My DC41 MK2. I must be mad!
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Btw I could get approx 8 inches under my bed when I was vacuuming my room with my DC14 origin today. It has a high cleaner head, especially when you tilt the vacuum back, the thing is that thelarge wheels at the back are there, and the cleaner head comes away from the floor when leant back at a large angle. With the ball ones, there is a nice cleaner head which is not high, it is max 3 inches, depending if you have a dc15, 25 or 41 etc... Then the ball can roll, but of course its big with all the components cleverly fitted inside. Also you can now vacuum under radiators with the ball machines! Just push forwards and move the handle to the opposite direction, without turning it, easy! 
super-sweeper
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The Dyson is a good performer, but not the best example of quality. As far as modern plastics are concerned, the Dyson is one of the leaders in modern durable plastics, but will the Dyson be around to clean in 40,50,60,70 years? Unlikely. If it hasn't broken after the warranty period, you've updated to the latest model. Your opinion can change, you've only had the Dyson for a month, in 5 years will you still be satisfied with your purchase? Will the Dyson still be in one piece in 10,20 years?
Compared to the modern range of bagless, Dyson is leading the market in performance.in my opinion, There is only two bagless vacuums that can excel the latest Dyson models in cleaning, and those two are Fantom and Amway. Honestly, if I had to pick a modern bagless to use,I would choose Dyson. While it does out perform other models, the $700 price tag is ridiculous. The thing is, though, people will pay this price just to one-up their friends. You could buy multiple better bagged vacuums that would out last Dyson for that price, but the market is only concerned with bagless. Bags have become a forgotten art, despite their superiority to bagless, but this is not the place to rant on the matter.
Parwaz- I'm not sure about Britain, but in America the beds have about 5 inches of clearance between them and the floor. Even the mighty Kirby could not clear that gap. However, the Dyson has trouble under tables, chairs and etc. It's easy to scratch your furniture with the Dyson (and I'm not hating on Dyson, many bagless cleaners have this problem). The problem is bulk, and lots of it. I can imagine the ball technology could make furniture damage an easy accident.
Oh and Marcusprit, the Bel Air was one of Chevrolet's biggest successes, and you don't see many people knocking those!
Compared to the modern range of bagless, Dyson is leading the market in performance.in my opinion, There is only two bagless vacuums that can excel the latest Dyson models in cleaning, and those two are Fantom and Amway. Honestly, if I had to pick a modern bagless to use,I would choose Dyson. While it does out perform other models, the $700 price tag is ridiculous. The thing is, though, people will pay this price just to one-up their friends. You could buy multiple better bagged vacuums that would out last Dyson for that price, but the market is only concerned with bagless. Bags have become a forgotten art, despite their superiority to bagless, but this is not the place to rant on the matter.
Parwaz- I'm not sure about Britain, but in America the beds have about 5 inches of clearance between them and the floor. Even the mighty Kirby could not clear that gap. However, the Dyson has trouble under tables, chairs and etc. It's easy to scratch your furniture with the Dyson (and I'm not hating on Dyson, many bagless cleaners have this problem). The problem is bulk, and lots of it. I can imagine the ball technology could make furniture damage an easy accident.
Oh and Marcusprit, the Bel Air was one of Chevrolet's biggest successes, and you don't see many people knocking those!
super-sweeper
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I find it hard to believe, but I'll look forward to the picture! If I remember tomorrow I'll snap a picture of other machines and how far they can reach under the bed for comparison!
By the way the only reasons you see Dysons all over eBay is because of the filters. People dont wash them, so they either lose suction or that causes the motor to burn out. It could even be something else! Like a blockage, or the clutch being turned off which some people dont know about the brush controls believe it or not!
If people wash the filters at least every six months, they will be fine. It's the only maintenance the vacuum needs, a filter wash just as little as twice a year and it will never lose suction under normal domestic use. dyson state this clearly in their manuals and on the machine they try to make people aware of the filters with stickers etc!
If people wash the filters at least every six months, they will be fine. It's the only maintenance the vacuum needs, a filter wash just as little as twice a year and it will never lose suction under normal domestic use. dyson state this clearly in their manuals and on the machine they try to make people aware of the filters with stickers etc!
I'm going to say is The Dyson DC 65 and Dc41mk2 would definitely out claim a fantom and amway The older Dysons wouldn't and Dyson doesn't cost $700 you can get a Dyson DC 65 for about $450. The problem I find this fact machines as I don't like as the dirt just sits in a bag to rot.
super-sweeper
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Dyson boy,I popped into Target last night and looked at the DC65, it was $600 or $700, forget which. Nope, wasn't going to buy one, not a chance!
It's 7:20 pm in sunny Florida. You're absolutely right, people get rid of their vacuums for all kinds of stupid reasons, good idea about the ruler!
It's 7:20 pm in sunny Florida. You're absolutely right, people get rid of their vacuums for all kinds of stupid reasons, good idea about the ruler!
turbo500
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I agree with super-sweeper. The Dyson is a good performer and certainly the best bagless vacuum on the market. My biggest objection to Dyson are the false "no loss of suction" claim and the price tag for a vacuum that's performance is less of a lot of cheaper machines and with lesser build quality. £400+ for a cheap, Malaysian made heap of plastic is not acceptable. The price you pay is all going into R&D to keep refining the cleaner. I would personally rather have a machine with it's slight flaws, but that's a lot more solid.
I've also noticed that, like Mr. Dyson himself, a lot of the Dyson fans (NOT ALL!)_tend to be blinded by them and refuse to accept the critique. No machine is perfect, but there are far too many people who seem to think that Dyson can do no wrong, and it's not true.
It's no secret that I'm a big fan of Sebo's, but I accept that their cleaners have flaws and I also appreciate, enjoy and even own a whole variety of other machines, old and new. I think a lot of the die-hard Dyson fans, whilst in no way diminishing their Dyson fandom, need to broaden their horrizons a bit.
I've also noticed that, like Mr. Dyson himself, a lot of the Dyson fans (NOT ALL!)_tend to be blinded by them and refuse to accept the critique. No machine is perfect, but there are far too many people who seem to think that Dyson can do no wrong, and it's not true.
It's no secret that I'm a big fan of Sebo's, but I accept that their cleaners have flaws and I also appreciate, enjoy and even own a whole variety of other machines, old and new. I think a lot of the die-hard Dyson fans, whilst in no way diminishing their Dyson fandom, need to broaden their horrizons a bit.
sebo_fan
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Going flat and under beds are two different things...
Parwaz - respectively although I'm not an expert on beds, most modern beds in Britain aren't British designed - but rather flat pack and assembled for sale in the UK. Some come from America, some come from IKEA but most of the budget ones come from Asia.
Most beds in Britain are those horrid divans. And I say that with great experience. The divans that have no space underneath to get a vacuum under because of tiny little castors that dig into the carpet and you get a cheap wood/chipboard frame with sliding doors or storage underneath. Those who pay more expensively for "Scandinavian" designed bed frames get an open space underneath - however the sizes differ dependent on the style of the frame rather than the depth underneath.
My late parents king size double frame was purchased originally from Habitat in the 1990s. It's an old one but by god is it sturdy and durable! It is also heavy and requires three people to move it.
It has a 10" clearance between the frame and the carpet. My old Vax Mach Air (not a main size upright you might agree on) used to scuff its bin at the front when the Vax was laid flat and even it couldn't lay flat because of the hose and its central hinge at the back.
That's the thing about most upright vacs today - they will lay flat at an angle close to 180 degrees, but not completely - helped by a huge hinge in the middle where the motor is placed and/or where the pivotal section that pushes the floor head down onto carpet. Older uprights have better, smaller necks in which cleaning flat can be exercised - but it also comes down to the design of the dust box, dust bag or bagless bin. I find I get more trouble with rounded bin vacuums under beds than the more angular styles offered by SEBO. Even the Felix can get under my parents bed, but it all comes down to the design of the whole vacuum when laying flat.
The "non-German" upright that I used to use to get under the bed was our old Oreck XL - but then I used to find that the floor head use to rise up and not allow the brush roll to maintain constant carpet cleaning.
Parwaz - respectively although I'm not an expert on beds, most modern beds in Britain aren't British designed - but rather flat pack and assembled for sale in the UK. Some come from America, some come from IKEA but most of the budget ones come from Asia.
Most beds in Britain are those horrid divans. And I say that with great experience. The divans that have no space underneath to get a vacuum under because of tiny little castors that dig into the carpet and you get a cheap wood/chipboard frame with sliding doors or storage underneath. Those who pay more expensively for "Scandinavian" designed bed frames get an open space underneath - however the sizes differ dependent on the style of the frame rather than the depth underneath.
My late parents king size double frame was purchased originally from Habitat in the 1990s. It's an old one but by god is it sturdy and durable! It is also heavy and requires three people to move it.
It has a 10" clearance between the frame and the carpet. My old Vax Mach Air (not a main size upright you might agree on) used to scuff its bin at the front when the Vax was laid flat and even it couldn't lay flat because of the hose and its central hinge at the back.
That's the thing about most upright vacs today - they will lay flat at an angle close to 180 degrees, but not completely - helped by a huge hinge in the middle where the motor is placed and/or where the pivotal section that pushes the floor head down onto carpet. Older uprights have better, smaller necks in which cleaning flat can be exercised - but it also comes down to the design of the dust box, dust bag or bagless bin. I find I get more trouble with rounded bin vacuums under beds than the more angular styles offered by SEBO. Even the Felix can get under my parents bed, but it all comes down to the design of the whole vacuum when laying flat.
The "non-German" upright that I used to use to get under the bed was our old Oreck XL - but then I used to find that the floor head use to rise up and not allow the brush roll to maintain constant carpet cleaning.
Turbo 500 dyson is certainly a good performer. My biggest objection is
the false no loss of suction Claim but I am sorry but I certainly don't agree with you The new Dysons Are definitely no loss of suction and the old ones I don't think Are not loss of suction but the new ones are just fantastic and is has been proven to not lose suction I don't understand you think they're not but it's been prove. Performance is less than a lot of cheaper machines i'm sorry but the new Dyson been proven to clean carpets hard floors better than any other vacuum cleaner I Asked Dysons is it tested against Sebo and yes it was it was testing against their top performing model. And and the build quality was rubbish build quality is rubbish Well you're saying most machines Have crap Build quality cause every machine is even made out of ABS polycarbonate or both other manufacturers make in different ways you can make it flexible Or a couple different ways reason dice make it flexible as you can except more force and is very unlikely to break under pressure pets old Dysons as they were pretty brittle Dyson doesn't cost £400 A Dyson DC 41 MKII for £320 anything cheap plastic again it's plastic has been proven to last 10 years The Dyson is imperfect like other vacuums A lot people just like to pick them out they don't like the brand or have the old ones think you refuse to see Dyson has finally made a machine that can compete with you Sebo and in some cases out clean. Sorry but I don't think you can actually coming on and the new Dysons as you haven't actually have the new ones. I for the bad spelling is took a long time to doing fine doesn't always write everything I say
the false no loss of suction Claim but I am sorry but I certainly don't agree with you The new Dysons Are definitely no loss of suction and the old ones I don't think Are not loss of suction but the new ones are just fantastic and is has been proven to not lose suction I don't understand you think they're not but it's been prove. Performance is less than a lot of cheaper machines i'm sorry but the new Dyson been proven to clean carpets hard floors better than any other vacuum cleaner I Asked Dysons is it tested against Sebo and yes it was it was testing against their top performing model. And and the build quality was rubbish build quality is rubbish Well you're saying most machines Have crap Build quality cause every machine is even made out of ABS polycarbonate or both other manufacturers make in different ways you can make it flexible Or a couple different ways reason dice make it flexible as you can except more force and is very unlikely to break under pressure pets old Dysons as they were pretty brittle Dyson doesn't cost £400 A Dyson DC 41 MKII for £320 anything cheap plastic again it's plastic has been proven to last 10 years The Dyson is imperfect like other vacuums A lot people just like to pick them out they don't like the brand or have the old ones think you refuse to see Dyson has finally made a machine that can compete with you Sebo and in some cases out clean. Sorry but I don't think you can actually coming on and the new Dysons as you haven't actually have the new ones. I for the bad spelling is took a long time to doing fine doesn't always write everything I say
sebo_fan
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Why does there always need to be the word "prove" used whenever a Dyson model or the name is mentioned?
Secondly, why do Dyson filters exist that you can buy for those new models? They can't all be breaking down in the first three weeks of ownership, surely?
Thirdly, nothing "can be proved." We can have members on here glossing over new models and testing them straight out of the box to show how well a particular model picks up, or if it has a fancy new design element that is supposed to be easier than previous efforts. That doesn't prove better pick up.
But then I think watching those kinds of videos often give a better impression of what brands would have you believe rather than so-called "independent" testing by the brand.
Dyson's "independent" testing - if it is a test that has been carried out by the selling brand, I would doubt anything they say that "proves" their model is better. Of course they are never going to say, "well the SEBO was better at laying flat because our Dyson design doesn't go that far," or "Well the SEBO offers variable suction control, whereas we don't.." Not exactly independent then.
If it is an independent testing ground that genuinely points out pros and cons, I would half believe it. but the criteria would have to be the same. Here is where Which? Consumer mag have let themselves down - they have lessened the amount of useful to know testing specifics and do not test every vacuum cleaner they test with the same information to tell the consumer.
Regardless of whether it is a Dyson, SEBO, Miele, Numatic or any other brand.
Secondly, why do Dyson filters exist that you can buy for those new models? They can't all be breaking down in the first three weeks of ownership, surely?
Thirdly, nothing "can be proved." We can have members on here glossing over new models and testing them straight out of the box to show how well a particular model picks up, or if it has a fancy new design element that is supposed to be easier than previous efforts. That doesn't prove better pick up.
But then I think watching those kinds of videos often give a better impression of what brands would have you believe rather than so-called "independent" testing by the brand.
Dyson's "independent" testing - if it is a test that has been carried out by the selling brand, I would doubt anything they say that "proves" their model is better. Of course they are never going to say, "well the SEBO was better at laying flat because our Dyson design doesn't go that far," or "Well the SEBO offers variable suction control, whereas we don't.." Not exactly independent then.
If it is an independent testing ground that genuinely points out pros and cons, I would half believe it. but the criteria would have to be the same. Here is where Which? Consumer mag have let themselves down - they have lessened the amount of useful to know testing specifics and do not test every vacuum cleaner they test with the same information to tell the consumer.
Regardless of whether it is a Dyson, SEBO, Miele, Numatic or any other brand.
OK super sweeper, I got some pics of my DC14 going under the bed a bit with two ruler pics included measuring the gap underneath the bed in CM and inches
As you can see in the last pic the motor unit can fit underneath, but the post filter bit sticks out, but it cal still go under furniture a bit like I said, it measures nearly 24 cm and just about 9 inches
It's alright really, but it's no DC03
As you can see in the last pic the motor unit can fit underneath, but the post filter bit sticks out, but it cal still go under furniture a bit like I said, it measures nearly 24 cm and just about 9 inches
It's alright really, but it's no DC03
Claims done by Dyson has to be proved by industry-standard it doesn't meet the standards of the claim can't be made.Dyson do many tests to prove their machines clean betterthey test the machines multiple bins full of Dust and they put the machine on the testing facility.and tested on multiple carpets and hard floor they test Machine has been battered and had lots and lots of dust put in it Machine is tested the dust inside If a another manufacturer fine is the claim to be false they can sue the company with the Claim . You know what Dysons is Ike they don't get sued so they make sure everything is in order make sure the claim is on breakable.
sebo_fan
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Mmm, but that Dyson is not "under a bed" though - the floor head has only been put under the perimeter of the bed, Parwaz. I think you might know what I mean by my own pics.
and the digital slim models can too, but they are cordless stick handy quick grab and go sort of vacs though 
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