Miele bags and filter generic options

[vegassucks]

Bag collar

The Bag collar has always been pushed back down in the slot. The Miele bags are not an air tight seal and do leak fine dust. If you take off your hose and look into the vacuum you will see the flap is opened. The flap only closes when you open the bag access door. I do believe the GoVac bags that GOVac sells for $2 per bag will work just as well as the Miele bags. [this post was last edited: 8/31/2013-18:25]

 

[piano_god]

The silicone gasket on the bag opening forms an airtight seal to the spout when the bag door is closed and the bag is inserted correctly. This means dust and debris will not leak between the bag collar and spout when inside the machine provided the bag is inserted correctly. If the bag is not inserted properly, it will cause dust to accumulate on the collar and other areas throughout the bag chamber, as your photos show...

 

[vegassucks]

Airtight???

Not an airtight seal. Try and find anywhere in writing where-as Miele claims it to be. It is only a seal to prevent leakage when taking the bag out to change it. Airtight is something people assume and never claimed by Miele.

Specs

Miele AirClean GN bags replace IntensiveClean Plus GN bags.
Bags fit Miele S400, S2000 or S5000 Series canisters
Improved technology features 9 layers of filtration to trap and hold dirt and debris in the bag, including dust mites, pet dander and pollen
Self-locking collar automatically closes when removing dustbag to prevent escape of dust and allergens
25% larger bag capacity requires fewer bag changes and waste
Includes 4 AirClean GN dustbags, 1 Motor Protection Filter and 1 Air Clean Filter

 

[piano_god]

I'm sorry, vegassucks, but I do not need to find it in writing. The silicone gasket on the Miele AirClean bag forms an airtight seal to the spout on the bag door provided the bag is installed correctly.


 


If the bag door is opened and closed repeatedly without the bag being pushed back into its slot completely, it will do exactly what occurred in your photograph. Judging by the stress marks on the pullout tab on your GN bag, it appears you've removed and inserted it multiple times.


 


Good luck with your aftermarkets, though...

 

[vegassucks]

Airtight

If you believe that the bag is airtight I cannot stop you. Many believed the earth as round, Piano_God
you might still believe it is LOL. Thank you anyway for your good wishes. Those who believe Miele has some superior bag that can not be duplicated for half the price are good for vacuum shops and Miele so there is a positive in everything.

Yes my bag was removed to try and figure out why it was leaking. It did not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the gasket seal is very cheap and not an airtight seal. While the bag compartment is an airtight seal when on, the bag in the compartment is not an airtight seal. Do you have any idea how tight it would fit around the pipe if it were?

When you change your bag next time just lift the inlet around the pipe and move it around, you will realize how lose the fit is. Actually the Go Vacuum bags look to have a higher quality seal than the Miele bags.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well if you have the bags from Go Vacuum, do report. If not, why try and assume that they are just as good? The Proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

I have used copy bags too in my Miele vacuums - and the story isn't good. Oh yes they're cheap at the time to buy but they tend to have a shorter life than Miele's genuine bags.

My other problem with the bags is that they don't stay in after the lid has been opened. They seem to catch on the main dust channel shroud and prise themselves out of the plastic holder thus causing damage TO THE plastic holder cartridge when the lid won't pop open properly. I have bought copy bags in the past when stocks of the IntensiveClean bags have either dried up or they are no longer on sale.

Bagged vacuums hardly expel as much dust anyway as bagless - but by using copy bags, I find that not only can they lead to damage due to their poor fixings but also they can damage/badly stain the felt filter at the motor vent (not the exhaust).

 

[vegassucks]

Not all are equal to OEM

Not all after market bags are equal. I am purchasing from Amazon so I can return any that are not up to par. I do believe the Hepa filter is just as good and may even be manufactured by the OEM manufacture. I will update on the Go Vacuum bags, I should have soon. The first ones from Electrolux (3m) do not seem up to par so I am sending back for refund and do not want to risk using them. I am not very impressed with the Miele OEM seal, the bag quality itself is excellent.

 

[piano_god]

"...[the silicone gasket] is only a seal to prevent leakage when taking the bag out to change it."


 


Thank you for the laugh, vegassucks! I suggest you cut the collar from a genuine bag and observe it from the reverse. Report back with your findings...


 


 


"If you believe that the bag is airtight I cannot stop you."


 


I never said the vacuum bag is airtight. As someone who has spent years in the vacuum industry, I've never come across an airtight vacuum bag. It doesn't sound like it would work very well, though.


 


  


"When you change your bag next time just lift the inlet around the pipe and move it around, you will realize how lose the fit is."


 


I wonder why Miele installed a silicone gasket then? If you hold the bag against the spout and observe the gasket through the use of a small mirror, you'll notice the gasket maintains its seal when moved around due its flexible nature. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">When properly installed in the bag holder, the gasket will create an airtight seal to the spout when the bag door is closed.</span>


 


 


"Do you have any idea how tight it would fit around the pipe if it were?"


 


Last I checked, friction isn't the only way to create a seal. Materials, such as silicone, can create a seal too.


 


 


"Those who believe Miele has some superior bag that can not be duplicated for half the price are good for vacuum shops and Miele."


 


I have tried the 3M (EHCPNA), EnviroCare Technologies and the DVC branded melt blown polypropylene bags in my Miele s314i. All of them leaked fine dust into the bag chamber and soiled the pre-motor filter. Bobby kindly took a photo of the bag door on his Miele S7280 using the "ZVac" bags sold through GoVacuum. Judging by his photo, they appear to leak dust too.


 


Miele's nine-ply melt blown polypropylene bag <span style="text-decoration: underline;">is</span> superior and has yet to be equalled. When you have a precision piece of German engineering, it's a real shame that you seem to advocate the use of cheap Chinese expendables that greatly compromise the proper operation and long-life of the machine. 

 

[vegassucks]

Piano_god

Piano_god,
Your use name alone tells me not debate someone who thinks their God, so I will not waste either of our time. It might be that my bag is defective but it does not seal properly around the collar, big gaps. Look at the photo of my bag you can see the seal looks deformed.

I will give Go Vacuums bag a try because I believe their company has integrity and would not sell complete garbage, that being said if I do believe it is garbage I will post my opinion. I will use the aftermarket Hepa filter in the above photo after a year. I do believe it is built to the same quality as the OEM and for $38 savings I will take my chances. Worst case senerio it is more Than likely better than the s-class filter.

 

[sebo_fan]

Actually what you should do is order another OEM HEPA filter and take it apart. I think Go-Vacuum do a superb video on You Tube showing how difficult it it to take apart the Miele HEPA filter, to prove that it is sealed up. Only then by comparing the actual destruction of the OEM part will you know whether it is the same as the one Miele also sell.

 

[piano_god]

Vegassucks...

I debated even responding to you as you seem to think you know everything. However, as an industry professional and life-long hobbyist, I'd like to point out the source of all your issues as it's blatantly obvious...


 


<span style="font-size: x-large; text-decoration: underline;">!!! Your bag is not installed properly !!!</span> 


 


Please clean off the collar using another vacuum, install the bag PROPERLY and you'll find that the issue will disappear.


 


...or don't do as I suggest, as I'm sure you'll just continue to direct your ignorant comments towards me.


 


(For your convenience, I took the time to attach a PDF of the owners manual for your Miele.)



http://www.mieleusa.com/manuals_pdf/Residential/Vacuums/S8000_us.pdf

 

[vegassucks]

Piano or Vacuum God?

Piano or Vacuum God or whatever you call yourself! YOUR WRONG! But I do appreciate your attempt to fix something that is not broken. The bag is in correctly, PERIOD. The seal is deformed or it may have been installed incorrectly when new but it only install one way and it is installed correctly.

The photo is not how the bag is now, it was pulled to take photos and was installed properly prior to removal and after the photo was taken. That is funny I knew Piano_God would see that thou.

 

[piano_god]

"Piano or Vacuum God or whatever you call yourself! YOUR WRONG! But I do appreciate your attempt to fix something that is not broken. The bag is in correctly, PERIOD."


 


For my sanity and the sanity of Vacuumland, I'm finished with you, Vegassucks. 


 


Sadly, I cannot "fix" an ignorant owner whose vacuum is clearly over the head of its user. Hence, I suggest you return your Miele.

 

[vegassucks]

Vacuum God

Vaccuum God, Thank you for freeing me from your ignorant advise, next time wait until someone ask you for advise prior to giving it. So you can sleep with peace a photo of the bag installed.
My advise to you is, stick with Piano's
[this post was last edited: 9/3/2013-03:00]

 

[piano_god]

Vegassucks,


 


I am delighted my advise assisted you in installing your GN bag correctly. It's incredibly kind that you'd take the time out of your busy day learning how to use your Miele to think of me. A picture truly is worth a thousand words and I'll cherish it for many years to come. Knowing that I got through to you only once is truly a highlight for me.


 


I'd also like to apologise for the additional advise I provided you, which was also read by the many members and guests of Vacuumland. As I believed this forum was open to all members, regardless if they were hobbyists or those in the vacuum industry, I thought participation was encouraged. Obviously, I was mistaken and for that I'm truly sorry.


 


As you already know everything, rest assured that the entire membership of the forum shall worship you silently and only create discussion unless you give prior permission for that discussion to take place. I'll also be in contact with various vacuum manufacturers and parts distributors to inform them that there's someone who knows everything. They'll be delighted!


 


In addition, I see you've created a new "favourite vacuum" thread; a typical trend of yours. September's "flavour of the month" appears to be a Sebo 370 Comfort. Please know that I'm waiting eagerly for your next "favourite vacuum". Could I suggest contacting media for breaking news coverage on your next favourite machine? Oops, my apologies for causing further stress with that suggestion. 


 


My deepest, sincerest, heartfelt apologies for the incredible inconvenience I've put you through while you underwent a three-day ordeal attempting to install a bag on your vacuum cleaner. It's a highlight that my advise was able to end your suffering.


 


Condolences,


 


Scott (AKA God, Vacuum God, Vaccuum God, Piano God and Piano or Vacuum God or whatever you call yourself)

 

[beko1987]

I have to say, I use genuine Miele bags too, and I get a fine amount of dust leakage. Not enough to keep me awake at niight, and certainly not as much as the generic tat bags I got with it, but there is some.

Could be worse, the Panasonic I cleaned up and gave to mum has already browned it's bag door with an incredible amount of dust leakage from genuine panasonic bags!

 

[vegassucks]

Go Vacuum bags

I did receive the Go Vacuum bags. The seal is actually better than the OEM. The material of the OEM bag seem thicker, I will purchase a new OEM bag to compare. What I am really surprised about is how much power the Miele looses with a 1/3 full OEM bag. I do not have a gauge to prove how much but the suction with the new Go Vacuum bag is much greater.

I would like to see Go Vacuum do a dust particular reading on the exhaust to see if there is any filtration loss with their bags.

 

[vegassucks]

The OEM seal

Now see the seal n the OEM bag, it is not truly round, might be a bad bag I will purchase new ones and compare.

 

[thevacuumman]

I don't own a Miele, but...

I have run nothing but genuine hepa bags in my Riccar Vibrance since I bought it and I haven't seen any dust in the bag chamber. I used to run generic Riccar bags in my old Riccar HP3000 and the bag chamber always had a thin layer of dust in it but I switched to genuine and I haven't found anymore dust in the bag chamber on it

 

[vegassucks]

You results may vary

Of course everyone results will vary depending on the manufacure and the quality of aftermarket bags. Miele bags are more expensive than Riccar bags. So far the Go Vacuum bag has not leaked any dust and is working just fine. Miele bags are outrages at $4.73 per bag. The Go Vaccum bags are $149.00 per bag and seem to be as good as the OEM bag.