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compactelectra you said "I refunded the money and asked for the machine to be returned to me" If that is true why did you choose "refund the buyer" instead of choosing "accept the return"? Attached is the exact screen shot picture of what you received from eBay and the 4 choices you had available to resolve the discrepancy are clearly identified.

The bottom line is I have no clue why you took to a public forum to bully the buyer when you choose to issue a full refund and told the buyer keeps the item...

If you want to keep up the bullying despite the choices you made as a seller on eBay, please show us the machine was not damaged in shipping. The shipping damage claim form you completed as the seller with usps, ups or fedex will reveal the truth about that as photos are needed to complete the damage process.

In closing, you and your friends have bullied the buyer and even one of your friends tried to bully me - yet you did not admit YOU told eBay to issue the buyer a full refund and told eBay to have the buyer keep the item and YOU provided no substance showing the item was not damaged. YOU have shied away from the matters of fact and choose to bully someone else for your actions and choices. So man up to your fault, stop bullying people and have your friend remove this entire post for good and man up and remove yourself from this group for ever.

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My apologies in advance to the good people of VL & other venues for participating in this defamatory, libel & slanderous mess!

However, I can & will vehemently refute this utter garbage, in these two (2) treads!

I didn’t worry about opening the package right away (busy season), as it (the Kirby 519) was coming from a collector & seller, I [mistakenly] believed was respectable & should have known to have it packaged better. For that mistake of trust, I do accept responsibility!

I have received numerous items from other collectors over the last seven (7) years, with NEVER [that I can recall] an item shipped with NO PROTECTIVE PACKAGING MATERIALS inside! Until NOW!!!

Again, while I concur with chicagomike (Michael) & streakers (Steve); I am going to vehemently refute these accusations.

(Between customers & business, it took the better part of yesterday & this morning to get this all organized. Again, my apologies for it taking a few days.)



I’m sure that most all of you, [& I believe if Helen Keller were alive, she], can/could & will/would see the damages now vs. what it looked like before shipment. This includes the damages to the original box, the scratched up nozzle, scratched & bent handle tube (photo didn’t turn out when taken, the macro setting won’t focus sometimes), & the replacement brushroll from Nov. 1999, NOT 1959, like ORIGINAL would be.

She [H K} might have to “squint a bit” though!!!” ~lol~ And mind you, I have the utmost respect for her accomplishments! We have & had vision-impaired individuals in our family.

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eBay has certain procedures & options, & ONLY them to follow, even when the transaction is for a: “NOT AS DESCRIBED” transaction. (SEE screenshots)

In order to get to the: “NOT AS DESCRIBED” option, eBay makes you use the “Returns” option, (worst case scenario), no matter if you go thru your purchases page or thru the Open A Case page in the Resolution Center.

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Strictly guessing, maybe eBay’s Policy & Procedure “Options” are one of their (eBay) ways of finally trying to get sellers to more responsible & truthful with their (seller) listings. Forcing all issues ultimately towards a “RETURN of sorts” in worst-case scenario.

If you [Fred Nelson] had contacted me first, when I sent you the NOT AS DESCRIBED request thru eBay, this would have ALL been avoided completely.

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I included in my request, my concerns with the shipping & condition, & to please advise. (SEE prior post screenshot) Here is that eBay message also:


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Comments

Hello Fred.

I am opening my packages this week, 4 the last month. I apologize not getting to opening them sooner.

I hate to say it; however, I am disappointed w/ this purchase. I have always thought highly of you, based on meeting & talking w/ you, as well as photos of your beautiful home & such.

The clips 4 the strapping that were used around the box, actually rubbed thru the outer box, tearing up the inner original box.

When I opened the inner original box, there was no padding/packing materials used, & thus the handle moved around, back & forth scratching up the rug nozzle.

When I took the machine/pieces out of the box to L@@K over, I see there is a stain on the lower portion of the bag, & it s kind of obvious.

Also, the brushroll is from November of 1999, NOT original.

The lower portion of the round handle tube is also dented.

The title says: Vintage Kirby 519 Like New in Original Box All Original

Your Seller Notes: Used once or twice - like new

And per your description:

...a Kirby 519 found brand new in the box. It has been run but not used for cleaning. Mainly a display unit. It is all original including bag, cord and attachments including the original box. The pictures speak for themselves...


Frankly, this is NOT what I received. And, I do not know who/whom did what part of the packaging process?!?!

I do have photos as I unpacked the purchase, (as I do on all of my purchases 4 posterity & documentation). [I have html block in messages here on eBay, & thus photos too.] If you want to see them, I can & will send them to your regular email address.

Plz advise.

TY again & hagd/n. Bill 608.373.7700
 
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~~~~~AND, let me be clear, the damage did NOT take place because of the shipping company, it was because of the horrible lack of PROPER packing & packaging.~~~~~

I did NOT ask for a return, not did I ask for a full refund.

Instead of “communicating,” [which in the 21st century seems to be a dying thing], [which I immediately did upon purchasing the Kirby], Fred Nelson chose NOT to!!!

Now, I don’t live on the computer, & I have a business to run, & customers to provide exceptional service to, [IMHO]; …so when I checked my account I saw a full refund, with NO RETURN, & TO KEEP THE ITEM!!!

This was the one (1) of four (4) choices that you [Fred Nelson], NOT me made on your end, in eBay, as a many time item seller.

[I had to ask eBay what the choices/options were/are for a seller in a NOT AS DESCRIBED transaction, as I had no idea what they were.]

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You [Fred Nelson], at 06:13pm, on the 4th, CHOSE the 2nd option of: a FULL REUND, w/NO RETURN, KEEP THE ITEM.


Due to the problems described, when I saw this, I thought you were being a “stand-up, classy guy; accepting responsibility for the problems. [Boy was/am I sadly mistaken!!! Instead you show your true colors.]


Then, ALMOST 24 hours later 03:22pm, on the 5th, you ask me to return the item. What the… ???


Even after the refund I still provided you with thirty+ (30+) photos showing the damage & condition(s) of the Kirby.

I’ve ate at a lot of places over the years, some five star, some not so much, some many times; however, if after having bad food at one, I don’t trust them so much.

The point is: I don’t “Drink the Kool-aide.” Just because everything has been ‘hunky-dory’ in the past, doesn’t mean it is now.

Things change, some people change.

Maybe these recent transactions, with Fred Nelson:

(Hoover 115, eBay item #231841992057 [SEE feedback] & Kirby 519, eBay item #231834866591),

…were just a couple of bad shipping decisions, or a poor & misleading description in the case of this Kirby 519.

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I would’ve been willing to give you the benefit of doubt had you handled this whole transaction differently. NOT anymore; again, you have shown your true colors, in my opinion.

There’s a saying about a person & their money. I don’t part easily &/or freely with it. And when I do, I expect to get what I paid for; be that a dollar or a thousand dollars.

If a meal is cold; I expect ‘them’ to do something about it; if I buy a car or TV or something else new, I expect it to be such. NOT scratched & beat up, & with parts that are forty (40) years from original, when they’re supposed to be ALL ORIGINAL!!!

I expect answers (conversation) or compensation!

I have plenty of machines to restore; I didn’t need another one. I wanted one that basically “ready-to-go,” so-to-speak.

This one will have to be taken apart, cleaned, buffed out & should have the handle tube replaced & the brushroll replaced to be 1959, ALL ORIGINAL. Even with some of my connections, good luck finding those parts “period original.”

Understand that these machines I purchase & own are intended to go into a museum or museum type setting.

They are intended to be as close to factory original as practical (or monetarily), to authenticate factual history of production. NOT guesswork!!! This was supposed be basically be “turnkey;” NOT so in its present condition.



My opinion is you feel you priced the Kirby too low, & in requesting the machine back the NEXT day, this was your chance, to maybe get more money for the Kirby or the sum of it’s parts; as you’ve reference the cord alones value.

Frankly, I don’t care at this point what the sum of its parts are; I purchased it based on YOUR description & its then current condition, NOT how I received it. PERIOD!

It is NOT now in the condition you described, nor is it all original as stated in your listing. And the dirt in the pictures of the Emtor show that it was more than “…mostly display.”

Besides that, you set the Buy-It-Now price. This seems more like ‘sellers remorse’ by asking for it back the next day!
 
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My belief is that most all should & will be able to see the truth here; whether it’s what they want to accept or not!

And when it’s all said & done, I like to believe, (naïve or not ~lol~), that most individuals of character will apologize to me if they’ve said (typed) something inappropriately, having NOT known the “TRUE” facts.


If you [Fred Nelson], had handled this differently, fessed up to your mistakes, then we wouldn’t be where we are now!


And my initial request to you [Fred Nelson], after these two (2) thread were posted; & web-master [Robert Seger] were notified & asked to remove the two (2) posts; will still stand, except for number eight (#8). NOW, after all this, I will give you [Fred Nelson] NO MONEY whatsoever!!!


Here is the “ALL ORIGINAL” email I sent the you [Fred Nelson], web-master [Robert Seger], etc. along with the thirty+ (30+) photos of the un-boxing of the Kirby 519:



Subj: Re: I Have Warned Everyone
Date: 03/14/16 11:42:11 PM Central Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)





Hello Robert,

Please see the other two (2) emails I sent with photos & information.



1. I did NOT ask to return the machine, nor am I going to;

2. I did NOT ask for a full refund;

3. I DID ask for answers [ie: plz advise];

4. I am NOT the one who did, or allowed the horrible packing [Fred acknowledged in an email];

5. eBay gives a seller three options on a NOT AS DESCRIBED case, & Fred (NOT me) chose a full refund, & for me to keep the machine;

6. I am NOT the one who screwed this sale up completely;

7. Fred publicly & permanently, (VL forum, VCCC, emails to members, facebook, etc as applicable), apologizes, acknowledges the damage as shown in the photos & accepts responsibility for the horrible packing he allowed; as he screwed this up, & he calls me & verbally apologizes & then finally,

8. Even though I am legally under no obligation to offer any payment [this has also been confirmed with eBay], as the transaction was closed, with no return, by the seller; I will agree to pay an agreed upon, lesser amount than the $150.00, as the purchase was NOT as described.

Otherwise, I will consider pursuing the matter further, regarding the slanderous accusations made in public & private.


Of course he's (Fred) going to say it's not slanderous, he said it. ~lol~


[I have already compiled all the emails, thread printouts, eBay correspondence, original {as purchased} photos & description from the listing, etc to document this whole fiasco.]


Thank you.

Genuinely & sincerely,

Bill

a007kirbyman

608.373.7700


cc: Fred Nelson, counsel, etc. as I deem apppropriate



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As for some of the comments made in these threads, let me just say, there are a few who should consider investing in mirrors.

Let me also say, there are a lot of good people who’ve left, or almost left these two clubs [VL & VCCC], because they didn’t meet the “status quo,” were “bullied,” of do/did not like “confrontation,” etc., in any way, shape or form!!!


It’s sad, (but a reality), that people are treated like that. I for one will NOT stand for that being done to me.

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