turbo500
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Sorry Tayyab, I should have been more specific. I was actually talking about the Dyson and the S7, not the Kirby and the S7.
Miele S7210 vs Dyson DC41/65/big ball
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turbo500
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In an attempt to keep this conversation from being yet another [expletive] Kirby thread, lets discuss the pro's and con's of the S7 vs. the Dyson. These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure others will have their own input.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dyson Pro's</span>
- bagless, so few running costs
- lightweight in operation
- additional tools and replacements are cheaper to buy
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dyson con's:</span>
- can be messy to maintain with filters and bins
- average carpet performance compared with some other top end uprights
- difficult to get under low furniture
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Miele pro's:</span>
- bags tend to be more hygenic
- fantastic carpet performance
- variable power for multi surface and above floor cleaning
- more solid build quality
- large cleaner head covering more surface area
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Miele con's:</span>
- difficult to repair
- can be expensive on parts
- bags and filters will have to be replaced over time, so there is more running cost
- heavy to lift
- large cleaner head can be difficult to maneuver
Both cleaners have swivel action, full stair stretch hoses, strong hose suction and good tools.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dyson Pro's</span>
- bagless, so few running costs
- lightweight in operation
- additional tools and replacements are cheaper to buy
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dyson con's:</span>
- can be messy to maintain with filters and bins
- average carpet performance compared with some other top end uprights
- difficult to get under low furniture
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Miele pro's:</span>
- bags tend to be more hygenic
- fantastic carpet performance
- variable power for multi surface and above floor cleaning
- more solid build quality
- large cleaner head covering more surface area
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Miele con's:</span>
- difficult to repair
- can be expensive on parts
- bags and filters will have to be replaced over time, so there is more running cost
- heavy to lift
- large cleaner head can be difficult to maneuver
Both cleaners have swivel action, full stair stretch hoses, strong hose suction and good tools.
Looking at that I can see there are things I like about both the Dyson and the Miele. I think I will try and see if I can get a really low price on the Miele as I haven't used one before
blackheart
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I still think
You should give it a shot. I'm not sure what they sell for over there, but I do know the model i have sells for like 600. So to me it looks like a good bargain.
You should give it a shot. I'm not sure what they sell for over there, but I do know the model i have sells for like 600. So to me it looks like a good bargain.
blackheart
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Hmmm...
On the lowest setting you should be able to talk over it, if you have the brushroll off, the brushroll is probably the loudest thing on it. According to this video from Vacuum Wizard it's range is 65-75db
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmlNnzP9UZo
On the lowest setting you should be able to talk over it, if you have the brushroll off, the brushroll is probably the loudest thing on it. According to this video from Vacuum Wizard it's range is 65-75db
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmlNnzP9UZo
sebo_fan
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Where is the hose on a Kirby though? Does it stay on board?
The Kirby hose is not on the machine.To use it-you have to remove the floor nozzle-then attach the hose to the machine.I really DON'T like hoses and attachments on the machine-makes it cumbersome,awkward,heavier.I use a canister machine for the "hose&Bag" jobs.Its really easier than using the upright as a canister-with some-including the Meile-using the hose as a canister is like dancing with a drunk.The machine wants to try to tip.The stretch hose is awkward.The hose on board and wand is good for cobwebs in corners and baseboards,though.I own a Meile S7-kinda don't fully beleive the video of the Meile and Kirby.BOTH are competent machines.What speed was the Meile set for?Was its bag full?Was there a clog in the hose?I do like the Kirbys better than the Meile.I just think something was wrong with the Meile in the video.And the dark setting makes me wonder.Lets turn on some LIGHTS,please,when we video!Cameras need LIGHT to work!
sebo_fan
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I can't really see why you would come to such an opinion, Tayyab. Most hoses and tools are lighter than a kilogram when put altogether. Its no as if they are saddling the upright with heavier components. The Miele S7, granted has more durable fittings but you'll soon realise the worth that it has if you get the vacuum.
sptyks
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Nar, Tayyab was answering Tolivac in an earlier post.
Tolivac wrote: "I really DON'T like hoses and attachments on the machine-makes it cumbersome,awkward,heavier" .
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sebo_fan
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Oh sorry Tayyab and thank you Stan.
I can't really see why you would come to such an opinion, Tolivac. Most hoses and tools are lighter than a kilogram when put altogether. Its no as if they are saddling the upright with heavier components.
I can't really see why you would come to such an opinion, Tolivac. Most hoses and tools are lighter than a kilogram when put altogether. Its no as if they are saddling the upright with heavier components.
I will stand behind that opinion--The hose and tools DO make the machine heavier and more awkward.Just my feelings-If you like the tools and hose aboard the machine-so be it.For me a canister machine is a lot easier.If the hose is used all of the time the machine is used-it is prone to clogging when the machine is used as an upright.I like SIMPLE airpaths!NO CLOGGING!You can do your vacuuming without having to stop and clear hose jams.
turbomaster1984
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Tolivac
I hardly think its fair to use a blanket statement about on board tool vacs being bulky and awkward to use when that description also fits kirby, royals, bisons et al which dont have tools on but are not very pleasant to use for many people.
Also nor is it fair to say the hoses clog when they blatantly dont with normal sensible use.
Plenty of streamlined upright vacs have been designed in europe and are a pleasure to use and this has been the case for over 35 years now.
I think a few people on here need to grow up, first we had those touting Dyson as being the best and its funny how the tables turned when they started opening their minds and using other cleaners.
Lets just give this kirby thing a break - they dont work for a good many people INCLUDING collectors who can see the flaws. Theres some pretty good vacs out there but none are perfect.
I hardly think its fair to use a blanket statement about on board tool vacs being bulky and awkward to use when that description also fits kirby, royals, bisons et al which dont have tools on but are not very pleasant to use for many people.
Also nor is it fair to say the hoses clog when they blatantly dont with normal sensible use.
Plenty of streamlined upright vacs have been designed in europe and are a pleasure to use and this has been the case for over 35 years now.
I think a few people on here need to grow up, first we had those touting Dyson as being the best and its funny how the tables turned when they started opening their minds and using other cleaners.
Lets just give this kirby thing a break - they dont work for a good many people INCLUDING collectors who can see the flaws. Theres some pretty good vacs out there but none are perfect.
turbo500
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Theres some pretty good vacs out there but none are perfect
Amen to that!
I've yet to find a perfect vacuum, you just have to find the right balance. There is NO vacuum in the world without it's design flaws.
Amen to that!
I've yet to find a perfect vacuum, you just have to find the right balance. There is NO vacuum in the world without it's design flaws.
Come to the vac place out my way---plenty of clogged on board hoses!Yes,folks try to pick up what they shouldn't but the hoses do accumilate sand and such.The loop in the hose is where the sand collects or it clogs.I find my non hose and tools on board vacuums are my go to machines-the hose and tools on board machines stay at the end of the pile.I use them occasionally.The better hose machines have the selector that allows the hose only to be used when you need to use it-not all of the time.
sebo_fan
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I can't be bothered with the "selector." If you are going to use a hose there should be no need to change a setting, but then I'm used to more modern European uprights NOW that don't have switches "to use a hose."
Vintage wise when I think of vacuums I had when I first started collecting, I think there were 2 uprights that had a selector to use tools/hose and that was on a Hoover Turbopower and much later the Electrolux Z500. The Hoover didn't stay long with me, not because of that function alone but rather because I preferred the clean air design of the TP2/3 series. Also I think that particularly Turbopower used to clog because of the poor arrangement of the side hose usage location. It had little to do with the hose.
I was rather late on when I bought an Electrolux Z517. That was an eye opener; beautifully quiet and such a simple machine to use. The first of the clean air uprights that also had a selector at the back, but again, this was back in the day when uprights didn't have tools on board, or if they did exist they weren't exactly cheap to buy. I hardly used the hose when I eventually bought one for the Z517.
Upright owners shouldn't require a selector in my experience; the hose should be a grab and go function. I think the unnecessary selector just causes problems.
Last year when I bought a Zanussi AirSpeed upright, it too has an old fashioned 'floors to hose" selector and I found that whilst it was neccesary to use to allow suction airflow to occur, the side turn wheel could be adjusted for easier gliding rather than actual hose use; a factor that didn't seem to be mentioned in the user manual.
Vintage wise when I think of vacuums I had when I first started collecting, I think there were 2 uprights that had a selector to use tools/hose and that was on a Hoover Turbopower and much later the Electrolux Z500. The Hoover didn't stay long with me, not because of that function alone but rather because I preferred the clean air design of the TP2/3 series. Also I think that particularly Turbopower used to clog because of the poor arrangement of the side hose usage location. It had little to do with the hose.
I was rather late on when I bought an Electrolux Z517. That was an eye opener; beautifully quiet and such a simple machine to use. The first of the clean air uprights that also had a selector at the back, but again, this was back in the day when uprights didn't have tools on board, or if they did exist they weren't exactly cheap to buy. I hardly used the hose when I eventually bought one for the Z517.
Upright owners shouldn't require a selector in my experience; the hose should be a grab and go function. I think the unnecessary selector just causes problems.
Last year when I bought a Zanussi AirSpeed upright, it too has an old fashioned 'floors to hose" selector and I found that whilst it was neccesary to use to allow suction airflow to occur, the side turn wheel could be adjusted for easier gliding rather than actual hose use; a factor that didn't seem to be mentioned in the user manual.
