thank you for that information Alex. Excellent video by the way!

McHardy vacuum in Canada sells a full line of Numatic vacuums, including one with a power nozzle. Maybe they will get the new cordless Henry, too.

Here's a link:



http://www.mchardyvac.com/brands/Nu...a&productid=&gclid=CIXKqpewsNMCFQi4wAodBLsGSA

 

[alexhoovers94]

Henry's were and still are designed for commercial use and since nearly all commercial carpet in the UK is glued down, tightly woven, VERY low pile carpet, a powerhead is really not neccasery and would make the machine more cumbersome and inconvenient to use.

Numatic did offer the option for a powerhead to be plugged into the back on standard Henry models back in the 80s and 90s. In the early to late 2000s Numatic did away with power take off socket on standard Henry models and offered specific models with a powerhead (HenryTurbo), I am not sure if you can get a Numatic cleaner with an electric powerhead at all now?!

Electric powerheads have never really been wanted by the consumer on cylinder vacuum cleaners in the UK, if people wanted their cylinder to have a brushroll they just bought a turbobrush or bought a vacuum that came with one, which Numatic do too, the Henry Xtra, a Turbobrush on a regular Henry spins extremely fast and is very effective.

electromatic - Yes, haha, kids are obsessed with them! Don't let the smiley face fool you though, they are a true proffesional vacuum cleaner.

tolivac - The bag was changed after the demos, not because it was full...Just to give it a true demonstration of the suction power at the end of the video, the suction was not really reduced with the dirt filled bag, was just to make it fair.

eurekaprince - Thanks for the link, some interesting looking models there! And you're welcome.

Alex.

 

[n0oxy]

videos of the freedom and volt nozzle

Sure, here's a video demonstrating the Freedom cordless upright, I think this is the Riccar branded version, but it's the same thing, just different color.

And here is a video of the volt power nozzle, basically what they did was to remove the bag assembly and instead made it with a handle that you can attach a hose to. It will give any canister vacuum a power nozzle, I haven't paired this up with my Henry yet, but I plan to try it.

Yes, the Henry does clean very well, and it's much quieter than a shop vac, great vacuums for sure.
Mike

 

[sebo4me]

You could make your Henry into a power nozzle model by running a cable from the power supply inside the cleaner.

This is what I've done with my Miele C3. It was easier to do than I thought

I just copied Mike in Finland

 

[alexhoovers94]

I don't think I could be bothered messing about with it lol.

 

[sebo4me]

Haha I enjoyed it

I think that Volt PN would work great with the Henry it would increase the performance on carpets significantly. I'm not a fan of turbo brushes.

Why is the cordless Henry 3 times the price of the mains powered one? Is it that much more expensive to manufacture?

 

[alexhoovers94]

I think it is more expensive because of what it is, cordless vacuums are expensive! The casing has been redesigned to allow the battery to seat in the top, the motor for the cordless Henry has also been redesigned, it is smaller and not the standard type...Plus the lithium ion batteries, which you get two and give you 60 minutes cleaning time, between both!

Changes in design and new products are always expensive at first...Has to pay someones wages and pay for new mouldings/technology, etc.

They will probably come down in price, but they only came out in February, so they are atill very new! If they do reduce the price, Numatic will probably have a battery pack sacrificed.

People always want "out for nout"!

 

[eurekaprince]

This thread has reminded me that the time has come for Miele to try again to design a battery-powered power nozzle for canisters. I don't mean a large upright attachment like the Volt. I mean a battery operated carpet nozzle included with a deluxe C3 canister that will eliminate the need for bulky electrified wands and hoses. Hopefully the lithium technology has advanced to the point that such a power nozzle could be used for a good hour in a large home without needing a recharge. Or at least provide a set of two or three battery packs (charging separately in its own charging base) that can provide "ready-to-go" back-up power for large carpet cleaning jobs. Would certainly clean better than air-driven turbo nozzles.

 

[n0oxy]

turbo nozzles

I'm also not a fan of turbo nozzles for several reasons. First, the sound is annoying, like a dentist drill on steroids, in many cases the turbo brush is louder than the vacuum motor itself. Second, the turbo brush takes cleaning power to spin the turbine, so the cleaning performance of the vacuum will be decreased. Finally, everything vacuumed up goes through the turbine, clogs are almost guaranteed to happen. Electric nozzles don't have any of these issues, and in the case of the volt nozzle, it actually adds more airflow to what the vacuum already has. Speaking of Miele, I have tried the volt with the Miele C1 olympus, works great. Brian, if you're looking for a power nozzle for your C3, you might consider the volt nozzle, I think you said in another post you use an upright for your carpets, with the volt nozzle, your Miele vacuum would clean your carpets easily.
Mike

 

[eurekaprince]

Thanks for that Mike! I still prefer using a separate upright vac to finish off a room being cleaned. I prefer to back out of a room starting from the area farthest from the door and uprights are better suited for that.

I just think that with the improvement in battery technology and the proliferation of more powerful cordless vacs and robot vacs, it's time to revolutionize the way power nozzle canisters provide power to the brush roll motors in their deep cleaning carpet nozzles. And new fancy lithium batteries would really do the trick.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Here is a close up of the spec list from Numatics latest brochure, you can see the suction difference recorded in water lift on the chart, for both the standard Henry and Henry Cordless.

 

[alexhoovers94]

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[sebo4me]

So the mains Henry has 90 inches of water lift and the cordless has 47.

I wonder what the airflow is at the end of the hose.

Does the cordless have enough to spin a turbo brush?

 

[alexhoovers94]

It works very well with a mini turbotool, it doesn't work so well with a full size one, specifically the Numatic Airobrush, the brushes go round but not very fast.