turbo500
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How are you finding them both?
Miele C3 Total Solution Allergy or Sebo Airbelt E3 Premium
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I am yet to compare. The sebo arrived less than an hour ago so will be doing a comparison shortly. The Euro stickers on the seem to rate the Miele over the Sebo. Strangely looking forward to it...I know, it's just a vacuum!
Miele cost £199 (£229 minus £30 cashback promo currently on).
Sebo cost £279 (inc 8 free bags).
So the Sebo will have to be better to justify the extra cost as the difference could buy me an extra 2 years warranty (£15) plus a lot of Miele bags which I think evens the long term operating costs.
Have to note that Sebo called to arrange delivery when suitable for me. I did not purchase direct from them so they did not have to do that. I also just realised they threw in a box of bags for free....nice customer service.
Miele cost £199 (£229 minus £30 cashback promo currently on).
Sebo cost £279 (inc 8 free bags).
So the Sebo will have to be better to justify the extra cost as the difference could buy me an extra 2 years warranty (£15) plus a lot of Miele bags which I think evens the long term operating costs.
Have to note that Sebo called to arrange delivery when suitable for me. I did not purchase direct from them so they did not have to do that. I also just realised they threw in a box of bags for free....nice customer service.
The Sebo E will be in my future.Have several Miele vacuums-will also do my tests.Both are good vacuums.
turbo500
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I wouldn't pay any attention to the ratings stickers, they're total nonsense. For example, they rated a Vax upright with no brushroll off function higher on hard floors than a Henry suction cleaner. We all know that cylinders are far better on hard floors. The testing methods don't accurately represent in-home performance and are all carried out by the manufacturers so there is no consistent testing.
I can absolutely guarantee that the Sebo will out-clean the Miele on carpet purely because of the powernozzle. When cleaning carpets, the suction is secondary. The brushroll does the bulk of the work, sweeping the dirt into the suction path which is then sucked into the bag. Because it's motor driven, the powernozzle won't slow down on carpet like a turbo brush, so will lift the pile better.
With regards to long term maintenance, the Sebo bags are 8 bags for £9.99 vs 4 Miele bags for £12.99, so longer term, the Sebo is cheaper to maintain. The Sebo also has a longer guarantee from the start.
I can absolutely guarantee that the Sebo will out-clean the Miele on carpet purely because of the powernozzle. When cleaning carpets, the suction is secondary. The brushroll does the bulk of the work, sweeping the dirt into the suction path which is then sucked into the bag. Because it's motor driven, the powernozzle won't slow down on carpet like a turbo brush, so will lift the pile better.
With regards to long term maintenance, the Sebo bags are 8 bags for £9.99 vs 4 Miele bags for £12.99, so longer term, the Sebo is cheaper to maintain. The Sebo also has a longer guarantee from the start.
Surprised
Update.
Just had a short go with both machines and am a bit surprised with the results.
The sebo is very nice and the I used the powerhead on an already vacuumed patch which it somehow managed to make look cleaner.
The sebo hose is a bit chunky and unwieldy due to the electrics. The extention pole is also the same and I'm not a fan of the exposed wire where it connects to the handle. Also when using the tools without the extention pole the electric connectors seem to get in the way - see pic below. Suction is ok but not amazing - I wish it had more. However sebo easily beats the miele in terms of quality of construction materials.
Now the miele...I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. Tried it with the ecotec brush and it is hard work. It is just sticking to the carpet up thereby gets impossible to move - am I doing something wrong? I have tried even the lowest power setting with no success. The bag full indicator also shows as red when the brush is stuck to carpet Quality of platics is below that of the sebo.
Update.
Just had a short go with both machines and am a bit surprised with the results.
The sebo is very nice and the I used the powerhead on an already vacuumed patch which it somehow managed to make look cleaner.
The sebo hose is a bit chunky and unwieldy due to the electrics. The extention pole is also the same and I'm not a fan of the exposed wire where it connects to the handle. Also when using the tools without the extention pole the electric connectors seem to get in the way - see pic below. Suction is ok but not amazing - I wish it had more. However sebo easily beats the miele in terms of quality of construction materials.
Now the miele...I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. Tried it with the ecotec brush and it is hard work. It is just sticking to the carpet up thereby gets impossible to move - am I doing something wrong? I have tried even the lowest power setting with no success. The bag full indicator also shows as red when the brush is stuck to carpet Quality of platics is below that of the sebo.
turbo500
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it is hard work....am I doing something wrong?
ALL straight suction cleaners are hard work on carpet. You really do need either an electronic powernozzle or, at the very least, an air-driven turbo brush.
ALL straight suction cleaners are hard work on carpet. You really do need either an electronic powernozzle or, at the very least, an air-driven turbo brush.
Verdict - Sebo wins!
Thanks Turbo500 for the input.
Tried both machines again and we are going to keep the Sebo. The quality and performance are better than Miele and as someone else said, the sebo provides fewer accessories but they are the ones most people need.
Was worried about suction but as I discovered with the Miele, there is such a thing as too much suction as I could barely move the thing!
Also, so many complaints online about poor customer service from Miele so that's that.
Thanks all. Any questions feel free to ask as I still have both machines with me.
Thanks Turbo500 for the input.
Tried both machines again and we are going to keep the Sebo. The quality and performance are better than Miele and as someone else said, the sebo provides fewer accessories but they are the ones most people need.
Was worried about suction but as I discovered with the Miele, there is such a thing as too much suction as I could barely move the thing!
Also, so many complaints online about poor customer service from Miele so that's that.
Thanks all. Any questions feel free to ask as I still have both machines with me.
turbo500
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Arthur, if you're wanting additional tools, check out the Sebo website. They sell a whole heap of tools and a tote bag to carry them all in.
luxkid1980
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Did your choice of vacuums to consider depend on what was available to you locally? I ask because there are many other good vacuums out there but I figured your decision was based on what you could go and physically inspect and test in a vacuum store. I also assume you were looking to buy new and did not consider purchasing a previously used machine. Is that right?
kirbylux77
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Arthur
I think you made the right choice here.
First off, your experience with the Miele carpet/floor nozzle sticking to the carpet is spot on. It seems most manufacturers are trying to greatly improve the carpet cleaning efficiency of their powerheads & carpet/floor nozzles to make the most use of the suction/airflow the vacuum produces, since they have to deal with the new EU guidelines for decreased power consumption. However, I think if you had ordered a Miele C3 with the SEB228 powerhead, you would find the Miele to clean equally well, if not slightly better, & you would not have the problem of the head sticking to the floor. In addition, the Miele Airclean bags are superior to most other HEPA Cloth bags on the market, since they are 9 layer bags....they are superior in respect to the fact that you can literally stuff the bag to 3/4 full before you start to see ANY loss of suction, even if you are picking up fine, powdery dust, dirt & sand. Due to this, this more than makes up for the higher price of the bags, since the usable capacity before changing is much greater for Miele.
Having said that, the build quality of Miele's canisters is definitely inferior to that of Sebo's canisters, & might I dare say, extremely overpriced for the build quality you get. For this reason, I would choose Sebo over Miele. One major area Sebo wins points, in particular, is the quality of the powerhead neck, overall design & the wiring used. I owned a 2004 Miele S558 Red Velvet with the SEB236 powerhead, & the 2 major problems I had was with the powerhead neck wiring failing prematurely, & the cordreel. I had it repaired once, & after only 7 or 8 uses, it broke down again! At that point, I was so fed up I jury-rigged the powerhead neck wiring myself & made it so the electric wand was permanently attached to the powerhead, & bought a spare wand from the local vac shop to use with the floor brush. The ONLY WAY now I would recommend anyone to buy a Miele canister, regardless of which powerhead it comes with, is to buy a spare wand & leave the powerhead permanently attached. If you don't touch it, it can't break. It is my opinion that Miele's powerhead neck wiring is too thin & brittle, & not capable of standing up to daily use & repeated inserting & removing the electric wand to use both the powerhead & floor brush. This also applies to generic Wessell Werk powerheads other manufacturers use, since Miele's powerheads are re-badged Wessell Werk products. In addition, the onboard tools for the Miele are unacceptable for a TOL canister in it's price range....the crevice tool is ridiculously short, & the dusting brush is too small. The Parquet Twister floor brush is too big....while it picks up fine dust & sand perfectly fine, any large particles, such as a dried up pea or small pebble, you have to move the tool in a million different directions to pick up large particles. The optional handheld turbo brush, while it works great, gets pet hair wrapped around the brushroll, & unlike other handheld turbo brushes, it cannot be opened up completely to clean out & cut away the hair.
Best of luck with your new Sebo.
Rob
I think you made the right choice here.
First off, your experience with the Miele carpet/floor nozzle sticking to the carpet is spot on. It seems most manufacturers are trying to greatly improve the carpet cleaning efficiency of their powerheads & carpet/floor nozzles to make the most use of the suction/airflow the vacuum produces, since they have to deal with the new EU guidelines for decreased power consumption. However, I think if you had ordered a Miele C3 with the SEB228 powerhead, you would find the Miele to clean equally well, if not slightly better, & you would not have the problem of the head sticking to the floor. In addition, the Miele Airclean bags are superior to most other HEPA Cloth bags on the market, since they are 9 layer bags....they are superior in respect to the fact that you can literally stuff the bag to 3/4 full before you start to see ANY loss of suction, even if you are picking up fine, powdery dust, dirt & sand. Due to this, this more than makes up for the higher price of the bags, since the usable capacity before changing is much greater for Miele.
Having said that, the build quality of Miele's canisters is definitely inferior to that of Sebo's canisters, & might I dare say, extremely overpriced for the build quality you get. For this reason, I would choose Sebo over Miele. One major area Sebo wins points, in particular, is the quality of the powerhead neck, overall design & the wiring used. I owned a 2004 Miele S558 Red Velvet with the SEB236 powerhead, & the 2 major problems I had was with the powerhead neck wiring failing prematurely, & the cordreel. I had it repaired once, & after only 7 or 8 uses, it broke down again! At that point, I was so fed up I jury-rigged the powerhead neck wiring myself & made it so the electric wand was permanently attached to the powerhead, & bought a spare wand from the local vac shop to use with the floor brush. The ONLY WAY now I would recommend anyone to buy a Miele canister, regardless of which powerhead it comes with, is to buy a spare wand & leave the powerhead permanently attached. If you don't touch it, it can't break. It is my opinion that Miele's powerhead neck wiring is too thin & brittle, & not capable of standing up to daily use & repeated inserting & removing the electric wand to use both the powerhead & floor brush. This also applies to generic Wessell Werk powerheads other manufacturers use, since Miele's powerheads are re-badged Wessell Werk products. In addition, the onboard tools for the Miele are unacceptable for a TOL canister in it's price range....the crevice tool is ridiculously short, & the dusting brush is too small. The Parquet Twister floor brush is too big....while it picks up fine dust & sand perfectly fine, any large particles, such as a dried up pea or small pebble, you have to move the tool in a million different directions to pick up large particles. The optional handheld turbo brush, while it works great, gets pet hair wrapped around the brushroll, & unlike other handheld turbo brushes, it cannot be opened up completely to clean out & cut away the hair.
Best of luck with your new Sebo.
Rob
Luxkid1980
Hello
The search was limited by the following factors:
Had to be a canister type as more versatile than an upright.
Max price was set at £300. This is because the wife had been carrying on about wanting a Dyson V6 handheld as it was on sale..and I allegedly agreed.
I actually thought that was crazy money for a vacuum and I did not like the whole rechargeable thing. She then switched wanting a Dyson Cinetic Ball - I noticed a trend. Through talking to her I realised her Dyson thing was more about "it looks nice on the wall" and a fashion statement than about its cleaning ability and this set me on my search - if I'm going to spend that much on a vacuum, it better be a damn good vacumm!
You are right about it being available locally as I wanted something I could actually touch and check out. There are so many conflicting and corrupt (paid) reviews out there that it's best to use as a guide and try things yourself. I trust forums such as this one more - had never heard of Sebo till I read about it on here. Of course that limited me to what is available in the UK.
Second hand?? - That was never gonna fly the wife! I'm considered a cheapskate as it is and met a lot of resistance when I suggested getting the Sebo or Miele brand new over the Dyson. I think the wife enjoys opening boxes way too much!
Did you have any suggestions in mind?
Hello
The search was limited by the following factors:
Had to be a canister type as more versatile than an upright.
Max price was set at £300. This is because the wife had been carrying on about wanting a Dyson V6 handheld as it was on sale..and I allegedly agreed.
I actually thought that was crazy money for a vacuum and I did not like the whole rechargeable thing. She then switched wanting a Dyson Cinetic Ball - I noticed a trend. Through talking to her I realised her Dyson thing was more about "it looks nice on the wall" and a fashion statement than about its cleaning ability and this set me on my search - if I'm going to spend that much on a vacuum, it better be a damn good vacumm!
You are right about it being available locally as I wanted something I could actually touch and check out. There are so many conflicting and corrupt (paid) reviews out there that it's best to use as a guide and try things yourself. I trust forums such as this one more - had never heard of Sebo till I read about it on here. Of course that limited me to what is available in the UK.
Second hand?? - That was never gonna fly the wife! I'm considered a cheapskate as it is and met a lot of resistance when I suggested getting the Sebo or Miele brand new over the Dyson. I think the wife enjoys opening boxes way too much!
Did you have any suggestions in mind?
luxkid1980
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tygar2
You're right.. the canisters are indeed more versatile. I love my Electrolux 1401 for being able to use the crevice and dust upholstery tools on furniture; things I cannot do with my Oreck uprights.
Well, like you, I am all about looking for a "deal" and I don't mind second-hand vacuums, provided I can physically inspect and test it out too. Do many of the vac stores in the UK also sell used machines like many of our stores in the US do? Of course, its all about what is actually available to you. I'm unsure if the older Electrolux machines like the 1205, 1401, 1505 or the newer style Luxes were/are sold overseas. I'm partial to those mostly for sentimental reasons as my mom had the Silverado Deluxe when I was growing up, but I think they are dandy vacuums and clean very well.
Your wife is another story though! Have to keep the spouse happy!
But, I too love to get things in the mail. It's exciting when you see a box sitting on your doorstep
I've heard good things about the Miele and Sebo, though I have never personally used one.
You're right.. the canisters are indeed more versatile. I love my Electrolux 1401 for being able to use the crevice and dust upholstery tools on furniture; things I cannot do with my Oreck uprights.
Well, like you, I am all about looking for a "deal" and I don't mind second-hand vacuums, provided I can physically inspect and test it out too. Do many of the vac stores in the UK also sell used machines like many of our stores in the US do? Of course, its all about what is actually available to you. I'm unsure if the older Electrolux machines like the 1205, 1401, 1505 or the newer style Luxes were/are sold overseas. I'm partial to those mostly for sentimental reasons as my mom had the Silverado Deluxe when I was growing up, but I think they are dandy vacuums and clean very well.
Your wife is another story though! Have to keep the spouse happy!
But, I too love to get things in the mail. It's exciting when you see a box sitting on your doorstep
I've heard good things about the Miele and Sebo, though I have never personally used one.
Update and Moving House
Hello All
It's been nearly a year since I purchased the Sebo E3 Premium and I have been very happy with it. It still runs like new and nothing beats a motorised brush head. I am also impressed by the low noise level - quietest vacuum I have owned. I however feel the 700W suction is a bit on the weak side but it does the job.
I with shortly be moving to a house with hardwood floors on the ground floor and carpets upstairs - is the Sebo still the best in this situation? Will now be relying on the 700w suction so not sure - going to test it today.
I will be getting all the carpets replaced so can choose type, plushness etc. Do you guys have any recommendations? The house is a 1920/30s Edwardian with poor insulation and high ceilings so looking to keep it as warm as possible.
Thanks
Hello All
It's been nearly a year since I purchased the Sebo E3 Premium and I have been very happy with it. It still runs like new and nothing beats a motorised brush head. I am also impressed by the low noise level - quietest vacuum I have owned. I however feel the 700W suction is a bit on the weak side but it does the job.
I with shortly be moving to a house with hardwood floors on the ground floor and carpets upstairs - is the Sebo still the best in this situation? Will now be relying on the 700w suction so not sure - going to test it today.
I will be getting all the carpets replaced so can choose type, plushness etc. Do you guys have any recommendations? The house is a 1920/30s Edwardian with poor insulation and high ceilings so looking to keep it as warm as possible.
Thanks
canisters and hard floors
For hard floors, a canister is the best vacuum you can use, does your Sebo have a good hard floor brush? If so, it should have no problem cleaning the hard floors in the new house. Give it a try and let us know how it works.
Mike
For hard floors, a canister is the best vacuum you can use, does your Sebo have a good hard floor brush? If so, it should have no problem cleaning the hard floors in the new house. Give it a try and let us know how it works.
Mike
