My DC41 MK2. I must be mad!
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madaboutsebo
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I only noticed when they zoomed in on the vacuum and showed the underside of the cleaning head as it had the additional velour strips around the side and back of the soleplate.
sptyks
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If you guys want to talk about Air Watts, I'll take my Kirby Sentria any day. The Sentria has a total of 418 Air Watts as calculated by the following formula which I obtained from Wikipedia:
cleaning power (air watts)= airflow (CFM) × suction (inches of water) / 8.5
cleaning power (air watts)= airflow (CFM) × suction (inches of water) / 8.5
oliveoiltinfoil
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Okay who was talking about air watts ?
rolls_rapide
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Dyson's adjustable slider
I am surprised, to say the least.
Years ago, James Dyson made a big thing of the lack of fiddly dials and sliders on his uprights. Now we have fiddly sliders. My, how times change!
Clearly, one size doesn't fit all.
I am surprised, to say the least.
Years ago, James Dyson made a big thing of the lack of fiddly dials and sliders on his uprights. Now we have fiddly sliders. My, how times change!
Clearly, one size doesn't fit all.
sebo_fan
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And there was the old SEBO C series with 1500 watts and 425 air watts...
oliveoiltinfoil
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A "fiddly slider" with two positions ? Hardly contradictory. No one else has thought of this, and it works wonderfully when it is down on carpets. It is much harder to push though because it sticks itself, especially on thicker carpets. I would imagine in the future, dyson may refine this and it have more of a foot operated pedal, or it may even be self adjusting, like the sole plate.
I have a bedroom carpet which is really thick and is difficult to vacuum, even with a DC07 origin with 330 AW and a newish brushbar, new belt, a full clean and an easy life. The carpet is not shag, but plush, approx an inch, if not the. 3/4 of an inch, I hope the DC41 Mk2 is good for carpet like this
Also. I have used my DC04 today and the sole plate wasn't sealing to the floor unless I push it slowly, or tilt the vacuum at a certain angle because of the internal hose losing its flexibility, it's not really good now because a small hose lets the good suction down.
Also. I have used my DC04 today and the sole plate wasn't sealing to the floor unless I push it slowly, or tilt the vacuum at a certain angle because of the internal hose losing its flexibility, it's not really good now because a small hose lets the good suction down.
sebo_fan
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"Fiddly Dials," is exactly the phrase that Dyson's own video of the DC41 states that it tries to avoid.
Well, not here if that slider is anything to go by. Im puzzled as to why this vacuum cleaner has a "self adjusting head" but then a manual slider?
Also, does this model clean flat to the floor?
Well, not here if that slider is anything to go by. Im puzzled as to why this vacuum cleaner has a "self adjusting head" but then a manual slider?
Also, does this model clean flat to the floor?
oliveoiltinfoil
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Right I really don't know how to explain it any simpler. The rubber lip is merely optional. When it comes out of the box, the lip is lowered. It is to do with controlling the amount of suction at the cleaner head. It means, unlike any other vacuum, the rubber lip creates a much greater seal, concentrating the SUCTION more so on carpets. Using the DC41 MK2 on hard flooring with this lip lowered means it is very difficult to push, which is why you can raise it. It also means large debris will fit underneath the head rather than being pushed around. My Felix and just about every other upright pushes cat litter and larger debris around. Raising the lip stops it. It even works on carpets. If you are picking up a mess on carpets, like rice, as you can see in the video I had the lip lowered, as you would usually use it when vacuuming, but because I was picking up large particles, I raised it and the snow ploughing stopped. It is a genius idea and one that works and of course, dyson patented it. I asked about it.
I appreciate dyson patenting their ideas, because, some of you may cringe when I say this, some of their designs are genius, like the tangle free turbine and active base plate. It means when one pays a lot of money for a dyson, they are investing in cutting edge technology in these aspects, its what makes it a better vacuum. And before anyone thinks I am made or over exaggerating, it is funny that when the patents run out, like dysons dual and multi cyclonic systems now have, other manufacturers where immediate to use the same principal in their vacuums.
I also still find it most amusing how people can come to an immediate conclusion that this is still just a pathetic overpriced dyson when they haven't even seen one in flesh, let alone use one.
I appreciate dyson patenting their ideas, because, some of you may cringe when I say this, some of their designs are genius, like the tangle free turbine and active base plate. It means when one pays a lot of money for a dyson, they are investing in cutting edge technology in these aspects, its what makes it a better vacuum. And before anyone thinks I am made or over exaggerating, it is funny that when the patents run out, like dysons dual and multi cyclonic systems now have, other manufacturers where immediate to use the same principal in their vacuums.
I also still find it most amusing how people can come to an immediate conclusion that this is still just a pathetic overpriced dyson when they haven't even seen one in flesh, let alone use one.
sebo_fan
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Oh Yes I recall how versatile the mk1 City Vac was when I bought one. Hardly any universal tools let alone Dyson tools could fit it. By the time I discovered Dyson's secondary tool kit that could be bought on top of what I got with my City Vac, I think I had spent enough.
With all your experience though, can you tell me if it cleans flat to a floor - and I mean right to the floor with the handle hovering just over the carpet pile?
With all your experience though, can you tell me if it cleans flat to a floor - and I mean right to the floor with the handle hovering just over the carpet pile?
oliveoiltinfoil
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Don't quite know what you mean, "flat to the floor"
sebo_fan
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Like this?
madaboutsebo
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I would say it doesn't lie flat to the floor. The only Dyson Upright that has truely done this I would say is the DC03. When I've asked Dyson in the past about their uprights doing this function I was advise you can use the hose/wand with a floor tool to get under low furniture or use the digital slim!! Shame they don't try to make their upright lie flat to floor, be a challenge for the Engineers!
oliveoiltinfoil
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Oh right! I know what you mean now. No it doesn't. Think I mentioned already, its one thing I miss that the sebo does beautifully. The dyson lies flatter than I thought it would, but not completely back. The ball itself isn't the problem, its more to do with the head lifting up, its as if like with some vacuums with pedals you can depress the pedal twice and they lie flat. I reckon it could be engineered to be like that. If they made the main body of the vacuum to pivot more, it would lie flat. I would have thought the ball would get in the way, but it doesn't.
Yes, dysons excuse is to sue the extension wand and a tool attachment, which you can sue, but who is going to do that every time they vacuum under their bed? Much easier if it would lie flat on its own. I am sure the digital slim would do it fine, but that isn't very good, to spend another £300 just to do that. Its not a huge problem, I have had vacuums which are more difficult to vacuum under furniture, like the MR lift away, but there we are.
Yes, dysons excuse is to sue the extension wand and a tool attachment, which you can sue, but who is going to do that every time they vacuum under their bed? Much easier if it would lie flat on its own. I am sure the digital slim would do it fine, but that isn't very good, to spend another £300 just to do that. Its not a huge problem, I have had vacuums which are more difficult to vacuum under furniture, like the MR lift away, but there we are.
sptyks
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Air Watts...
It was I who spoke of air watts earlier. My Kirby Sentria has 418 air watts and it is a beast. I will put it up against any dyson when I'm cleaning. It doesn't matter if I'm picking up large particles like rice or fine dirt and dust, the Kirby's nozzle with steel rug plate has a height that is quickly adjusted by only a touch of my toe. There's no bending over to flip some switch on the nozzle to raise or lower a rubber lip to control suction. The Kirby's fan is less than 3 inches from the floor and moves a massive amount of air (418 air watts) between the floor and the bag.
I don't need to worry about washing any messy filters or cyclone assy. I Just change my oderless HEPA bag once every 3-4 months. Takes less than 3 minutes and is mess free.
And gee, I wonder which vacuum will still be running like new 25 years from now, Dyson or Kirby?
It was I who spoke of air watts earlier. My Kirby Sentria has 418 air watts and it is a beast. I will put it up against any dyson when I'm cleaning. It doesn't matter if I'm picking up large particles like rice or fine dirt and dust, the Kirby's nozzle with steel rug plate has a height that is quickly adjusted by only a touch of my toe. There's no bending over to flip some switch on the nozzle to raise or lower a rubber lip to control suction. The Kirby's fan is less than 3 inches from the floor and moves a massive amount of air (418 air watts) between the floor and the bag.
I don't need to worry about washing any messy filters or cyclone assy. I Just change my oderless HEPA bag once every 3-4 months. Takes less than 3 minutes and is mess free.
And gee, I wonder which vacuum will still be running like new 25 years from now, Dyson or Kirby?
It looks like you're trying to start an argument /Dyson vs Kirby war for where it is not needed. And for the price I think I'm rather Dyson £320 versus over £1000 for vacuum cleaner and I think I rather buy a vacuum from a company that doesn't con people and bullies you to buy it [this post was last edited: 9/27/2014-19:25]
sptyks
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Dys0nb0y,
The purpose of this forum is so that anyone who is intetrersted in vacuums can share their thoughts and opinions about them. That is all that I am doing here. It's not a war unless you make it a war.
I bought my slightly used Kirby Sentria with all attachments and carpet shampoo system for $190.00 on ebay. All it needed was a new brushroll, belt and bag (cost $35.00). I shined up the metal with some Mother's polish and now it shines and runs like new. So for way less money than you spent your new dyson, I got a much better vacuum that will last me a lifetime. There's no need to spend $1500 on a new Kirby. If you're patient. you can get a great deal on a slightly used Kirby. Mine came from an estate sale where the owner had passed away.
The purpose of this forum is so that anyone who is intetrersted in vacuums can share their thoughts and opinions about them. That is all that I am doing here. It's not a war unless you make it a war.
I bought my slightly used Kirby Sentria with all attachments and carpet shampoo system for $190.00 on ebay. All it needed was a new brushroll, belt and bag (cost $35.00). I shined up the metal with some Mother's polish and now it shines and runs like new. So for way less money than you spent your new dyson, I got a much better vacuum that will last me a lifetime. There's no need to spend $1500 on a new Kirby. If you're patient. you can get a great deal on a slightly used Kirby. Mine came from an estate sale where the owner had passed away.
Yes the purposes here is to share your opinion on vacuums but this thread is about someone's new Dyson not about Kirby is about Dyson.if you want to talk about your Kirby create your own thread.[this post was last edited: 9/27/2014-20:02]
oliveoiltinfoil
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Yeah I am getting a bit sick and tired of hearing about how Kirby is simply better in everyway to a dyson and all this bs. One of my mothers neighbours who I know quite well, shelled out £1500 for a Kirby a couple fo years ago, but sold it to get a Dyson as they could not get on with it. Having to un-attach this and re-attach that just to use the hose it not very user friendly. It still uses bags and that puts off people more and more now. Some say there is no excuse for vacuums to use bags anymore and is nothing more than a way for manufacturers to make sure there is some regular cash flow, that people will still buy bags from them and no one else, as they all say to use genuine bags or you void your warrantee. That is another war we could start on which is better - bagged or bag less. I have a bagged and bagless machine and prefer the bagless machine a lot more than a bagged machine. Until someone pointed out to me that I was carrying around a container with rotting decaying dirt that I have collected for days on end isn't very encouraging. Even if that is nothing to worry about, the smell is horrible. I have never issues with bad smells coming from any bagless machine. What has often put me off from buying bagless are the poor seals around the dust containers and lids which seep out dust. Thankfully, the dyson has substantial rubber seals, does not leak a spec of dust.
Also, only a few people will be comfortable with buying a used vacuum.
Also, only a few people will be comfortable with buying a used vacuum.
super-sweeper
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Reply 128- I cringed most of all! Not all of their ideas are terrible, mainly Dual-Cyclonic (NOT 50 mini-cyclones crammed into a bin!) And that tangle-free tool thingy, although if you try hard enough you can still tangle it!
Even the mighty Kirby has to be switched into tool mode for beds! Unless your bed is about 2 feet off the ground, you better hope you're vacuuming with a canister! People are flat-out lazy if they can't pop the handle off and grab the floor brush from the closet! I guess spring cleaning has become a forgotten art! When the dust calls, I have the Kirby and it's neat carry-strap ready in a flash, them I'm about the house, carrying the attachment case with me! Now, before somebody throws a fit and says something about me being against Dyson, I don't run around the house with the Fantom in tow! As great as a vacuum it is, I leave it's hose for quick crevices and pick-up, plus occasionally floors (Fantom has the floor tool on-board, too!). One thing I give Dyson credit for being able to revert the wand, and use it as if it was the wand of a canister. If Fantom could do this, it would be icing on the cake! But foolish Dyson did away with this after the DC07! Now you have to pull it out of the cleaner, and hold it at an awkward angle!
Bla bla air watts, Kirby or Dyson, either way the carpet is clean! Well, one is likely to be cleaner than the other....
Even the mighty Kirby has to be switched into tool mode for beds! Unless your bed is about 2 feet off the ground, you better hope you're vacuuming with a canister! People are flat-out lazy if they can't pop the handle off and grab the floor brush from the closet! I guess spring cleaning has become a forgotten art! When the dust calls, I have the Kirby and it's neat carry-strap ready in a flash, them I'm about the house, carrying the attachment case with me! Now, before somebody throws a fit and says something about me being against Dyson, I don't run around the house with the Fantom in tow! As great as a vacuum it is, I leave it's hose for quick crevices and pick-up, plus occasionally floors (Fantom has the floor tool on-board, too!). One thing I give Dyson credit for being able to revert the wand, and use it as if it was the wand of a canister. If Fantom could do this, it would be icing on the cake! But foolish Dyson did away with this after the DC07! Now you have to pull it out of the cleaner, and hold it at an awkward angle!
Bla bla air watts, Kirby or Dyson, either way the carpet is clean! Well, one is likely to be cleaner than the other....
oliveoiltinfoil
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Okay.
super-sweeper
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Get some sleep, Oli! Your reply hasn't made sense since 5:11 AM!
oliveoiltinfoil
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Okay so that is nothing to do with the time zone difference between the UK and US?
sebo_fan
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Dont worry Oli, Super-Sweeper is like another member on here - they reflect on what they don't own and offer judgement.
My argument with Dyson all along has been cost price.
It is the same with Kirby in the UK; Far too pricey.
Same with Oreck UK; many buyers end up buying Oreck models second hand off EBay UK because the UK prices brand new are not cost effective.
When I was your age, I though Miele and SEBO vacuums were expensive to buy. When it came to actual ownership, it made a lot of sense compared to other brands and models I owned.
My argument with Dyson all along has been cost price.
It is the same with Kirby in the UK; Far too pricey.
Same with Oreck UK; many buyers end up buying Oreck models second hand off EBay UK because the UK prices brand new are not cost effective.
When I was your age, I though Miele and SEBO vacuums were expensive to buy. When it came to actual ownership, it made a lot of sense compared to other brands and models I owned.
super-sweeper
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My apologies, I forgot about the time difference! Here in Florida it's 7:00 in the morning!
Sebo guy, who are you comparing me to? Have you not been paying attention to my previous replies? You do not have to own something to have an opinion, do I need to own the president to form an opinion on him?
Let me provide you with a different example:
So this guy named Rick goes out to town and buys a Mercedes. He owns his Mercedes for 3 months, then it blows a transmission.based off his experience, I can say that his Mercedes was a terrible car. When you continue to see Mercedes with problems, you can say that the model is defective.when the problems spread across other models, you can say that Mercedes is not a quality car (not saying that Mercedes isn't a quality car, but I had to use some brand of car for this example!).
Sebo guy, who are you comparing me to? Have you not been paying attention to my previous replies? You do not have to own something to have an opinion, do I need to own the president to form an opinion on him?
Let me provide you with a different example:
So this guy named Rick goes out to town and buys a Mercedes. He owns his Mercedes for 3 months, then it blows a transmission.based off his experience, I can say that his Mercedes was a terrible car. When you continue to see Mercedes with problems, you can say that the model is defective.when the problems spread across other models, you can say that Mercedes is not a quality car (not saying that Mercedes isn't a quality car, but I had to use some brand of car for this example!).
sebo_fan
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You do not have to own anything to have an opinion. But filling up every thread on this forum with your opinion with constant reference to old vacuums isn't exactly sharing an opinion of new content.
For example, I wouldn't say Mercedes is a bad car from your example - I would say there could be reasons to why the transmission blew as to the ownership and duress in which that owner has put the car through. Your example lacks detail in terms of that actual usage.
Furthermore, if the same problem occurs across every model in the MB range, then you could say that the brand has defective problems, but I wouldn't say that MB is NOT a quality brand based on that detail.
Quality after all can mean a lot of aspects - not just build or design elements.
For example, I wouldn't say Mercedes is a bad car from your example - I would say there could be reasons to why the transmission blew as to the ownership and duress in which that owner has put the car through. Your example lacks detail in terms of that actual usage.
Furthermore, if the same problem occurs across every model in the MB range, then you could say that the brand has defective problems, but I wouldn't say that MB is NOT a quality brand based on that detail.
Quality after all can mean a lot of aspects - not just build or design elements.
oliveoiltinfoil
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You can hardly compare your opinions of a president, to someone else's bloody vacuum cleaner! What the president does affects you in virtually every single way. What vacuum cleaner I have doesn't. It is foolish to judge if you like or do not like a PRODUCT based on here-say. I love my sebo. It is a beautifully made vacuum with good performance and it is nice to use. I love my dyson. It is a well engineered vacuum, very easy to use and brilliant performance. Nothing in life is perfect. I can point out thing I don't like on either vacuums. For goodness sake this is a vacuum thread, not a debate on next year general election.
daknx1994
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Can we all just let someone enjoy their new vacuum? Oli, if I may call you that, started this thread to talk about his new Dyson, and describe his amazement with it. Everyone here on this forum is going to have likes and dislikes about certain brands and machines. I see this in other threads that involve not just Dyson's. It gets to a point though where in every Dyson thread, it never ends without a war on how terrible or pricey they are or how another brand is somehow so superior to the Dyson. I will admit I am not a fan of the brand, but I have to give Dyson a credit for trying and changing the vacuum market in general. As far as bag/bagless, again everyone will have their own opinion. One in not necessarily better than the other. Each is going to have their own advantages and disadvantages. It all depends on how the owner uses the vacuum and takes care of it. I have seen bagless vacuums years old, that do not have a smell and just need a good cleaning. At the same time I have seen bagged vacuums in just the most terrible state because the owner overfilled the bag or only changes it every so often causing odors to build up. The same can be said of bagless.
So for the sake of this thread can we all just agree with our differences in preference, and let Oli tells us about his new Dyson?
So for the sake of this thread can we all just agree with our differences in preference, and let Oli tells us about his new Dyson?
oliveoiltinfoil
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THANK YOU! Took the words straight out of my mouth.
