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Well Harry, I hope we've provided you with enough information to make an informed choice on what to get. It seems a toss up between the Sebo Felix Pet, and the Sebo D2 Total - each will give you great cleaning, and its gonna be your choice of whether you want an upright or a cylinder.


You may decide to go for the Miele S8320 at the end of the day - Miele are great - I have several Miele machines, including S8 models, but with a German built machine, I think Sebo just has the edge in terms of rugged reliability, but Miele win on the style and fancy gadgets score. Bear in mind also that Sebo started off in the 70's producing commercial machines and only make vacuum cleaners, its their speciality and their machines, whilst they may never win a fashion show like Dysons, are built to do one thing well - that is clean your home.
 
Of course, there is the other alternative such as the Numatic Henry bagged vacuum - this is like the SEBO D2 on bag capacity but you would have to spend extra on the turbo brush and some members on here feel that the AiroHead alone isn't that great on carpets - however the Numatic is cheap to buy, is durable and cheap to run.


 


The other aspect is that it is a far older unit and lacks the creature comforts of either the Miele or SEBO - so you don't get an auto cord rewind but a hand roller to roll up the long cable, which is nearly twice as much as you would with Miele, or on a par with the SEBO D.


 


The Henry has a Hi and Lo suction switch but it also lacks telescopic tubes but they are long fixed suction tubes with a bend at the top that can be swapped around. No bag indicator is on the machine and dependent on the year, storing smaller cleaning tools is an issue, unless the vacuum has a slot on the rear to clip one or two tools on.


 


My home has three to four bedrooms and I live in a bungalow - however I have a lot of space and carpet to clean. 


 


I have owned Henry before too - he's a good one for large homes and for those on a budget - but a lot of compromises have to be made in lieu of what you would get with the SEBO range and Miele


 


 
 
Wow again thank you! So much to take in and go through. One last question as i am torn between the Felix Pet and the D2 Total.

Should i take into consideration the Dart 1, 2 or 4 and the professional D??

Regards.
 
The Dart and Professional D are both commercial variants of the domestic versions. The Dart was released first, for commercial use, and later released as the Felix, in more trendy colours for the domestic market. I think the Dart doesn't have the adjustable power control, and lacks the upholstery tool, but otherwise there is not much difference. The Professional D does not have a cord reel - the cord is detachable from the machine and wraps around the top of the machine when not in use. The professional D does not have a turbo brush nor a dusting brush, and is only rated at 1200W.


 


Personally, I'd stick to  the domestic versions of these machines, as they are more suited to homes than offices, and have more tools/heads.
 
I have a SEBO Felix and love it while it doesn't have a wand it is very versatile. Don't let the small 3.5 litre bag put you off. As I have a pet I have to vacuum most days or every other day to remove pet hair. The paper bags used to last on average 3 months. The new synthetic ones that I have just used one of lasted 5 months. The dust and dirt seems to compress more so they last longer with no noticeable drop in performance.

I've attached a pic of my first full synthetic bag do love them over the paper ones. The D Series uses the same synthetic bag material so 6 litres should last a while, that would last me nearly 10 months or so going by how long my Felix bag lasts. Depends on your usage though. SEBOs are cheap to run like others have said well built to and perform easy to use and maintain which I love.

Like the others suggest go try both out see how you get on with them, John Lewis is a good place to try them both out.

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Also the Dart commercial models come with no height adjustment handles and NO brush roll button off on the ET-1 floor heads - even the larger floor head doesn't come with a brush roll on/off button.
 
The Dart 4 has a variable suction control on the handle, still no height adjustment handle and the Kombi suction only floor tool. 
 
ALSO the hose on the Felix stops the brush roll immediately as a safety precaution if it is taken out by mistake when used as an upright cleaning carpets - the DART doesn't have this added feature, though the brush roll will stop when the vacuum is put back into the upright position. 
 
The Felix also has a 9.5 metre cable whereas the D2 Total has 12 metres, so you're getting more reach from an albeit bigger vacuum cleaner that you pull around PLUS a 2.1 metre stretch hose.
 
 
 
 
pets..

Jon, I think that If you have dogs, the smaller bags are better than the larger ones, as the strong smell from the bag often means that you throw out the 6 litre bags in the X series or the D series way before they are properly full. In short, dogs make most vacs smell rather quickly, bagged or bagless, so at least you have more chance of filling a 3 litre bag before it stinks to high heaven.


I have bought some second hand bagged and bagless vacs that have really howled - all of them came from homes with dogs.
 
Sorry I disagree, but then I own the Felix and D2 Total and I've cleared up after dogs.

Put simply, the filter system in the D series is far better than the one used in the Felix and Thats with the Charcoal filter fitted on the Felix, too.

The main downside to the Felix is that it will run hot if max'd all the way due to the main exhaust filter vents being located at the front of the vacuum which then fills the material cover with hot air.
The charcoal filter will only filter out most pet hair odour as it sits rotting in the bag, but the smell soon starts to come through the main filter exhaust, signalling a replacement filter.

I find the charcoal filter can only last a box of bags before replacement is required; clearing up after two old labradors, the smell of the pet hair also gets into the hose like any vacuum - and due to the kinked handle on the Felix, the hose can be tricky to clean out fully - SEBO's D series (and K1 up to the Pet models) hose can be taken off directly from the handle for cleaning through.

I also find that the newer filter system in the D series is more absorbing and the machine doesn't run that hot even when used with a middle suction setting. It may have a bigger bag on board but the filters fitted as standard on the D series are far more modern and built to cope.

But, if you don't have pets, you should try both the Felix and D2.
 
Sebo d4

I personally Think the sebo d4 It's a fantastic vacuum for a big Home It's got the same powerhead as the sebo Felix .It's just like As a d2 But has a hand control and a powerhead It is probably better than the Felix It's got all the bells and whistles And it's got a five year parts and labour But that's my opinion everyone's got their opinions :)
 
I can see where your coming from but for me not necessarily I get more in the new synthetic bags so they are in the machine longer than the paper ones. The second one I've put in has one of them SEBO fresheners that I like so that masks any smell I normally get. To be honest I don't overly notice the pet hair smell only slightly even with the standard filter flitted. I don't run it on full power either. Then again suppose it depends on type of pet/dog and if the hair/skin is more oily which properly gives off more of a scent!

When I switch to the Miele which I fitted a charcoal filter not longer after as I could smell pet hair I don't now only when I first switch it on I get a blast of dog smell then it goes. Again I let the 6 litre bag fill to the top.
 
I quite like the idea of the D4. I sometimes wish I had another SEBO instead of getting the Miele S7 but wanted to see what all the fuss was about with a Miele same as when I got my Felix!
 
I dont have any pets. I do like the d4 but the colour white worries me. Will it spoil easier i.e discolour? The review for the d4 arent as good as the d2 or felix pet. Glasgow is my nearest John lewis so i will try and contact them and see if i they can arrange a viewing. Thank you all for your input!
 
Glad I could help

Harry - I have a K3 Premium - its white - it doesn't discolour and it actually hides the scratches pretty well! Wish they were all white infact! My Felix is also the Navy model but has a cream outer body - it has hidden its age well.

IF John Lewis in Glasgow can't stock the D2 Total in for you, try getting them to get the first model in, the D2 Storm (its red) - you can buy the mini turbo brush head in the store to match the D2 Total spec, but you may have to get the main turbo brush floor head online.

The Glasgow store is notorious for putting out ex-demo machines on the shop floor too (though they would get you in a new D model since they sell them online) so just be careful of that as you may end up buying a SEBO X4 Excel instead lol Its my local store, so I go there all the time.
 
The Reviews on the sebo D4 Are not as good because it is not available in stores And Not very popular But a very good machine It is exactly the same as the D2 Just 10 times better In my opinion I would go For the D4
 
1300 watt motor for the Felix, 175 watts for the PN head.

As for the D4, the UK reviews that exist on it in written form do show average buyers compared to Roger and others (RichardLee also on You Tube) who are collectors and have done video reviews on it.

The D4 reiterates my personal feeling for it - I don't like it - yes, it has that Felix ET-1 power head which is great but the hose becomes more difficult to manage as time goes on because of the embedded cord running through it and doesn't always turn at the top behind the handle despite it having a restricted swivel.

The suction only models are far more flexible and lighter to pull along with the machine behind not to mention the light weight main floor tools on the front.

I had the same issue with my K3 Premium, which uses a shorter hose, but still the same problem happens. Even after SEBO sent out a new and improved hose, the hose still feels heavier because of the embedded cord and it doesn't always turn the way I want my hand to go when holding onto the handle.

Its all very well having an electronic suction control handle on the SEBO cylinders, and some members like models such as the K3 Vulcano that offers that alone - but without the power nozzle floor head I find the whole concept just as useless - dont get me wrong - I loved it when I first got it, but after a while the hose really got on my nerves.

The old excuse that "you don't have to bend down to change the suction setting," gets forgotten easily when you still have to bend down to pull the cord for cord rewind or take a tool.
 
I do like them both, although the S7 is bulky and heavy. I prefer the Felix more as it's lighter and more versatile and slimmer to go under furniture.
 
Up to you - but I seriously have second thoughts about it - the embedded cord in the D4 is heavier and not as light and easy to use as the D2. Plus that price of £340 is really too high. Also the supplier company on Amazon list the company in Germany - the machine might be supplied with a German plug, not UK plug - best to contact them if you're really that interested.
 
Cheaper price.......

The cheapest i can find it is £263.90 delivered. The plug will be a german plug but that wouldn't be an issue either using an adapter or putting on a uk plug.

I assumed the D4 Pet was just a D2 with a turbo floor head?
 
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Well actually Germany and England had the same voltage just different plugs I had I have had many vacuums from Germany Hoover virgin go for it looks like a fantastic vacuum and 10 times better than the D2. personally I would go for the D4 premium is a lot better
 
See, the reason why I'm not that keen on the D4 for Harry is because of his height. My aunt is 5ft 7, she's not that elderly and she struggled to use my K3 Premium with the older ET-H floor head as well as the electric hose.

The D4 hose is heavier from behind with the metal tubes from the front and whatever floor head is used, though at least the air driven turbo brush is far lighter than the 2.4kg ET-1 floor head.

You can keep saying how good the D4 is "10 times better," but he did say he was going to buy a Miele S8 model, which is why I've recommended the D2 model.
 
The D4 Premium does have a weak point - there is an external connector wire between the hose cuff at the handle and the top of the electric telescopic wand. This wire has a tendency to fracture internally due the constant twisting back on forth, and when it fails the floorhead stops working.


Replacements are not cheap.


 
 
I quite like the variable suction control on the S7 too Ryan especially the suggested settings labelled around it. Me too wish they did a smaller lighter slimmer upright. They do 2 cylinder version small and large! I can see what you mean but it's still money in Miele pocket just not on a cylinder but on an upright if they offered a smaller version.

I think they are missing a trick as some people who prefer uprights but find the S7 bulky and heavy might not like the idea of a cylinder so go else where. Miele do offer a wide range in all there other appliances so why they don't do a broader range in their vacuum line. Suppose most of their markets prefer cylinders and the S7 was their fully own designed upright. I not that keen on cylinders generally in terms of using one to clean with.
 
I like Miele's cylinder vacs but the older ones are better - so much more durable. The best one I ever had was the S571 then fell for the charms of the S4210 which was much lighter by weight. But still the old S300, S500 and S700 are better built but very heavy.

I also have the Alternative stick vac but it's not so good at carpet pick up, even with a turbo brush tagged on. Miele know they can do a small upright - but they just won't do it. They may do it if other brands return to making bagged vacuums again in Europe.
 

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