Wouldn't the "Avalir 2" be the one that has the red wheels and bag topper?Then the blue one the "Avalir3"?That blue one just looks weird.Like the black-red better.
Kirby Avalir 2?
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juju93
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whats new with this unit?
What I'd like to know is what is new with this kirby model. We know that during the original avalir run they changed the trim on the unit and then change the design of the shampoo box, which is really minor. And then they also changed from the tool caddy and switch to a tool bag, which is great. My thing is what is new with this unit? Thats what Id like to know. Just by looking at that 1 picture it just looks like they changed the trim on it and changed the box and outter bag. Granite they couldve changed more and we just don't know it, but it be nice to see more of it. Also by looking at this unit, it looks like they did away with the chrome belt lifter (sentria-avalir 1) and went back to using the belt lifter material that they've previous used. Also if they did changed the color from the previous one they mustve went back to the grey/black trim like they originally had on the previous avalir (rather it be the bag toper, upper cord hook, or the wheels). What I mean is during the previous avalir they added more red trim to it and then they changed that back to black and grey. Well it looks like they went back to the original trim and then changed other parts of the units color.
What I'd like to know is what is new with this kirby model. We know that during the original avalir run they changed the trim on the unit and then change the design of the shampoo box, which is really minor. And then they also changed from the tool caddy and switch to a tool bag, which is great. My thing is what is new with this unit? Thats what Id like to know. Just by looking at that 1 picture it just looks like they changed the trim on it and changed the box and outter bag. Granite they couldve changed more and we just don't know it, but it be nice to see more of it. Also by looking at this unit, it looks like they did away with the chrome belt lifter (sentria-avalir 1) and went back to using the belt lifter material that they've previous used. Also if they did changed the color from the previous one they mustve went back to the grey/black trim like they originally had on the previous avalir (rather it be the bag toper, upper cord hook, or the wheels). What I mean is during the previous avalir they added more red trim to it and then they changed that back to black and grey. Well it looks like they went back to the original trim and then changed other parts of the units color.
sptyks
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JUJU93
I don't think we will find out what was changed other than the colors until the Avalir2 is officially released. When Kirby starts selling them, we will find out.
I don't think we will find out what was changed other than the colors until the Avalir2 is officially released. When Kirby starts selling them, we will find out.
juju93
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sptyks
Your right about that. But just by looking at one pic (lol) theres not much to tell about it. To be honest it doesn't look like much of a color change. It just looks like they changed the trim and the storage box (for the unit). I just would like to see some more pics of it or a link to the source that this was found. I know this may sound silly but I hope the dvd has a better explaination (more detailed instructions) on the tile and grout kit and miracle shine kit.
Your right about that. But just by looking at one pic (lol) theres not much to tell about it. To be honest it doesn't look like much of a color change. It just looks like they changed the trim and the storage box (for the unit). I just would like to see some more pics of it or a link to the source that this was found. I know this may sound silly but I hope the dvd has a better explaination (more detailed instructions) on the tile and grout kit and miracle shine kit.
crazykirbydude
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I think that Kirby has innovated itself into a corner. They won't release a vacuum until it can outperform the current model. The Avalir is as good as it gets. They can't possibly modify the Em-Tor to get more airflow.
Whatever it is, that may be a pre-production model which is different from what we finally get. The pictures clearly aren’t professional, Kirby certainly hasn’t said anything about this new model yet, and IMO the vacuum in the picture does not look like a finished product. It looks to me like it could be a mashup of new blue parts and current black Avalir parts. I’m having a hard time believing that they would release a new model whose plastic pieces don’t all match. Then again, look at the current Avalir...
tseg
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I suppose when Kirby executes an on/off brush roll switch for hard wood floors I may consider one. Also needs a lifetime belt.
juju93
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They never do say anything about releasing a new model. I hope your right about this probably being the final product. Its like I said in previous postings, It just looks like a trim color change, nothing else and a box design change. Speaking of color change does anyone know why they changed the dial and elbow hose color on the ms3 system. What I mean is when the avalir came out the dial and elbow hose was red and now its grey. Does anybody know why they went from red to grey and why they changed the design of the shampoo box?
What I would also like to see changed is the ability to turn the brushroll off with a switch instead of the current method of disengaging it. I would also like for them to come out with an electric hose and wand that way it can truely be used as a canister unit (with a motorized or belt driven brushbar of course). I would also like to see the acoustics worked on as well as the weight (i think we can all agree they are a bit heavy to carry up and down the stairs). Don't get me wrong on the zippbrush but I think they could change that also. What I'd like to see to that accessory is to be able to not having to taking it off the hose and clean it. Like what I mean is all the dirt and depris goes straight into the unit instead of on the tool to clean off. Also putting a motor in it wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Other than that, thats what I'd like to see chang on a kirby unit. And also can someone adress the issue about the shampoo dial, elbow hose and box for the ms3 and why kirby decided to change it after its been in prodcution for majority of the Avalir cycle. I know its minor changes but its stuff like that, that keeps me needing to know more. (Hence me asking for more pics/ a link to the new avalir2
What I would also like to see changed is the ability to turn the brushroll off with a switch instead of the current method of disengaging it. I would also like for them to come out with an electric hose and wand that way it can truely be used as a canister unit (with a motorized or belt driven brushbar of course). I would also like to see the acoustics worked on as well as the weight (i think we can all agree they are a bit heavy to carry up and down the stairs). Don't get me wrong on the zippbrush but I think they could change that also. What I'd like to see to that accessory is to be able to not having to taking it off the hose and clean it. Like what I mean is all the dirt and depris goes straight into the unit instead of on the tool to clean off. Also putting a motor in it wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Other than that, thats what I'd like to see chang on a kirby unit. And also can someone adress the issue about the shampoo dial, elbow hose and box for the ms3 and why kirby decided to change it after its been in prodcution for majority of the Avalir cycle. I know its minor changes but its stuff like that, that keeps me needing to know more. (Hence me asking for more pics/ a link to the new avalir2
human
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Radical redesign?
Adding a switch-controlled brush roll to a Kirby would require a radical redesign. The brush rolls on all Kirby models, practically from the beginning of time, are powered directly from the motor via a drive belt. To make it switch operated would require a twin-motor design like the Electrolux (Discovery/Epic/Genesis/ProLux/etc.) uprights. In fact, the machine JUJU93 is describing would essentially be a kirbified version of an Electrolux upright. Somehow, I just don't see Kirby going down that road.
Adding a switch-controlled brush roll to a Kirby would require a radical redesign. The brush rolls on all Kirby models, practically from the beginning of time, are powered directly from the motor via a drive belt. To make it switch operated would require a twin-motor design like the Electrolux (Discovery/Epic/Genesis/ProLux/etc.) uprights. In fact, the machine JUJU93 is describing would essentially be a kirbified version of an Electrolux upright. Somehow, I just don't see Kirby going down that road.
sptyks
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Kirby Redesign...
I agree with human 100%.
I do not see a Kirby with a separate brushroll motor anytime soon. This would add considerable cost to an already very expensive machine.
I have a friend who is a Kirby distributor who told me that Kirby will not introduce a completely redesigned machine unless it has greater than, or at least equal to, cleaning performance as the current Avalir. The current G series platform is almost impossible to beat when it comes to cleaning performance. Completely redesigning the current G series platform and meeting or exceeding the current cleaning performance of the current Avalir is a formidable task.
Kirby has built several completely redesigned prototypes over the past 2 decades, but none of them could outclean the current G series design. They tried adding a more powerful motor with a larger fan, but the noise level was unacceptable. In the meantime, it looks like we will be stuck with the G series platform for a while.
Kirby company is in good health and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It currently has sales of about 500,000 units per year with about a third of those sales overseas.
I agree with human 100%.
I do not see a Kirby with a separate brushroll motor anytime soon. This would add considerable cost to an already very expensive machine.
I have a friend who is a Kirby distributor who told me that Kirby will not introduce a completely redesigned machine unless it has greater than, or at least equal to, cleaning performance as the current Avalir. The current G series platform is almost impossible to beat when it comes to cleaning performance. Completely redesigning the current G series platform and meeting or exceeding the current cleaning performance of the current Avalir is a formidable task.
Kirby has built several completely redesigned prototypes over the past 2 decades, but none of them could outclean the current G series design. They tried adding a more powerful motor with a larger fan, but the noise level was unacceptable. In the meantime, it looks like we will be stuck with the G series platform for a while.
Kirby company is in good health and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It currently has sales of about 500,000 units per year with about a third of those sales overseas.
vacfan1982
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Kirby will stay on the same road till the end of time. It does get very boring.
oreck_xl
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Locally speaking, Kirby is NOT in good health. In the New York area, there are only 3 distributors left and I hear nothing about new ones opening up. The Generation platform is NOT a perfect one and after 28 years of warmed over models, a change is desperately needed. Other than some slight cosmetic changes I really have no desire for the Avalir 2 over my Generation 3. Wacky graphics and bright colors are not what's going to sell new machines. In the next 5 years Kirby, Filter Queen and Aerus may all have bit the dust....
juju93
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so the changes to the ms3 system
So does anyone know why kirby changed the color of the shampoo tank dial and elbow (they were bot originally red and now theyre grey) hose on the shampoo system during the "end" of the avalir cycle. Ans why they changed the shampoo box design as well? I just think that grey doesn't go well with the sysem, especailly since theres nothing really even grey on the unit itself, so why put it on the shampooer?
As for that comment about a second motor I was referring to the zippbrush needing to have a motor in it or at lease suck up all the dirt and debris,instead of having to take the tool off itself and clean it.
I would like to see the handi butler (sentria version) be re-release. I think that tool couldve had so much potential if it was presented quite a bit. Now that I think about it, in the sentria dvd it didnt demonstrate using the tool in the tabletop position (where the unit is mounted on a table and the air intake guard is attach to the unit and the tool is attach to that instead of the hose). The dvd only mentioned the handi butler in the canister mode. But my point is I think if it had been better presented it couldve had potential.
So does anyone know why kirby changed the color of the shampoo tank dial and elbow (they were bot originally red and now theyre grey) hose on the shampoo system during the "end" of the avalir cycle. Ans why they changed the shampoo box design as well? I just think that grey doesn't go well with the sysem, especailly since theres nothing really even grey on the unit itself, so why put it on the shampooer?
As for that comment about a second motor I was referring to the zippbrush needing to have a motor in it or at lease suck up all the dirt and debris,instead of having to take the tool off itself and clean it.
I would like to see the handi butler (sentria version) be re-release. I think that tool couldve had so much potential if it was presented quite a bit. Now that I think about it, in the sentria dvd it didnt demonstrate using the tool in the tabletop position (where the unit is mounted on a table and the air intake guard is attach to the unit and the tool is attach to that instead of the hose). The dvd only mentioned the handi butler in the canister mode. But my point is I think if it had been better presented it couldve had potential.
juju93
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does anyone know?
So does anyone know why kirby changed the color of the shampoo tank dial and elbow (they were both originally red and now theyre grey) hose on the shampoo system during the "end" of the avalir cycle. Also why they changed the shampoo box design as well? I just think that grey doesn't go well with the sysem, especailly since theres nothing really even grey on the unit itself, so why put it on the shampooer?
So does anyone know why kirby changed the color of the shampoo tank dial and elbow (they were both originally red and now theyre grey) hose on the shampoo system during the "end" of the avalir cycle. Also why they changed the shampoo box design as well? I just think that grey doesn't go well with the sysem, especailly since theres nothing really even grey on the unit itself, so why put it on the shampooer?
human
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Probably just standardizing to a single color. Of course, the question remains why they wouldn't standardize to match the current model.
juju93
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does anyone know when?
Hey has anyone heard anything about the "avalir 2" **cough cough sentria 4** on its release date or any other information. Also can anyone post the link to the facebook page that this was first discovered?
Hey has anyone heard anything about the "avalir 2" **cough cough sentria 4** on its release date or any other information. Also can anyone post the link to the facebook page that this was first discovered?
oldskoolguy
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That color scheme is just amazing! I love the shimmer they put in the middle of the K. Words cannot describe how cool it is. Human, the new mini emtor for the sentria II was first introduced in the late model (2012) Sentrias. Let’s also not forget that Kirby has introduced the Split Second III, so it has redesigned one of its other models. I think the difference is the handle design and the switch.
juju93
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has anyone heard anything about this new model or have recieved it yet? if so can someone post something about it, in regards to pictures, functions and if theres anything new about it. I found a facebook page that just started posting stuff about the new model and from what I can tell its still the same basic black color just with a few blue trims and so the same color tools and accessories as the previous avalir model.
Talked to "Brian" the Kirby rep I deal with-and the new ones are just coming out-Kirby has to use up its supply of the red trimmed ones.Supposed to be real soon.Brain EMailed me a picture of the Black-Blue Avalir-just like what was posted here earlier.He is anxious to get these machines.
juju93
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@ tolivac
Well from what I can tell the only thing that I've notice that change is the belt lifter. It seems they did away with the chrome belt lifters and went back to the old material that they used to do.
@tolivac anyway you could post any of those pics on here. Do you know if they updated the owners manual (book graphics and maybe also the dvd)? Also Did you ask your friend what is new with this unit.
Me personally, I want to get a kirby but I don't want to get one if there eventually going to "redisgn" it within the next few years.Thats one of the reasons why I didn't get a sentria 2, because I was hoping for a redisgn for the avalir. (sadly that didn't happen). Don't get me wrong I love the G-Series, I just want to see some improvements like, re-enguinnerring the sound to make it more quieter as well as the weight of the unit.
Well from what I can tell the only thing that I've notice that change is the belt lifter. It seems they did away with the chrome belt lifters and went back to the old material that they used to do.
@tolivac anyway you could post any of those pics on here. Do you know if they updated the owners manual (book graphics and maybe also the dvd)? Also Did you ask your friend what is new with this unit.
Me personally, I want to get a kirby but I don't want to get one if there eventually going to "redisgn" it within the next few years.Thats one of the reasons why I didn't get a sentria 2, because I was hoping for a redisgn for the avalir. (sadly that didn't happen). Don't get me wrong I love the G-Series, I just want to see some improvements like, re-enguinnerring the sound to make it more quieter as well as the weight of the unit.
KirbyCollector01
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Adam Mercer posted on his Instagram recently a better picture of the Avalir 2. I will post it on here for all you to see. So this isn’t my picture either.
Credit goes to Adam for posting it.
Credit goes to Adam for posting it.
juju93
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idk why they came out with a blue box for the new avalir if the only thing that is blue is certin trims on it. Not even the shampoo box or tool bag are blue. Idk about the manuals though. I feel like this isnt much of a color change to even release a new unit. In my personal opinion the real deffinition of a color change would be sentria 2. They went from grey/lavender (sentria) to a brownish tan (sentria 2). With the avalir it only looks like they changed the trim from red to blue and then change the font of the word avalir and added a 2 to it, as well as change the belt lifter from crome to plastic. They didn't even change the pattern design either. I was really hoping for more blue than anything. But don't get me wrong im sure kirby is coming up with something great for the next model if they kept their current avalir and tweaked it a bit, but if they're gonna do a color change, change the color completly and not just the trim and font and belt lifter.
so far based of the previous avalir I can tell that the new model will introduce the followings:
updated belt lifter
the tool bag
probably new type of bags
havent seen anything new with the MS3 (Multi-Surface Shampoo System) to think theyve updated. unless they came up with more brushrolls and functions for it.
so far based of the previous avalir I can tell that the new model will introduce the followings:
updated belt lifter
the tool bag
probably new type of bags
havent seen anything new with the MS3 (Multi-Surface Shampoo System) to think theyve updated. unless they came up with more brushrolls and functions for it.
honestjoe68
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I wonder if the Tech Drive pedal on the Drive side, will be blue.. or the shampoo hose or the suction control valve on the attachment handle. Has anyone seen the attachments yet.. are they the obvious choice, Black?
Do you think the Zipp Brush will be the same black model they sell now?
I’m just not sure after looking at the pics for a while.. I love the color blue, it’s my favorite.. but I’m Not thrilled with the bag design. It doesn’t seem classy or sophisticated enough for a Kirby. Oh well it’s still very nice and I’m sure it will be popular.
I’m still thrilled with my Kirby Sentria 2 and it’s colors! I know a lot of members here weren’t fond of the Sentrai 2 bag design, but I LOVE it! I’m also a huge fan of the color of the attachment tools too. I’m just SO tired of grey and black on vacuums. Does anyone else wish Kirby would come out with a brightly colored design with Orange or bright Turquoise.. or maybe a bright Grass Green??
I’m an odd ball.. Lol
Do you think the Zipp Brush will be the same black model they sell now?
I’m just not sure after looking at the pics for a while.. I love the color blue, it’s my favorite.. but I’m Not thrilled with the bag design. It doesn’t seem classy or sophisticated enough for a Kirby. Oh well it’s still very nice and I’m sure it will be popular.
I’m still thrilled with my Kirby Sentria 2 and it’s colors! I know a lot of members here weren’t fond of the Sentrai 2 bag design, but I LOVE it! I’m also a huge fan of the color of the attachment tools too. I’m just SO tired of grey and black on vacuums. Does anyone else wish Kirby would come out with a brightly colored design with Orange or bright Turquoise.. or maybe a bright Grass Green??
I’m an odd ball.. Lol
I like the current Avalir better than the blue one.
juju93
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see nothing matches with the avalir 2. Like the big box doesn't match the shampoo box nor the tool bag (in terms of coloring). To be honest kirby shouldve made the shampoo box blue, as well as the dial on the shampoo tank as well as the elbow hose that connects the tank and nozzle. Can someone post pics of what the owners manual looks like (dvd and book)?
juju93
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Dont mind me asking but, who here has already gotten the new avalir 2? If so, whats new with it.
you know what also came to my mind, is the tile and grout kit, as well as the miracle shine kit. Now this may sound rediculous of me to ask or hope for, but hopefully kirby updated the coloring on those boxes as well. Like for example. the tile and grout kit for the avalir is red and white and says "design exclusively for the avalir", well hopefully they updated that to a blue and white color scheme and says design for the ms3 system. As for the mircale shine box, which is red and black, hopefully they change that to blue and black.
To me its the little things like the packaging design, and the manuals that bother me a lot. For those who do have the new avalir 2 can you tell me if the dvd mentions a more detailed instructions on the tile and grout. Also does it mentioned the miracle shine kit. I ask this question because the previous avalir didn't mentioned much on said tile and grout kit and it also doesn't mentioned the miracle shine kit at all.
you know what also came to my mind, is the tile and grout kit, as well as the miracle shine kit. Now this may sound rediculous of me to ask or hope for, but hopefully kirby updated the coloring on those boxes as well. Like for example. the tile and grout kit for the avalir is red and white and says "design exclusively for the avalir", well hopefully they updated that to a blue and white color scheme and says design for the ms3 system. As for the mircale shine box, which is red and black, hopefully they change that to blue and black.
To me its the little things like the packaging design, and the manuals that bother me a lot. For those who do have the new avalir 2 can you tell me if the dvd mentions a more detailed instructions on the tile and grout. Also does it mentioned the miracle shine kit. I ask this question because the previous avalir didn't mentioned much on said tile and grout kit and it also doesn't mentioned the miracle shine kit at all.
I don't know how to link the picture sent to my phone.Got a call from Brian earlier and he told me the machines are now on the market.He has mine reserved for me along with the other red trimmed Avalir.He is going to bring them to me sometime very soon-next week.He is in Raleigh.He serves both Raleigh and Atlanta part time-so Brian travels a lot.He is also recovering from a bad car crash where a drunk driver hit him and totaled his car and he got hurt.He's OK and has a new car.Besides the Blue-black one for me he ordered one for himself-I inspired Brian to become a collector-and another for some other customer.We will be the first to have one of these in this area.Anxious to get these!!!
honestjoe68
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@tolivac
Wow Congratulations Rex!
PLEASE share pics of your beautiful new Kirby’s as soon as he delivers them. I am excited for you and can’t wait to hear what is different from the Avalir 1.
Thanks for sharing and I look forward to hearing about and seeing pics your new Kirbys.
Have a great day!
Wow Congratulations Rex!
PLEASE share pics of your beautiful new Kirby’s as soon as he delivers them. I am excited for you and can’t wait to hear what is different from the Avalir 1.
Thanks for sharing and I look forward to hearing about and seeing pics your new Kirbys.
Have a great day!
juju93
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For those who have recieved the new unit what improvements have been made compare to the previous avalir? Also if anyone has a youtube channel can someone upload a video of the avalir2 and what comes with it and what has been improved since the previous unit. Also can someone upload the avalir 2 owners manual on youtube. I only ask because itll be a liftime before kirby uploads it to their youtube channel, most likely next year. Also did anyone get the tile and grout kit/ miracle shine kit and or turbo accessory with the new avalir2, if so can y'all post pics of that too.
appreciate it.
appreciate it.
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