My friends Miele Deep Clean S5

[madabouthoovers]

The orange model is still available as an exclusive to Miele's online shop, selling at £220. They have had this on for ages.

http://www.miele.co.uk/S5-Deep-Clean-Vacuum-Cleaner-Vacuum-Cleaner-836/

 

[ultraperformer]

They look so sleek and modern

That's what I thought when I saw an S6 in a shop pictures just don't do them justice!

 

[turbo500]

Ryan, for the first time, I disagree with you. It's incredibley rare to find ANY loose dust and dirt inside the Miele bag chamber, whereas it's a common enough site to see a Numatic tub and filter caked in fine dust. Of course this has been improved with the HEPAflo bags in recent years, but they're still not as efficient as the Miele Hyclean bags.

In my home, I would much rather use a Miele. Smaller and easier to move around, quieter, on board tools and far easier to store. Also, the Miele floortool is wheeled and much better for use on thick carpets. The Numatic floortool is often a nightmare to use on rugs and thick carpets.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Numatic are great, but the only advantage they have over a Miele cylinder is the lower price.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Numatic Henry was originally designed for commercial use, and as such lacks the refinements of the miele models, such as wheels on the floorhead, and storage on board for the tools. Most companies only vacuum hard floors or short pile carpets with a Henry, and its metal baseplate is hardwearing and cheap to replace.
Filtration wasn't really an issue for companies, and most Henrys are still used with cheap paper bags or bagless (those where I work are anyway)
The Henry was never designed to be a direct competitor to the Miele, which was always designated a domestic vac, and always cost substantially more than the Henry.
The Miele does have better suction power than the Henry, but then the Miele has a much more powerful 2000 - 2200 W motor, whereas Henry has only a 1200W, and for its power rating, Henry still pulls a fair amount of suction.
Hepaflo bags are not better than Hyclean bags either, but an improvement on the old paper bags Henry used to use, and a fair bit cheaper than Hyclean bags.
Many people prefer the Henry as it is tried and tested, cheap and basic, and also cheap to buy spares and bags for.
I have both a Henry and a Miele S6, and Henry is used for doing the car and the dirtier jobs that I don't want to damage the Miele with. As far as I'm concerned, the Henry will always be a commercial vac, and its a very good commercial vac, withstanding rough treatment that would ruin a Miele very quickly - for example say, in the back of a builder's or plasterer's van.
Also, I have never noticed any dust build up in the Miele S6 and have always used Hyclean bags - I think they are expensive, but work very efficiently.
My Henry has always used the Hepaflo bags, and his tub stays very clean with them too, so if the vac is maintained and looked after there is no reason why the tub or interior should get caked with dust.

 

[sebo_fan]

Miele/SEBO good for luxury use, for everything else, its Hen

Yet again, I hasten to add as I've done previously that the Numatic tub canister and Miele's sledge vacuums are different. I can't and never will set them together as direct rivals, unless god forbid Numatic reduces the bag capacity to a much smaller 4.5 litre capacity or 5 litre capacity. But even then, one has to be able to see the Numatic Henry for what it is. Due to its commercial design, not only are spares readily available, they're cheaper to buy and wider to source. Also with the 32mm tubing, other existing brands can also be used in so far as after market tools, tubes with cheaper cost price etc - With Miele, you're reduced to only using Miele tools or at a push, Bosch. 


 


Whilst the Miele is a great vacuum cleaner to have in the home, it doesn't tick all the boxes for me in so far as a general all rounder - because perhaps in a way, I treat both my Miele vacs and SEBO cylinders with respect. I would never use either to pick up garden waste, would never dream of scraping their rubberised wheels along the path to my car and would never dream of using either vacuum without a dust bag in place; both are too expensive and damaging for any of those uses.


 


The Henry or whichever model you choose from Numatic however is robust enough to be trundled out to the car or garage for more abrasive pick up, plus can be used bagless (at the detriment of having to clean it out physically after use) if you run out of bags. Miele after all these years, still won't develop a fabric SMS useable, washable dust bag for situations of not having bags to hand at the time and buying 4 in a box at a time is not a cheap and cost effective answer - not when SEBO produce 7 or 10 in a box at similar prices. 


 


Thus, the all rounder is Henry. Yes, it may well have a dusty chamber compared to Miele's bin area but at least you get a long hose and a long cord plus a more robust design. Commercial or not - Henry is built to be an all rounder with only a few downsides compared to the expense of the Germans. 


 


 

 

[sebo_fan]

Here are some photos of my "old" Miele S6240. Since purchasing it in April 2011 it has become a daily driver due to its quick comfort cord rewind and general power. However I can't stand the heavier weight AirTeq double pedal floor head as it is too heavy and often gets caught up with the cord when parked at the rear. Eventually used an older floor head that is far more efficient and slimmer.


 


As you will see the paintwork on this model shows up white paint very easily. Though all models are premium priced, Miele only added the Red Velvet model as the top of the line with a red felt body. Don't know if anyone has one where the actual felt has sustained general marks of use, though. 


 


 

 

[sebo_fan]

Other side: 


 


So even if these vacuums are premium priced, its a pity that one has to pay out more for a better finish. 

 

[edgar]

Miele koi

In holland it was sold under the name koi but very limited.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I wouldn't say that the S6 was a premium price, as it starts from £170 for the blue power sprint model S6210, and the Cat and Dog S6220 can be had for under £200 in many places.
You really only pay top whack for the Red Velvet, but this adds an electronic control panel and remote handle control.
Premium price for a vac to me is £250 and over, so that most Dysons, Sebo uprights and AEG higher range vacs, and the Miele S7 range fall into this bracket.
Dysons are not worth premium prices, sorry but the Sebo X4 Pet runs rings round a Dyson DC41 in terms of quality, and you can also get a top of line Miele S7580 for less than a Dyson DC41.

Oh, and include most of the S8 range and the Hybrid S4 in the premium bracket as well, as aside from the S8 basic obsidian black model, the rest are all over £250, with the S8 Uniq and S4 Hybrid costing almost a wallet busting £500

 

[sebo_fan]

The original pricing for the S6 was always around the £200 mark. Infact the base line blue model cost £219 when it first appeared and the price kind of stuck that way until the Ecoline model came down in price. After more stocks of the S2 appeared including the higher priced limited edition colour ones like the white one to sit alongside the blue or red S2 cylinders, Miele then reduced pricing on the S6 as well as adding another colour variant, the black/dark grey S2 that I bought. That colour option is now standard in the S2 range with the blue one no longer sold, though probably still available online.

Miele vacs though can be expensive to run as well though - see previous posts on here with optional floor heads plus problems. The biggest downside are the cost of the bags - only 4 at a time in a pack unless you buy two boxes at a time.

It doesn't really matter regarding the different prices of the Miele S6 in general, but rather the cost of the smaller bags that has to be taken into consideration. I've tried the copy ones but they don't last and they fill up more quickly cutting off the power/suction available. I tend to the buy the older IntensiveClean bags wherever I can get them (normally EBAY) rather than use the HyClean ones. Some would argue that the HyClean ones are better but I don't find either to offer any great differentiation - at least both are Genuine.