ultimatevacman
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My Mum has dropped her Henry down the stairs twice now! (Not on purpose!). It's survived both falls without a single mark and works perfectly 
KIRBY VS. DYSON
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hi-loswitch98
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Dysons in my opinion are poor quality & even when you wash the filters they still smell. Overpriced heap of junk that fluffs up firt & makes it appear you've sucked up loads when you really haven't.
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I also fell down stairs WITH Henry, but it dosen't help that our stairs are actually wooden & the hose is long as it gets caught around your feet!
I did have several bruises though...
I did have several bruises though...
ultimatevacman
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Did Henry push you down the stairs or something? 
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ultimatevacman
I was carrying it out to the car, we had it upstairs & I fell, the hose got wrapped around my feet & I crashed down. Then I lay still at the bottom with Henry on top of me.
I was carrying it out to the car, we had it upstairs & I fell, the hose got wrapped around my feet & I crashed down. Then I lay still at the bottom with Henry on top of me.
ultimatevacman
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Oh dear, Henry tried to trip you over! :O
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Yes, & it wasn't good as I was 9 at the time!
ultimatevacman
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I bet it wasn't pleasant! and I bet you didn't like Henry much after that!
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No I still like him, well, we have a different one now so it's all good.
thekirbylover
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jamie
a motor isn't structural but your making out like your 1000 is on amazing condition and has had nothing replaced or anything wrong with it, I pointed out that its had a new motor
a motor isn't structural but your making out like your 1000 is on amazing condition and has had nothing replaced or anything wrong with it, I pointed out that its had a new motor
sebo_fan
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Yes. that seems to be an issue that JM doesn't wish to acknowledge- not exactly built well when a machine requires a new motor.
Still, when other things are considered - how a motor can withstand the fair knocks etc with daily life it is good to know what the brands are doing to seal the motor as well as protect it. I can't speak for every machine I own but I know SEBO go to lengths of offering protection for their sealed motor on board the K1 series.
Still, when other things are considered - how a motor can withstand the fair knocks etc with daily life it is good to know what the brands are doing to seal the motor as well as protect it. I can't speak for every machine I own but I know SEBO go to lengths of offering protection for their sealed motor on board the K1 series.
alexhoovers94
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"Yes. that seems to be an issue that JM doesn't wish to acknowledge- not exactly built well when a machine requires a new motor."
If you are implying that the Turbopower 1000 is not built well then I am horrified to say the least!
thekirbylover
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If you are implyying that the Turbopower 1000 is not built w
two words, bag door
two words, bag door
alexhoovers94
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The bag doors splitting was due to the structual design of the bag door, not the plastic...The rest of the machine was made from the same plastic, should that not split too under force? The only thing I have ever seen broken on a Turbo 2 is the bag door.
Needless to say, they apparently fixed that issue with the inroduction of the Turbopower 3...I have a Turbopower 3 and it's bag door is not split and no other Turbopower 3 that I have seen, has had a spilt bag door.
sebo_fan
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Alex - have a look at the Which test scans I've added if you have the time.
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Dirty mess
Sorry Dyson owners, I appreciate the engineering of the Dyson, they started a new trend. But the truth is Bagless vacuums are a dirty mess to own and maintain. No vacuum shop owner uses one in their home.
Sorry Dyson owners, I appreciate the engineering of the Dyson, they started a new trend. But the truth is Bagless vacuums are a dirty mess to own and maintain. No vacuum shop owner uses one in their home.
thekirbylover
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No vacuum shop owner uses one in their home.
well there are 2 people in who commented on this thread who are vacuum shop owners who use dysons
well there are 2 people in who commented on this thread who are vacuum shop owners who use dysons
gsheen
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I own a Vacuum shop and not only do I use dyson vacuums at home, I also sell them and am very proud of that fact, I think they are awesome, They clean fantastically. Recently when we did renovations on our house the builder lifted up a carpet in a heavy walked in area. His question to my wife was what vacuum do we use as he has never lifted up a carpet and not found sand under it before. He bought a dyson from us the next day.
I even owned a dyson when I worked for there competition.
I believe in the product and you would never convice me that a Kirby is better than a dyson. I own many Kirby's just by the way.
In my house, a normal household with cats dogs, Two young sons you cannot beat the user friendliness of a dyson. when I get home from work at 7 pm My wife is cooking supper and I get to cleaning. I love my vintage vacuum collection but It would take me hours to clean my house with any one of them.
Much like a Vintage car collector I have my "toys " the ones that appeal to my collector side but then I have my workhorse, a dyson which gets used like it would in any other home. I tried some years back to use a Kirby sentria to do a normal clean of my house after 2 hours I was fed up with having to keep dissembling the machine to switch between carpets and hardfloors and furniture.
Now on to the actual topic. Tom is right the average consumer finds a Kirby to heavy to cumbersome, They will find the same thing with any direct air upright vacuum which is why the convertible will never see the light of day again. Just look at the number of Kirby's for sale on ebay, hardly used, Customers buy into the salesman's speech but as soon as they try it themselves they hate it.
I have said it before asking a question like which is better Kirby or dyson is basically just wanting to create drama. Its like asking which is better BMW or Mercedes on a car forum you are just going to get fights.
There seems to be a misguided view that just because we like vintage vacuums and we think they were better every one else will too. If consumers wanted a Hoover convertible trust me Hoover would be making it.
Put it this way, Would you trade in your comfortable Pick up truck with air conditioning , heated seats, power steering airbags abs brakes powerful yet efficient engine for a 1930 Model a ford pick up ? Sure it would look cool but that coolness would wear off when it kept overheating in traffic and you froze to death inside because theirs no heater and you got 2 miles to a gallon ( exaggerated but hopefully you get my point )At the end of the day company's produce what consumers want, In 40 years time people on this forum will be going oh how I wish they still made vacuums like they did in 2013.
I even owned a dyson when I worked for there competition.
I believe in the product and you would never convice me that a Kirby is better than a dyson. I own many Kirby's just by the way.
In my house, a normal household with cats dogs, Two young sons you cannot beat the user friendliness of a dyson. when I get home from work at 7 pm My wife is cooking supper and I get to cleaning. I love my vintage vacuum collection but It would take me hours to clean my house with any one of them.
Much like a Vintage car collector I have my "toys " the ones that appeal to my collector side but then I have my workhorse, a dyson which gets used like it would in any other home. I tried some years back to use a Kirby sentria to do a normal clean of my house after 2 hours I was fed up with having to keep dissembling the machine to switch between carpets and hardfloors and furniture.
Now on to the actual topic. Tom is right the average consumer finds a Kirby to heavy to cumbersome, They will find the same thing with any direct air upright vacuum which is why the convertible will never see the light of day again. Just look at the number of Kirby's for sale on ebay, hardly used, Customers buy into the salesman's speech but as soon as they try it themselves they hate it.
I have said it before asking a question like which is better Kirby or dyson is basically just wanting to create drama. Its like asking which is better BMW or Mercedes on a car forum you are just going to get fights.
There seems to be a misguided view that just because we like vintage vacuums and we think they were better every one else will too. If consumers wanted a Hoover convertible trust me Hoover would be making it.
Put it this way, Would you trade in your comfortable Pick up truck with air conditioning , heated seats, power steering airbags abs brakes powerful yet efficient engine for a 1930 Model a ford pick up ? Sure it would look cool but that coolness would wear off when it kept overheating in traffic and you froze to death inside because theirs no heater and you got 2 miles to a gallon ( exaggerated but hopefully you get my point )At the end of the day company's produce what consumers want, In 40 years time people on this forum will be going oh how I wish they still made vacuums like they did in 2013.
sebo_fan
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Its no longer about trust but about making money.
Im going to use the words that Turbo500/Chris reiterates in another thread, here.
"...As collectors, over time, we all of course find out own preferences in things purely through using a shed load of different vacuums. A general consumer doesn't give a flying fig about brush rolls and motor noise and other things mentioned. A general consumer does not always enjoy vacuuming..."
Consumers aren't demanding for bagless vacuums either - its what the brands have coerced consumers into buying - same with food processors that years ago you could never place the same jug on the same motor where the main larger wide bowl goes for shredding cheese etc. As buyers we are made to feel that we have is insufficient and outdated - it goes with every kind of appliance, not just with vacuums. It's just that more so with floorcare brands who have now tapped into China as a resource that bagless vacuums and appliances are cheaper to produce than going "in-house" and creating an entirely new vacuum from the ground up. Oh yes, the U.S have superb in-house independent brands that offer a ton of bagged vacuums - but we in the UK have only had Kirby and Oreck from the U.S - we're not lucky enough to have Riccar and other brands.
In the UK, the major brands other than SEBO and Miele offer bagless and bagged vacuums, even if the bagged vacuums in terms of variety have fallen by the wayside. Brands no longer offer brand loyalty; that is clear from the lack of bagged vacuums with a variety of styles and more to do with trying to outdo the next rival by offering more flexible cyclonic bagless vacuums, not just by the look but by heaping free tools on etc as extra incentives or making outlandish claims such as "best selling," a sales phrase that Hoover Europe have continually promoted with their bagged Purepower upright.
The irony is that most consumers in the UK at least will keep buying Hoover's heavy and horrid Purepower upright because they will want the brand's past reputation in the present. They have no interest in a brush roll design, or how the dust is captured, or even the design process of the vacuum in general. Those after modern bagless design will try for Dyson if they can afford it and similarly, those captured by Kirby's selling skills for their uprights will also go for the Kirby if they can afford it. Those who can't afford it have plenty of brands and offerings to choose from.
End of the day, consumers aren't really being considered anymore - the aim from the brands is to make money and in the quickest way possible.
I'm thankful that Kirby still exists as a way of offering an alternative to the bagless army, though. We should be grateful enough that not every brand sells bagless cyclonic vacs exclusively.
Im going to use the words that Turbo500/Chris reiterates in another thread, here.
"...As collectors, over time, we all of course find out own preferences in things purely through using a shed load of different vacuums. A general consumer doesn't give a flying fig about brush rolls and motor noise and other things mentioned. A general consumer does not always enjoy vacuuming..."
Consumers aren't demanding for bagless vacuums either - its what the brands have coerced consumers into buying - same with food processors that years ago you could never place the same jug on the same motor where the main larger wide bowl goes for shredding cheese etc. As buyers we are made to feel that we have is insufficient and outdated - it goes with every kind of appliance, not just with vacuums. It's just that more so with floorcare brands who have now tapped into China as a resource that bagless vacuums and appliances are cheaper to produce than going "in-house" and creating an entirely new vacuum from the ground up. Oh yes, the U.S have superb in-house independent brands that offer a ton of bagged vacuums - but we in the UK have only had Kirby and Oreck from the U.S - we're not lucky enough to have Riccar and other brands.
In the UK, the major brands other than SEBO and Miele offer bagless and bagged vacuums, even if the bagged vacuums in terms of variety have fallen by the wayside. Brands no longer offer brand loyalty; that is clear from the lack of bagged vacuums with a variety of styles and more to do with trying to outdo the next rival by offering more flexible cyclonic bagless vacuums, not just by the look but by heaping free tools on etc as extra incentives or making outlandish claims such as "best selling," a sales phrase that Hoover Europe have continually promoted with their bagged Purepower upright.
The irony is that most consumers in the UK at least will keep buying Hoover's heavy and horrid Purepower upright because they will want the brand's past reputation in the present. They have no interest in a brush roll design, or how the dust is captured, or even the design process of the vacuum in general. Those after modern bagless design will try for Dyson if they can afford it and similarly, those captured by Kirby's selling skills for their uprights will also go for the Kirby if they can afford it. Those who can't afford it have plenty of brands and offerings to choose from.
End of the day, consumers aren't really being considered anymore - the aim from the brands is to make money and in the quickest way possible.
I'm thankful that Kirby still exists as a way of offering an alternative to the bagless army, though. We should be grateful enough that not every brand sells bagless cyclonic vacs exclusively.
