Lake Forest, Jacksonville Florida "Dream House"

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arh1953

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I look at Trulia, Zillow, and various other places for cheap houses, just for fun. This house showed up on my email this morning, virtually unimproved, but outside of obvious detail cleaning, it looks structurally sound, neighborhood looks pretty, not upscale, but not ghetto. It's nicer than here. It's more than twice the size of my family home I occupy. And vintage touches, bathrooms need detail cleaning and TLC. Lake Forest is loaded with modest Mid Century properties, which were middle and upper middle class in the 1940's through the 1960's.  



http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/540-Estes-Rd-Jacksonville-FL-32208/44436269_zpid/
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Is it above any conceivable hurricane storem surge? That would be a primary consideration living anywhere in Florida. I have already seen a couple of places I once rented go under water during hurricanes in the past decade or so.
 
lol, that's my hometown you're talking about! If you ever moved to your Dream House, We could have Mini-Meets! 
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It's in a LOT better shape than my dream house. mine sits about 10 or so houses up the road from me, and it's been sitting since, at most recent (According to the year on a calender STILL hanging inside, the place looks like it froze in time and nature slowly went to work!), 2001. The property is coated in trees, one has even fallen over and punched a 1 x 1 hole in the Kitchen roof, right over the Brown-brand stove! I mowed the grass there about a year ago, along with doing what i could to get rid of some of the overgrowth. I'm sure the neighbors appreciated it, but I'm also sure they were wondering why a teenager was mowing the yard of a long-abandoned house! The city has thankfully done what i could not. They've started mowing the grass again, and chopped-up a fallen tree that was blocking was, well, WAS the driveway....there's nothing but grass now, don't know if there ever was a driveway to begin with! If dreams do come true, I'll put in a gravel driveway......and park the '61 DreamSoto in the 1-Car detached garage! But that's another dream....
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My brother and his wife have lived in Mandarin for more than 30 years, the rare times I visit I can see the older brick houses from the interstate, and I fell in love with them. I think Jacksonville is a beautiful area, but it makes me sad that they are trying to destroy every old thing in the city, and the suburbs. I'd enjoy mini meets, and I hope you can get your DeSoto before anything happens to it! What neighborhood is your dream house in?
 
My dream house is in the same neighborhood as my current residence! My current house was built in 1960, the dream house in 1956. 2 bedrooms, 1 bath, 1,500 square ft! Back then my neighborhood was still a dirt road, surrounded by pines! It was own by the original owners since day one. They were a married couple who had one son, their son used to play with my grandmother's brother! He was lucky enough to see the inside of the front-yard bomb shelter! Unfortunately, the husband left, our I think that was what happened. The son moved out, and the wife lived in the house until she passed many years ago. The house is trapped in time. The husband's Standard Oil I.D is sitting on a shelf next to a yellow AT&T rotary phone. The wife's prescriptions are still on the kitchen counter. A nightgown hangs on a clothesline in a back-room, never put away.family photos still hang on the wall. Nature is slowly letting itself in, I want that to change.I want to be the man to walk-up and make that house beautiful again. Replace some rotting boards, fix some holes, some fresh paint and one bwerk of a cleaning later, there's a glorious house. 


 


Thanks for the DeLuck, Arh. Wouldn't it look sporty in front of that freshly-painted time capsule of a dream house? 
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Hey arh1953!!!

That's my house, I already put a down payment on it, because last night a big blow came thru the trailer park and nearly knocked my trailer off its blocks...Oh wait a second, that was the night before...HEEHEEEHEEEHEE...just kidding, or AM I?
 
Hey cb123

I can't get in my dream house anyway, I wouldn't have much money left to live off, and I'm sure my brother would put a major damper on it anyway. I'm supposed to stay in the family owned home until I die, then it will be sold to take care of our sister's autistic son. If you get in it, we can bet it would really turn into a dream house, since you are on the right track like the rest of us!
 
Oh no arh1953, I just wanted to tryout my trailer park joke. The last time I used it was just right after " Katrina " and it got a fair amount of laughs then. Another one is...now you must ask me " How loud is it?" And I'll say, " Louder than a meth lab exploding in a trailer park...that's mighty loud!" Well, I'm sorry about your house, I sincerely wish you could get it, and another thing is, I hope your sister's son has a long, long wait. Who knows, they might even find a cure for him...that would be truly good.  
 
How are a hurricane and a divorce alike?

Someone's gonna loose a pick-up, a trailer and the dog.

But seriously flooding and the storm surge from hurricanes are what give me the willies living anywhere near the coast in the Gulf Coast or Southeast/Mid Atlantic region. The highest point in the state of Florida is the roof of a hotel in Miami! Much of Jacksonville could be inundated by a storm surge. I worked in Charleston SC after Hugo and the storm surge from that came fifty miles inland. The damage was incredible.

A modern wood frame home with sheer walls and the most recent fastening systems on a steel reinforced concrete slab will survive almost any earthquake as long as there isn't ground rupture right under the slab. I have some hands on with wood frame homes and big quakes and they do all right. Check the Aquist-Priolo fault maps before you buy and stay away from known faults. Bolt book cases, refrigerators and everything to the studs in the walls, child lock cabinet doors, don't put a lot of nick-nacks on shelves and you have very little damage afterwards. But there is almost nothing that can survive a storm surge. All you can do is run and pick up the pieces afterwards.

My dream home would use steel construction, steel frame, steel roof, various types and textures of steel, especially Corten weathering steel, tile, brick and concrete on the exterior, ceramic coatings on the roof to insulate it from heat, different ceramic coatings on the inside surfaces of the steel to insulate it (since the US Navy dumped asbestos lagging for insulating their ships,and brother you have to realize that a steel ship in 98 degree heat and direct sunlight of the North Arabian Sea gets mighty hot, too hot to even touch, the Navy switched to ceramic coatings on inside surfaces, even beneath flight decks, to obtain equal insulating values), plaster interior walls on steel latch, ceramic tile floors everywhere but the bedrooms, steel door frames throughout with granite thresholds from carpeted rooms to the hallway, solid core doors even on the interior, fire rated walls between every room, sprinklers including attic sprinklers, deeply baffled attic vents (reduces the risk of embers from a fire entering the attic and starting a fire, the usual mechanism by which homes are lost in big California wild fires), and a fire alarm system. There should be nothing in the house that is flammable except the furnishings and the carpet in the bedrooms.

The house would feature 10 foot wide verandas around the entire exterior to keep the walls shaded all day and aid keeping the home cool in the summer. All windows would be of the dual pane low-e value type with a reflective coating and rooms would feature ten foot ceilings and Big-Ass fans (check their website out). Four car detached garage, natch, with the same construction features as the house. One bay of the garage would have an electric lift and there would be a work/storage/vacuum display room with a roll up door opening into the bay with the lift. Both house and garage would use evaporative cooling with a twist, a chiller to cool the water down to about 2 degees C, just above freezing, and a heavily insulated outer cover. Coolers would be ground level under the veranda on the north side of the house and garage where they will be shaded all day. Cool air in rooms would be vented through ceiling vents into the attic space to cool it, a feature that is common today in desert homes including my present home. You slide a sheet of plastic into each of these vents for the winter to retain heat. I do this when I shut the cooler down for the winter and remove them in the spring when I fire the cooler back up.

Lots of recessed low wattage lights in the ceilings supplanted by floor lights for reading or dining. The kitchen would be fluorescent lit and bright, with a pass through to the patio for food. The dining area would have a big bay window protruding into the patio.

The property would have a solar PV array sufficient to power the entire house with the coolers, washer and dryer all running and still recharge the back up battery system so there is electricity all through the night. I would not be off grid, but want to be able to both keep the bill down in the summer and to have a back up in case power is lost due to a natural disaster, a brush fire takes out a major power transmission line, or some big malfunction on the grid that blacks out a region (we've seen that happen before)
 
Cb123, I thought your comment was funny!

Ah, my real estate hunts are pipe dreams, but my brother did say right after our mom died, that he wished I could be up there, with the same arrangement about the house in Jacksonville as was left here in Port St. Lucie. That was before his wife started her garbage about me, and of course he doesn't remember anything at all about wanting me closer to the immediate family. 


 


DesertTortoise, I don't doubt for a second what kind of horror we'd experience with something hitting Florida worse than what has hit already. The house ideas you've presented sound great for safety and maintenance, and for anywhere else in this country, besides where they were originally planned for.  
 
Well arh1953, every family has its trouble makers, if you want to get rid of her, just do what I do...lend her some money and you'll never hear nor see hide nor hair of her again...works like a charm every time! People like that, you can never mak'em  happy, just simply because they're happiest when they're unhappy. And thanks again for liking my Katrina joke, I have a couple more if you ever like to hear'em. They're  a whole lot funnier when everything is running off a generator!  
 
Wow, DesertTortoise...

That sounds like a mighty fine house...what would you say it costs per square foot, between a $100 and $150? I really like the ideal of alternative energy sources for private home use, not that high price, taxpayer subsidized techno trash being pushed, nowadays! This kinda reminds me of a story...one of them David vs. Goliath kind. It deals with a retired electrical engineer which was living his dream on a pastoral farm, some 40 miles from nowhere...until one day the power co. came along and said these most dreaded words " Eminent Domain " and they were going to bisect his property, and that there was nothing he could do about it because They Are The Law! So he took them to court and won his case.  In short, they had to put the high powered lines around the edge of his property, where stood his large A-frame barn like a monolith. Of course, the power co. now incensed desired to retaliate by not providing him with power, but being the electrical engineer he was, he soon outfitted his barn's roof with electrical wire and used the field off of the high tension power lines to generate elec. in the coil he made out of his roof. Now the power co. further incensed filed suit against the former plaintiff, but yet again the court ruled against them. I don't know about you, but it's starting sound like his brother was the judge!            
 
Every state is different. Out here there is a public law that requires a large percentage of electrical power to be from renewable sources and PV is encouraged with some tax breaks and requirements that utility companies buy and pay for any surplus power generated by individual owner's PV arrays. In Florida it is almost illegal to erect a PV array on your home, and this is true throughout much of the southeast. Power utilities positively discourage PV use and usually refuse to issue a permit for their connection to the power grid. There is no legislative pressure to do otherwise either. Out here it is against the law for a city code or condo association to prohibit owners from adding rooftop solar, including solar water heating. I think we generate about 20% of our electricity from solar and wind power now (you can have a home wind turbine as well and there are a large number of these in our area).

Steel homes are gradually becoming popular in the west but are by no means common. Some counties and cities are more experienced and comfortable with them than others and present fewer problems in terms of obtaining permits and satisfying building inspectors. There are a couple of well regarded builders in LA County and there are some stock plans that have already been approved for construction, though my home would be a one-off and generate closer scrutiny.

What kills me about both the desert and Florida/Gulf Coast are the homes in both places are all built like ranch homes or a two story New England home. They are built to look a certain way, but they are far from idea for either climate. In both the desert and the tropics you need a single story home with ten foot ceilings, a through hallway aligned with the prevailing breeze with an outside door on either end (or locate the door in a room like a living room aligned with that hallway), verandas to keep the heat off the exterior walls, ceiling fans, and a well vented attic so heat is not retained there. Look at old Florida homes, built before there was air conditioning and you see what I mean. Same thing in the desert. But I guess those kinds of homes won't sell. They don't look right, not what buyers of new homes expect. Old public buildings here also used to have very high ceilings, big ceiling fans, transoms over doors to maximize ventilation (transoms above every window is something I forgot to mention my dream home will have as well as transoms above select doors) and long halls leading to outside doors to maintain airflow through those transoms. Air conditioning has seemingly eliminated the need to design buildings for their climate.

Were I building a home from scratch for this climate it would be like I described, even if it was wood frame with a stucco exterior. Steel roof either way, high ceilings, fans, transoms, verandas, lots of ventilation in the attic but attention to detail on fire safety.
 
This thread is taking a very interesting and informative turn, with a touch of humor! I am enjoying the input, by the way. You have, for instance, the old way of doing things, high ceilings, transoms, wide porches, or new construction that is well thought out with real world considerations. And the phenomenon of houses constructed all over the United States that don't really fit the clime or terrain, just what "looked" good to the consumers of the time. 


 


I would have been the consumer darling of the 1950's, I'd have bought by looks, with practicality taking second place. I would have to have had some dream cars for my new ranch too.

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