Kirby Avalir 2?

[oreck_xl]

Because even the lay person trading in say a G4 is gonna realize in terms of aesthetics the machine hasn't changed much at all. Locally speaking Kirby is NOT doing well, as there are only 3 distributors left in the New York area. Many have already closed and I don't hear of any new ones. It's a very dated design and the Tech Drive added unnecessary bulk. Again, I hope I'm wrong but how long can Kirby pass off the same old S#&% on customers? Twenty eight years is long enough.

 

[vacfan1982]

Imaging being a Kirby designer.

Can you think of a more boring job than that?

 

[oreck_xl]

Add to my last

It's not a perfect machine - never was. There were some things about it's predecessor the Legend II that were actually better like the smaller front nozzle (aka "Granny head"). Unless I can obtain a pre-war model with the original black bag at a FAIR price I have no burning desire to add any more Kirbys to my collection.

 

[kirbysthebest]

Oreck_XL

Dude, Chill.
If you don't like Kirby, ok, that is your prerogative. Move on.

 

[oreck_xl]

That's just it though, I do. I'm just very disenchanted with the new Avalir 2. I was excited as anyone when I saw the Generation 3 for the first time, and the G4, G5 and so on. I just expected a total redesign from Kirby by now....

 

[human]

Volkswagen built the original Type I Beetle for 65 years from 1936-2003, so Kirby's got a ways to go yet to beat that record.

 

[juju93]

So can anyone who already has the new avalir2, can someone post the dvd or at lease clips of it for us to view?The only reason why Im interested in the dvd/vhs is because of the camera work and the editing and adding in the title screens for each new chapter, not to mentioned the music they add in. What I would like to know is how far in advance do the owners manual (dvd/vhs (older generations) get taped/produce prior to the production/release date of each new unit. Like for example the AVALIR was release in October of 2014, how far in advance was the manual taped?

 

[tolivac]

DVD videos are no longer provided with Kirby vacuums-My first Avalir had one-the later ones didn't.
Brushless motors-these now can have the same or even higher torque than universal motors and over a wider speed range with newer electronics-but as pointed out the motor is larger and also has the circuit boards along with it.Would be a challenge to put that in the Kirbys.I have 2 lawn mowers cordless electric powered by brushless motors-these even have more torque than the gas ones they replaced.And you can get 60-80V cordless electric chainsaws that have similar brushless motors.and it takes torque to drag a saw chain thru thick wood!Same with circular saws-DeWalts new caordless circular saws have the brushless motors-another problem with them at present is their higher
cost.As time goes on think the cost of these will go down.And when we say brushless motors-do we mean switched reluctance or brushless DC-they are similar but not the same-the Brushless DC-the magnets are on the rotor rather than the stator as on brushed PM DC motors.And when you spin a Brushless DC motor by hand you feel a "cogging" effect.The SR motor turns smoothly-with almost no resistance.-and no brush sounds.

 

[juju93]

Why does everybody keep bringing up this brushless motor. And I don't believe KIRBY would stop making the dvd's for their systems, especially since a lot of people don't read the printed format, because they probably want to see it in live action in a home setting. Also if KIRBY did come up with a brushless motor then it would be mentioned somewhere in the manual, as the motor is the key feature of how the system operates. I would hope they continue to make dvd videos for their new models, even if they come out with new features, such as brushrolls, tools, ect. And most certainly if they do a complete redisign then they would most certainly have to come up with a dvd demonstration video.

 

[KirbyCollector01]

I found out from another collector that it is not brushless.
It’s still the same exact machine.

 

[human]

I think most of the VHS and DVD content is now available through YouTube and while they're great to watch, there's really not much need to own a physical copy unless you just really want one for the sake of completeness. Due to the incremental nature of changes between models, you could watch any Kirby product video going back at least to the G5 and learn pretty much everything you need to know about using an Avalir, save for its updated shampooer. The smart thing for Kirby to do to reduce video production costs would be to archive the existing videos on their Web site and then produce supplemental videos for items with specific changes for new models.

 

[juju93]

What I even notice during the avalir's owners manual is that it mentioned a "floor care system", however there was no "floor care system" produce fot this model. Another thing I noticed was the avalir dvd did not mentioned the miracle shine kit, which Kirby could've added anytime during production of the dvd, or another scenario would be to upload a separate video demonstrating how to use it. Another thing kirby didn't do a good job presenting was the tile and grout kit. I believe it was mentioned for 30 seconds on what it was and what its used for, It just wasn't mentioned long enough.

What I've noticed is that when KIRBY updates their website with each new model they also update the videos that way it matches the new model thats being presented. If this is the case I hope the avalir2 has a dvd for us to view.

Because lets be honest no one who purchases a KIRBY unit reads the manual (rather their new to kirby or not), they rather watch the dvd because most people want a live action demonstration (rather than door-to-door people) to see how the unit functions in an in home use.

 

[pr-21]

The last floor care system was for the Sentria II, that I know of. You can find them at Goodvac.com


or Ebay. I use the carpet fluffer to raise the nap on my carpet which is now about 7 years old. Does


a great job. Also I might add that since the new stiffer brush rolls, it is not as necessary to do this


as often.


 


 


PR-21


Bud

 

[juju93]

If the last floor care system was for the sentria II, then why did kirby have one mentioned in the AVALIR's dvd?

 

[human]

It's possible the DVD could have been produced before the decision to discontinue the floor care system was made.

 

[juju93]

I kind of want KIRBY to come out with a baby blue model with white accent pieces and hopefully re-release the handi butler tool (sentria version).

 

[sptyks]

Are you guys saying that the Avalir no longer has a Floor Care / Shampoo System available as an option? Why would it have been discontinued?


 


 

 

[juju93]

They still have the Multi Surface Shampoo System, which has a brush kit (the miracle shine kit) that basically does the same thing as the Floor Care System, therefor the floor care system isn't needed anymore. I mean hey thats all I can think of. And the miracle shine kit takes up less space than the floor care system.

 

[Miss Mercy]

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[evilvacuumman]

It's officially released as video are on the Kirby YouTube channel.


http://https//youtu.be/cvK8kko1O1o