Miele S8 or Sebo D4 or K3?

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Quick question:

As I currently sell Miele vacuums, I am inclined to lean in their favor on this topic...HOWEVER, I have a new apartment and am debating the new S8 or a Sebo canister. My grandfathers hotels all use the Windsor Sensor vacuums, and a few of them use some additional models, but I love my Sensor, and know full-well that it is a fine Sebo product...which has sparked my interest in the Sebo vacuums. Though I have very well, thought-out opinions of the vacuums I recommend, I am just torn on this subject. I have not ever used a Sebo canister, but have come to love the Miele S5 series, thus deciding I'll probably like the S8 just as well. And, my Miele Olympus was the first ever residential vacuum purchase, as I tend towards commercial products for their cord length and overall durability... taking me back to the Sebo side! I'm getting the see-saw affect, here!

Thoughts or testimonies?

Thanks!
 
Best thing to do...

While you'll be able to get a lot of helpful info here, go find a Sebo dealer that will let you bring a demo machine into your own home and see how it works. Then repeat with a Miele, you may find that while you love one machine in the show room the second you get it home something may cause you to despise it. As for the Miele you'll probably pay more but the canisters are IMO much easier to work with and less bulky and the same goes for the powerheads. However others have said that the Sebo wands are lighter and easier to work with, but the Miele wands aren't too heavy. The length of the hose and cord may also be a problem with Miele, but the cord issue is simply solved by buying an extension cord and storing it with the machine. If I were in your position I would eliminate the D4 due to its size but thats just me. Also as for Miele try every model range including the S2 as all are good vacuums.
 
s8 or d4

Hi

If you have a lot of carpets then it would be the D4 as i found mine to be much better than any Miele, the only problem i had with the D4 was that i kept falling over it (i am a 43 year old man) and have never had this problem with any other vac, the hose does not rotate fully then i get tangled. The noise levels are about the sam abut the sebo has much better build. I sold my sebo's and went back to Miele.

I have attached a pic to show size difference between Miele S6 and Sebo D4

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d4

I do have an S8 uniQ as well so i would still say the d4 is the best cleaner for carpets, if it is mainly hard floors (like me) i would say Miele as they are easier to use and have loads of additional tools to spend your money on : )

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I think

And this is my personal opinion. But i well like the miele is better vacuum. Ive used a sebo and the miele is more stremed line. If you ask anyone that sells miele they willsay miele. Its also a personal opinon. But i will always choose miele. And wont buy a sebo. Not hating just something i dont like . And dare i saw it when tho i always say i dont care for Rainbow if those where the 2 vacuums made in the world , i would take a Rainbow.
 
In my 10 plus years of experience with Miele, I'd say Miele canisters are just fantastic for general cleaning with. Quiet and efficient they are so easy to use and the spares, attachments and versatile design means you won't go wrong.


 


However through my years when I discovered that alongside my parents 15 plus year old Sebo X1 Automatic (same as Windsor Sensor) that only required one drive belt replacement in its life, I soon became a fan of the Sebo canisters. They do everything that the Miele vacuums do from my first statement - BUT the Sebo canisters also last longer, have better plastics, don't show up scrapes as easily, have lighter tubes, cheaper dust bag costs (based on the fact you get twice or more than Miele's default 4 in a box) the D series has a bigger dust bag and almost twice as much mains cord length on offer. Power wise without PN nozzles, I've never seen a difference between Sebo and Miele vacuums, but design wise I much prefer Sebo - I wish sometimes their models had the same kind of oozing touch feel goodness that Miele canisters reek of - but I'm glad the main controls on the top don't have a breezy exhaust that puts out hot air, no matter how "clean" Miele claim it is with the AAC or HEPA filter cartridge fitted. I'm not sure as to why a Miele S6 has been shown with the D series next to it as the D's natural rival is the similarly sized S5.


 


From a visual point of view, Miele wins - they know how to dress up a vacuum pretty well in terms of silver inserts, flashing lights and so forth.


 


Sebo are more the conservative company and build highly efficient vacuums with simpler controls, and sometimes unique features for a simpler life. (The AirBelt is fantastic for protecting both the home and the machine on the canisters.)


 


As FantomLightning suggests, do a trial of both products. I also have an S5 myself - it falls over from time to time like most cylinder/canister vacs and the D series is only slightly bigger. The S5 also has a very short power cord - an extension cord is not a safe option in my opinion - I like vacuums that have everything on board, not something else I have to carry around with me to get extra stretch and buying an extension hose to go on the back of the handle that Miele also sell as an additional accessory only meets the travel requirement half way - the hose has coils in it, isn't as long lasting and is inclined to snap back too readily even when full suction is used and liable to swing when fully stretched out, whacking off doors. SEBO offer longer hoses that can be handled with one hand and the main handle instead, minimising damage to the home, and in the D's case, a lot more mains power cord to take advantage of rather than constantly pulling the vacuum along with me as I travel along. 


 


ALSO - the K series is about the same size as both the S2 and S4/S6. Therefore it would be a smaller machine with a smaller dust bag on board. Dependent on the size of the home and the cleaning needs at the time, K series vacs have, again longer mains cord and still more dust bags and longer lasting filters than Miele offer with their FJM series. The winning card that Miele offer with their S2 is the bigger GN S5 dust bag and I'm sure the U.S have models with PN nozzles built on. I suspect then that the consideration then will be Miele based on the fact that consumables are more readily available compared to the recently introduced K3 or K3 Vulcano in the U.S


 


 
 
I would definitely take the tools into consideration when it comes to your own home. Think about what you can live with or without. I have to say that I really don't like the tools on my Capricorn. I feel the dusting brush and the crevice tool are too small. The dusting brush on my Sebo Airbelt C was too big and had synthetic bristles. If the tools seem like a good fit for your home, you'll be more likely to use them.
 
Well the tools have improved on the D series. The K series uses a smaller version of the larger dusting brush that came with the Sebo C. Mind you, I like the round dusting brush on Miele vacs - they're better now that they have proper long bristles compared to the castle cut style that was liable to clog up too quickly. I, too find that the crevice tool on the Miele is too noisy - the long one that comes as standard with the Miele Vario Car Clean kit is much quieter.


 


This issue of tools brings me onto another subject - I've recently bought two new tools for use with my Miele vacs, the long dusting brush (SUB20) which is really good and the mini "mini" turbo brush that looked quite good at the time. 
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Well

Over here miele is more popular then sebo. Ur in the uk . I feel like sebo does have thing i like but . I feel like the miele is better. There no dealer close buy is the sebo had issuses then im in trouble . And i bet you wont see a sebo in 20 years .
 
d4

Hi

The brushers on the PN are much stiffer on the Sebo than the Miele so on my berber carpet the sebo did a much better job and the effort to use it on carpet was much less than the Miele, the pic of the D4 next to the S6 was just to show that i chose a smaller vac to replace the Sebo D4, with the S6 shown i used a accu nova head which was ok.

I have also owned 2 Sebo x4's but they are not for me as i prefer cylinders as i find them more versatile and the x4 just seemed to skim my carpets.

Matt
 
And i bet you wont see a sebo in 20 years .

As Ive said before, Miele are a big franchise company, churning out all manner of household appliances as well as holding a great foothold of medical cleaning machines for the health industry. They don't however produce commercial vacuums. That's where Sebo come in AND in the UK, Miele are better known - so its not as if Sebo are any different in the minds of most buyers. Which UK recently put Sebo as their number 1 brand for reliability of uprights and Miele as number 1 brand for cylinder/canisters. Ironically enough Which's excuse for either was that they didn't have enough data for Sebo's cylinder/canisters or Miele's uprights.


 


How long have Windsor been churning out the Sensor models in the U.S? Sebo came to the UK in the 1990s and they have been going since the early 1970's. I suggest however that you learn a bit more about Sebo and their brand - as a private company they merge with lots of sub-contract cleaning companies to put their machines into the industry and really, if Sebo weren't going to last in the U.S I doubt they would have allowed the U.S arm to heavily promote the machines through the use of videos. Even other countries are using the U.S videos that Sebo U.S have created. That doesn't suggest to me Sebo will be a short term stay in the U.S!


 


End of the day though, it's not about how popular a brand is when it comes to certain appliances - its about how they are made and how they function - and the original poster that created this thread is initially confused as to which brand to go for based on their cleaning requirements.

[this post was last edited: 6/21/2012-08:49]
 
re: stiffer brushes

Here's a question that I'd like to know the answer to.. given that Miele have several different PN's available - are all the brush rolls the same? Or does one particular model have stiffer bristles? Do any of the PN's have a brush stop function like the Sebo ET-1 floor heads do?
 
Reply to the brush roll question...

The brush rolls are different on the 2 higher-end PN's. Personally, I like the SEB236 the best, but some like the one a step down, as it has more of a self-pull feel. However, I think the 236 does better for pet hair and such. If comparing the two brush rolls to another vacuum, the 236 is like a regular brush roller while the one just below it has the shape of the Sanitaire Vibragroomer 1, however, neither have beater bars... just brushes.
 
More...

And, yes, you can stop the brush roller with the switch on the handles of any of the Miele's with PN's. And, the bristles are more stiff on the 236. Honestly, though, Sebo's brush design is better, as the bristles are more abundant and the chevron-style pattern is more efficient than the Miele, even though the 2 bigger PN's have a "chevron" style roller.
 
Ah. You see I'm not a fan of canisters with PN's. I have a K3 Premium myself. I find it too bulky and the idea of saddling a compact, lightweight vacuum with a PN isn't my cup of tea. 


 


Many years ago I did try a Miele S500 (not sure of the number) Revolution which had a powered nozzle head in the UK. Far too heavy and compromising. The K3 is smaller and much easier to handle WITHOUT the PN added, lol.  


 


At least with the Sebo ET-1 which the U.S is lucky to get as the UK models get the older, original non-lock ET-H on the K models, you can change brush rolls from the standard blue tipped bristles to a softer brush roll for softer carpets/delicates - uses the same brush roll as the X/Windsor.
 

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