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Greenpeace actually ...

... doesn't even save the whales.

Greenpeace is posing and marketing the illusion of saving the planet. They have an army of gullible volunteers and paid canvassers who have been talked into believing that Greenpeace is really saving the environment and saving whales in particular. In reality, it's a multi-billion dollar money-grubbing bureaucracy.

These are actual quotes from Greenpeace spokespersons:

"Greenpeace is not opposed to whaling in principle." - John Frizell, Director of Greenpeace International.

"As a natural scientist I cannot accept that Greenpeace is opposed to whaling. One must be allowed to harvest a renewable resource. To me, this is an important principle." - Leif Ryvarden, former Chairman of Greenpeace Norway.

Still think Greenpeace is what you think it is??
 
"they did have quite a heavy advertising based on their original beliefs."

You mean their original propaganda.

They never "believed" in any of it, right from the start.
 
disposable nappys

i was born in 1957 my mum used terry nappies for all four of her children when we were finished with them they were put away years later when my first child was born in 1974 they were given to me and used again hows that for getting your moneys worth out of somthing .they were washed in a Parnell wringer washer the water was used for three or four loads before being discarded not like todays machines using water for every load . i dont know what goes on over there in the states but most english women [and i use that term extremely loosely] would not know what to do with a load of soiled nappys the kind i deal with on a daily basis are to busy watching day time tv while stuffing there faces with junk food and cant get through a full sentence without at least one F word oh yes then theres the manicured finger nails to worry about cant have them damaged can we I know this is going to cause a riot do i care do i Fxxxxxxx its true i know i see it every day
 
Anthony, I do agree with you about women today, although the same cannot be said for them all. There are still plenty of younger men and women that make fantastic parents, work full time and are generally regarded as respectable, contributing members of society.

However, equally, I see my fair share of "chavy scum" parents. Just the other week I was in the co-op in Leeds by the bus station and saw a woman with about 10 kids with her - must've been on a day trip out. She was buying them all drinks. One young boy picked up a bottle of water whilst all the others went for fizzy drinks. Her response was "ya wan' wa-er? I'm not f*ckin' payin' fa wa-er. Ya can av a f*ckin coke!". VILE woman. For starters, nobody should use that language infront of children. Secondly, she should be GLAD that any child would opt for water over a fizzy drink - any decent parent would want that.

I think people today, on the whole, are lazy. Young mothers, although a lot are perfectly fit Mum's, do not appreciate how hard it was years ago. Everything is so convenient now.

My Grandma, for example, has 5 kids. She was washing for 7 in a tub and mangle until 1962 when she got her first twin tub. My Mum still remembers the day she got it and recalls it being like all her birthdays come at once. My Grandma did all the cooking, cleaning and worked part time, later full time, at McIntosh's in Halifax and later at Cossett Carpets in Bradford. My Mum's family didn't even have a TV until 1968.

We need to really appreciate how far we have come and how convenient a lot of things in life are now.

RE: Terrys nappies. I was born in 1990 and Mum still used Terrys nappies with me. She'd soak them in boiling water and napisan in an old tin bucket before putting them through the washing machine.
 
Reminds me of Ch.4's Super Scrimpers

I love the programme on Channel 4 called "Super Scrimpers." There's a lot to learn off there as well as stuff I've seen before. Last week one old lady was featured who would use up "everything" from off cuts of bread for bread and butter pudding to bread cake. The other thing she used were empty egg shells to break up all over her garden to stop the slugs from spreading as they don't like a cracked surface.

I think the worst thing I ever recall one of my mates telling me (and he was born before I was) that every sunday, the whole family would get together for that "one meal" Sunday roast - and wondered why his mother never ate much. During the morning, it seems as was the English trait at that time, many working women in the household would SCRAPE the fat and oil off the grill pan and royally add it to a piece of buttered toast. This "DRIPPING" soon became a household favourite - though I really couldn't imagine eating it myself!
 
that

story sounds so familiar turbo and your right of course not all of todays parents are like that my mum held down two jobs and managed to look after four kids in those days a washer and a vacuum cleaner were luxurys these days there just taken for granted oh and just for the record bread and dripping was part of the everyday diet down here in yorkshire you can still buy in morrisons what the elderly call dirty fat its dripping in a tub some of my customers buy it all the time . getting back to the chavs what really worries me is the total lack of even basic manners i experience this everyday people living like animals filthy homes knocking kids out like shelling peas its a ticking time bomb god help us when it goes off my dad used to say if we ever had another war we would be fxxked
 
Parenting

It's SO good to meet people of similar opinions. A friend of mine (now deceased) raised her children in 'Terry' nappies (early 1990s). She was the only member of 'my generation' (she was actually younger than me by about a decade) that I knew who used them. She said it saved her a fortune.

Your comment, Turbo500, is self explanatory... 'Any DECENT parent'.. Chavvy scum are NOT decent parents.... they are not even decent citizens.

Parenting (IMHO) is a full time (24/7, not 8/5) job, if it is to be done properly, and usually needs the added support of a strong community. It requires a level of commitment which I have always felt unable to provide, which is another reason (one of many) why I never raised children. I have the very deepest repect for decent parents everywhere, but feel that some people are truly unfit to breed.

How's that for opinionated?? ;-)

Rant over...

Dave T
 
MY parents ...

When I was born in 1969 (just nine months after my parents were married), my grandpa surprised my grandma with a brand-new "automatic" washer and matching dryer. Realizing that a new mom really doesn't have the time to be running back and forth to a laundromat every day, Grandma passed down her old (manual!) ringer washer to the happy young couple. My mom would launder all those dirty diapers during the day, and it was my dad's job after he got home from work to run those wet diapers down to the laundromat to dry.

My dad saw it as a minor annoyance, but not too terribly bad; he definitely got the easier end of the deal, just shuttling piles of diapers down to the laundromat, sticking them in the dryer, then going next door to the bar for a couple of beers to watch whatever game happened to be on on their big color television set (my parents did not yet have a color TV).

Mom and Dad knew this couldn't last forever, so they were now in the market for a dryer to eliminate all those trips to the laundromat. A matching washer AND dryer, though, was still way out of their budget.

Then one week Mom got sick, and Dad had to do ALL the laundering -- and running to the laundromat for drying.

The next week they went to Sears to buy that new dryer. The salesman approached them and asked what they were looking for. Mom replied "We're looking for a gas dryer." Dad quickly interjected. "No, we're looking for a washer AND dryer." That was that.

The next day Mom proudly accepted delivery of a shiny new matching avocado green Lady Kenmore washer and dryer set.

Sometimes I wonder if Mom didn't plan that whole thing after all ...
 
It shocks me to see how kids are being bought up these days - no wonder they're getting pregnant at 14 & going on killing sprees/
 

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