Need Professional Help............

[sebo_fan]

Sorry but Im not going to go down this route with members, trying to convince you otherwise. To start with I don't intend to be here in the next 40 years. 35 maybe if I am lucky.


 


However the SEBO X still sells - the Hoover Senior/Convertible is no longer a current brand new market production model. Thus there are parts still available for the X and it is designed specifically to be repaired by the owner. The X can also pick up stones and coins 

 


Even now Hoover's Turbopower 2 and 3 series appear to have a lack of replacement brush rolls on the market. I think that's a real pity for any collector who wants to give their cherished collected vacs a few more years of longevity.


 


 

 

[madabouthoovers]

I think ultimately its up to Harry whether he wants the expense of having to replace bags more often in the Felix, to enable him to have a cleaner that's easier for him to use, given that he has said he is 5 foot 3.


 


My advice to him is that in his type of home, with his stature, then a smaller upright cleaner would be better. A cylinder like the Miele S8320 would be good for him yes, but it would not clean the carpet pile with an air-driven turbo brush as well as a Sebo Felix would with a motorised head - a motorised head that's very reliable and held in high regard.


A Dyson DC41 may fit the bill, but they are very expensive, and not terribly well built, and have the messy cleaning at emptying time to deal with.


Sebo and Miele are quality German built appliances, that get over 90% satisfaction ratings, that's why they are my favourite modern brands for vacuum cleaners.


Dyson, Hoover, and Vax are all built in the far East to a price rather than a quality line, and again, its up to Harry to decide whether he wants a vacuum made in China, Malaysia, or in Germany.


 

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[madabouthoovers]

Harry might like to watch the following video on the Sebo Felix, done by one of the most respected members of the vacuum collector world. Roger highlights the features and benefits of this model, and I must point out that neither Myself nor Roger are in any way affiliated to Sebo, nor any other company that makes vacs - we just own or have owned a good many makes and models.


The other possibility that is being highlighted is the cylinder cleaner by Sebo, the D2 Total, also reviewed by Roger on his channel


 


Roger is the most unbiased reviewer I have seen - he reports on the vacs as he finds them, but I'm sure you'd agree, they are very helpful in deciding what to spend your money on - especially since some vacs nowadays sell for up to £500!


 


Sebo Felix review:

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http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=V994F9kZ6b0&list=PLL8RFLr8EcfR2OS6dge763T7O71bfJwCK

 

[madabouthoovers]

For availability and prices - Peter Tyson do the Felix Pet, which has a turbo brush and parquet head, for £228 - they can supply bags for it as well.


John Lewis supply this vac as well, but will charge you £270.

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http://www.petertysonappliances.co.uk/ebuttonz/ebz_product_pages/sebo_felix_pet_vacuum_cleaner.shtml

 

[sebo_fan]

I will ask you not to point out my Avatar as a way of trying to get your responses closer to make an impact. 


 


Harry - Roger's video is excellent but it is rather long at 38 minutes. Mine lasts for 10 mins.


 


I've also done one on the SEBO D2 with the K1 Pet combo video.  On the basis that Harry has asked for a telescopic tube, which the Felix does not have, this is why I have suggested the D2. 


 





 

 

[madabouthoovers]

Here is a link to an available Sebo D2 Total from Freenet Electrical. I have used them before and they are a reliable seller, The price for the basic machine and free delivery is £219. They can also supply the bags, but the bags can be sourced cheaper elsewhere.


They do charge £15 for delivery to the remote areas of Scotland, so it could cost you £234, as opposed to £279 in John Lewis.


 


Freenet are one of the cheapest online suppliers of the German brands - they usually carry most stuff in stock, but not always, and this will be highlighted on each item's page.

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http://www.freenetelectrical.co.uk/sebo/vacuum-cleaners/d2-total-90612gb/product-2373/

 

[madabouthoovers]

Here is the link to Roger's Sebo D2 Total review:



http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5srpb7sVds

 

[sebo_fan]

Good luck getting Freenet to deliver for free to Scotland though - there's a surcharge of £15 in some parts. See screenshot photo provided.


 


Best thing to do is to visit John Lewis in Glasgow, Aberdeen or Edinburgh - phone them up in advance Harry if you want to try a SEBO D2 as they sell them online and can get one in store for you. As you may know the beauty of John Lewis is that you can try out any vacuum cleaner their stores. They also sell a wide range of things for the SEBO vacs as well as Miele.


 


Also try Euronics stores - do a Google search. Unlike Steve, I'm not a PA.

 

[madabouthoovers]

For Bags for the Felix - this is a good value supplier that you can get 16 bags for £17 with free delivery - They give free delivery on orders over £10 and multi discounts for buying more than 1 item, so it works out cheaper to buy one order of 16 bags rather than 2 orders of 8 bags.


Unfortunately they don't sell the D series bags, but these can be sourced direct from Sebo, and other dealers - bearing in mind that Sebo charge about £4 for delivery on orders under £50.



http://www.buydustbags.co.uk/vacuum...d=974677&path=495346:496792,495397&refine=bag

 

[sebo_fan]

Peter Tyson also adds a surcharge to certain places in Scotland.


 


 

 

[madabouthoovers]

Well Harry, I hope we've provided you with enough information to make an informed choice on what to get. It seems a toss up between the Sebo Felix Pet, and the Sebo D2 Total - each will give you great cleaning, and its gonna be your choice of whether you want an upright or a cylinder.


You may decide to go for the Miele S8320 at the end of the day - Miele are great - I have several Miele machines, including S8 models, but with a German built machine, I think Sebo just has the edge in terms of rugged reliability, but Miele win on the style and fancy gadgets score. Bear in mind also that Sebo started off in the 70's producing commercial machines and only make vacuum cleaners, its their speciality and their machines, whilst they may never win a fashion show like Dysons, are built to do one thing well - that is clean your home.

 

[sebo_fan]

Of course, there is the other alternative such as the Numatic Henry bagged vacuum - this is like the SEBO D2 on bag capacity but you would have to spend extra on the turbo brush and some members on here feel that the AiroHead alone isn't that great on carpets - however the Numatic is cheap to buy, is durable and cheap to run.


 


The other aspect is that it is a far older unit and lacks the creature comforts of either the Miele or SEBO - so you don't get an auto cord rewind but a hand roller to roll up the long cable, which is nearly twice as much as you would with Miele, or on a par with the SEBO D.


 


The Henry has a Hi and Lo suction switch but it also lacks telescopic tubes but they are long fixed suction tubes with a bend at the top that can be swapped around. No bag indicator is on the machine and dependent on the year, storing smaller cleaning tools is an issue, unless the vacuum has a slot on the rear to clip one or two tools on.


 


My home has three to four bedrooms and I live in a bungalow - however I have a lot of space and carpet to clean. 


 


I have owned Henry before too - he's a good one for large homes and for those on a budget - but a lot of compromises have to be made in lieu of what you would get with the SEBO range and Miele


 


 

 

[super-sweeper]

All right, Sebofan!

I'll have fun with my HOOVERS, And you'll have fun with your Sebo(s)!

 

[sebo_fan]

Thing is... I miss my Senior and Junior lol

 

[hoovervirgin]

Wow again thank you! So much to take in and go through. One last question as i am torn between the Felix Pet and the D2 Total.

Should i take into consideration the Dart 1, 2 or 4 and the professional D??

Regards.

 

[madabouthoovers]

The Dart and Professional D are both commercial variants of the domestic versions. The Dart was released first, for commercial use, and later released as the Felix, in more trendy colours for the domestic market. I think the Dart doesn't have the adjustable power control, and lacks the upholstery tool, but otherwise there is not much difference. The Professional D does not have a cord reel - the cord is detachable from the machine and wraps around the top of the machine when not in use. The professional D does not have a turbo brush nor a dusting brush, and is only rated at 1200W.


 


Personally, I'd stick to  the domestic versions of these machines, as they are more suited to homes than offices, and have more tools/heads.

 

[madaboutsebo]

I have a SEBO Felix and love it while it doesn't have a wand it is very versatile. Don't let the small 3.5 litre bag put you off. As I have a pet I have to vacuum most days or every other day to remove pet hair. The paper bags used to last on average 3 months. The new synthetic ones that I have just used one of lasted 5 months. The dust and dirt seems to compress more so they last longer with no noticeable drop in performance.

I've attached a pic of my first full synthetic bag do love them over the paper ones. The D Series uses the same synthetic bag material so 6 litres should last a while, that would last me nearly 10 months or so going by how long my Felix bag lasts. Depends on your usage though. SEBOs are cheap to run like others have said well built to and perform easy to use and maintain which I love.

Like the others suggest go try both out see how you get on with them, John Lewis is a good place to try them both out.

 

[sebo_fan]

Also the Dart commercial models come with no height adjustment handles and NO brush roll button off on the ET-1 floor heads - even the larger floor head doesn't come with a brush roll on/off button.
 
The Dart 4 has a variable suction control on the handle, still no height adjustment handle and the Kombi suction only floor tool. 
 
ALSO the hose on the Felix stops the brush roll immediately as a safety precaution if it is taken out by mistake when used as an upright cleaning carpets - the DART doesn't have this added feature, though the brush roll will stop when the vacuum is put back into the upright position. 
 
The Felix also has a 9.5 metre cable whereas the D2 Total has 12 metres, so you're getting more reach from an albeit bigger vacuum cleaner that you pull around PLUS a 2.1 metre stretch hose.
 
 
 

 

[madabouthoovers]

pets..

Jon, I think that If you have dogs, the smaller bags are better than the larger ones, as the strong smell from the bag often means that you throw out the 6 litre bags in the X series or the D series way before they are properly full. In short, dogs make most vacs smell rather quickly, bagged or bagless, so at least you have more chance of filling a 3 litre bag before it stinks to high heaven.


I have bought some second hand bagged and bagless vacs that have really howled - all of them came from homes with dogs.

 

[sebo_fan]

Sorry I disagree, but then I own the Felix and D2 Total and I've cleared up after dogs.

Put simply, the filter system in the D series is far better than the one used in the Felix and Thats with the Charcoal filter fitted on the Felix, too.

The main downside to the Felix is that it will run hot if max'd all the way due to the main exhaust filter vents being located at the front of the vacuum which then fills the material cover with hot air.
The charcoal filter will only filter out most pet hair odour as it sits rotting in the bag, but the smell soon starts to come through the main filter exhaust, signalling a replacement filter.

I find the charcoal filter can only last a box of bags before replacement is required; clearing up after two old labradors, the smell of the pet hair also gets into the hose like any vacuum - and due to the kinked handle on the Felix, the hose can be tricky to clean out fully - SEBO's D series (and K1 up to the Pet models) hose can be taken off directly from the handle for cleaning through.

I also find that the newer filter system in the D series is more absorbing and the machine doesn't run that hot even when used with a middle suction setting. It may have a bigger bag on board but the filters fitted as standard on the D series are far more modern and built to cope.

But, if you don't have pets, you should try both the Felix and D2.