juju93
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pics please
I just wanna see some more pics of it
I just wanna see some more pics of it
Kirby Avalir 2?
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Same old
Nothing new from the Kirby.
This is why I bought the Gsix. I paid 200 euros for it, but it was completely reconditioned. I just upgraded the brushroll to the stiff one. I also use Hepa bags. It works like a dream and there is no way I will be buying the never model.
Yes the Avalir 2 looks very good, but the real improvements are minor.
Nothing new from the Kirby.
This is why I bought the Gsix. I paid 200 euros for it, but it was completely reconditioned. I just upgraded the brushroll to the stiff one. I also use Hepa bags. It works like a dream and there is no way I will be buying the never model.
Yes the Avalir 2 looks very good, but the real improvements are minor.
reo580
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Reminds me of the Tradition.
vac-o-matic
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Sad...
Just sad. Whatever happened to the all new Kirby that appeared on here in blue print form from a member that worked in a patent office? I had even heard prototypes were put into test markets? Things have been made up before and posted here...just sayin'.
Just sad. Whatever happened to the all new Kirby that appeared on here in blue print form from a member that worked in a patent office? I had even heard prototypes were put into test markets? Things have been made up before and posted here...just sayin'.
panasonicvac
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I also agree that this reminds me of a Tradtion but I also think that this reminds me of a G4 since I thought those were blue when I was little lol. However though, I don't like the logo on the bag. Overall I think I like the red color and the bag logo on the other Avalir better, it reminds me of a Heritage II and that's my favorite Kirby of all time. I hope one of these days, I would like to see a Avalir or another Kirby that's green again because that's my favorite color on a vacuum lol.
juju93
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What Id like to see change
There are a few things I'd like to see changed in a kirby unit, rather it be a new design or still g-series unit, is the sound of it. I think kirby should work on its acoustics and not make it so noisy, especially when using it on hard service floors. And on the topic of hard surface floors I also think the Multi-Surface-shampoo system should somewhat be redisign too. I say this because, say you wanna get rid of your mop and bucket but you can't becuase theres those few spots that can't fit the MS3 system. And on top of that the MS3 is somewhat wide and bulky, which won't do good if you wanna get into hard to reach places, rather that be mopping floors or shampooing carpets.Both of these things is what I think should be addressed in future designes. I say this because a quieter unit and a smaller size floor mop accesory would be an ideal match. I mean how many of yall use the orginal avalir or earlier with the ms3 and think that its way to loud to use for scrubbing the floors. Also how many of yall can't get into hard to reach places rather it be shampooing or mopping with the current MS3 system? Can someone please post more pics or the link for this new kirby.
There are a few things I'd like to see changed in a kirby unit, rather it be a new design or still g-series unit, is the sound of it. I think kirby should work on its acoustics and not make it so noisy, especially when using it on hard service floors. And on the topic of hard surface floors I also think the Multi-Surface-shampoo system should somewhat be redisign too. I say this because, say you wanna get rid of your mop and bucket but you can't becuase theres those few spots that can't fit the MS3 system. And on top of that the MS3 is somewhat wide and bulky, which won't do good if you wanna get into hard to reach places, rather that be mopping floors or shampooing carpets.Both of these things is what I think should be addressed in future designes. I say this because a quieter unit and a smaller size floor mop accesory would be an ideal match. I mean how many of yall use the orginal avalir or earlier with the ms3 and think that its way to loud to use for scrubbing the floors. Also how many of yall can't get into hard to reach places rather it be shampooing or mopping with the current MS3 system? Can someone please post more pics or the link for this new kirby.
pr-21
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For wood and hard surface I just use a microfiber mop with Kirby's Hard Surface Floor Cleaner. It does a great
job and dries quickly. I just mop backwards out of each room, and throw the mop pad in the laundry when
done. Microfibertech, has really nice mops and pads.
I do have the Avalir system but don't like it for mopping. It doesn't get into tight spaces and the instructions
say you need to have a cloth handy to mop up excess liquid, who wants to do that? I do however think it
does a good job at shampooing.
PR-21
Bud
job and dries quickly. I just mop backwards out of each room, and throw the mop pad in the laundry when
done. Microfibertech, has really nice mops and pads.
I do have the Avalir system but don't like it for mopping. It doesn't get into tight spaces and the instructions
say you need to have a cloth handy to mop up excess liquid, who wants to do that? I do however think it
does a good job at shampooing.
PR-21
Bud
juju93
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release the pics of the new kirby please
human
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Generation differences
Yes, the differences in the various G-series Kribys have been extremely minor other than cosmetics. Here's a rundown of the functional (not purely cosmetic) improvements from one model to the next that I'm aware of:
G3=>G4: Improved Tech Drive
G4=>G5: Brush roll status light moved to the opposite side of the brush roll for no apparent reason; bag redesigned
G5=>G6: lower profile, rounded emptor introduced, supposedly less susceptible to impact damage; Micron filter bags introduced
G6=>Ultimate G: outer bag redesigned with curved zipper for easier access; rounded bag topper introduced
Ultimate G=>Ultimate G Diamond Edition: Two-speed switch introduced for this model only.
Ultimate G Diamond Edition =>Sentria: More ergonomic, lighter weight (and more fragile) handle design; LED headlight; improved brush roll introduced; optional delicate brush roll introduced; larger rubber bumper on the nozzle
Sentria=>Sentria 2: Mini emptor introduced offering improved air flow
Sentria 2=>Avalir: Improved shampoo system introduced. Handle redesigned, perhaps to save weight.
Other than that, my understanding is the 'guts' of a G3 are pretty much identical to those of an Avalir.
Yes, the differences in the various G-series Kribys have been extremely minor other than cosmetics. Here's a rundown of the functional (not purely cosmetic) improvements from one model to the next that I'm aware of:
G3=>G4: Improved Tech Drive
G4=>G5: Brush roll status light moved to the opposite side of the brush roll for no apparent reason; bag redesigned
G5=>G6: lower profile, rounded emptor introduced, supposedly less susceptible to impact damage; Micron filter bags introduced
G6=>Ultimate G: outer bag redesigned with curved zipper for easier access; rounded bag topper introduced
Ultimate G=>Ultimate G Diamond Edition: Two-speed switch introduced for this model only.
Ultimate G Diamond Edition =>Sentria: More ergonomic, lighter weight (and more fragile) handle design; LED headlight; improved brush roll introduced; optional delicate brush roll introduced; larger rubber bumper on the nozzle
Sentria=>Sentria 2: Mini emptor introduced offering improved air flow
Sentria 2=>Avalir: Improved shampoo system introduced. Handle redesigned, perhaps to save weight.
Other than that, my understanding is the 'guts' of a G3 are pretty much identical to those of an Avalir.
honestjoe68
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@human
Thanks for the breakdown on the differences on each Kirby model. I LOVE the Kirby website (see my link) description of each and every Kirby made, with its improvements and intitial release date! So cool and fun to see the pics with the improvements. You just tap on each model to see comparisons.. thanks Kirby Company!
Just wanted to share the Kirby website link and say thanks for the info.
I’m enjoying the Kirby Koolaid Lol.. I’d forgotten how much I missed my Kirby and this gorgeous Sentria II is soooo much nicer than my last only other Kirby, a Generation 3!
I’m wondering if the Avalir 2 pics are just to throw us enthusiasts off and Kirby really has a totally new design? Wouldn’t that be exciting!
http://https//www.kirby.com/about-kirby/our-models/
Thanks for the breakdown on the differences on each Kirby model. I LOVE the Kirby website (see my link) description of each and every Kirby made, with its improvements and intitial release date! So cool and fun to see the pics with the improvements. You just tap on each model to see comparisons.. thanks Kirby Company!
Just wanted to share the Kirby website link and say thanks for the info.
I’m enjoying the Kirby Koolaid Lol.. I’d forgotten how much I missed my Kirby and this gorgeous Sentria II is soooo much nicer than my last only other Kirby, a Generation 3!
I’m wondering if the Avalir 2 pics are just to throw us enthusiasts off and Kirby really has a totally new design? Wouldn’t that be exciting!
http://https//www.kirby.com/about-kirby/our-models/
Wouldn't the "Avalir 2" be the one that has the red wheels and bag topper?Then the blue one the "Avalir3"?That blue one just looks weird.Like the black-red better.
juju93
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whats new with this unit?
What I'd like to know is what is new with this kirby model. We know that during the original avalir run they changed the trim on the unit and then change the design of the shampoo box, which is really minor. And then they also changed from the tool caddy and switch to a tool bag, which is great. My thing is what is new with this unit? Thats what Id like to know. Just by looking at that 1 picture it just looks like they changed the trim on it and changed the box and outter bag. Granite they couldve changed more and we just don't know it, but it be nice to see more of it. Also by looking at this unit, it looks like they did away with the chrome belt lifter (sentria-avalir 1) and went back to using the belt lifter material that they've previous used. Also if they did changed the color from the previous one they mustve went back to the grey/black trim like they originally had on the previous avalir (rather it be the bag toper, upper cord hook, or the wheels). What I mean is during the previous avalir they added more red trim to it and then they changed that back to black and grey. Well it looks like they went back to the original trim and then changed other parts of the units color.
What I'd like to know is what is new with this kirby model. We know that during the original avalir run they changed the trim on the unit and then change the design of the shampoo box, which is really minor. And then they also changed from the tool caddy and switch to a tool bag, which is great. My thing is what is new with this unit? Thats what Id like to know. Just by looking at that 1 picture it just looks like they changed the trim on it and changed the box and outter bag. Granite they couldve changed more and we just don't know it, but it be nice to see more of it. Also by looking at this unit, it looks like they did away with the chrome belt lifter (sentria-avalir 1) and went back to using the belt lifter material that they've previous used. Also if they did changed the color from the previous one they mustve went back to the grey/black trim like they originally had on the previous avalir (rather it be the bag toper, upper cord hook, or the wheels). What I mean is during the previous avalir they added more red trim to it and then they changed that back to black and grey. Well it looks like they went back to the original trim and then changed other parts of the units color.
sptyks
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JUJU93
I don't think we will find out what was changed other than the colors until the Avalir2 is officially released. When Kirby starts selling them, we will find out.
I don't think we will find out what was changed other than the colors until the Avalir2 is officially released. When Kirby starts selling them, we will find out.
juju93
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sptyks
Your right about that. But just by looking at one pic (lol) theres not much to tell about it. To be honest it doesn't look like much of a color change. It just looks like they changed the trim and the storage box (for the unit). I just would like to see some more pics of it or a link to the source that this was found. I know this may sound silly but I hope the dvd has a better explaination (more detailed instructions) on the tile and grout kit and miracle shine kit.
Your right about that. But just by looking at one pic (lol) theres not much to tell about it. To be honest it doesn't look like much of a color change. It just looks like they changed the trim and the storage box (for the unit). I just would like to see some more pics of it or a link to the source that this was found. I know this may sound silly but I hope the dvd has a better explaination (more detailed instructions) on the tile and grout kit and miracle shine kit.
crazykirbydude
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I think that Kirby has innovated itself into a corner. They won't release a vacuum until it can outperform the current model. The Avalir is as good as it gets. They can't possibly modify the Em-Tor to get more airflow.
Whatever it is, that may be a pre-production model which is different from what we finally get. The pictures clearly aren’t professional, Kirby certainly hasn’t said anything about this new model yet, and IMO the vacuum in the picture does not look like a finished product. It looks to me like it could be a mashup of new blue parts and current black Avalir parts. I’m having a hard time believing that they would release a new model whose plastic pieces don’t all match. Then again, look at the current Avalir...
tseg
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I suppose when Kirby executes an on/off brush roll switch for hard wood floors I may consider one. Also needs a lifetime belt.
juju93
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They never do say anything about releasing a new model. I hope your right about this probably being the final product. Its like I said in previous postings, It just looks like a trim color change, nothing else and a box design change. Speaking of color change does anyone know why they changed the dial and elbow hose color on the ms3 system. What I mean is when the avalir came out the dial and elbow hose was red and now its grey. Does anybody know why they went from red to grey and why they changed the design of the shampoo box?
What I would also like to see changed is the ability to turn the brushroll off with a switch instead of the current method of disengaging it. I would also like for them to come out with an electric hose and wand that way it can truely be used as a canister unit (with a motorized or belt driven brushbar of course). I would also like to see the acoustics worked on as well as the weight (i think we can all agree they are a bit heavy to carry up and down the stairs). Don't get me wrong on the zippbrush but I think they could change that also. What I'd like to see to that accessory is to be able to not having to taking it off the hose and clean it. Like what I mean is all the dirt and depris goes straight into the unit instead of on the tool to clean off. Also putting a motor in it wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Other than that, thats what I'd like to see chang on a kirby unit. And also can someone adress the issue about the shampoo dial, elbow hose and box for the ms3 and why kirby decided to change it after its been in prodcution for majority of the Avalir cycle. I know its minor changes but its stuff like that, that keeps me needing to know more. (Hence me asking for more pics/ a link to the new avalir2
What I would also like to see changed is the ability to turn the brushroll off with a switch instead of the current method of disengaging it. I would also like for them to come out with an electric hose and wand that way it can truely be used as a canister unit (with a motorized or belt driven brushbar of course). I would also like to see the acoustics worked on as well as the weight (i think we can all agree they are a bit heavy to carry up and down the stairs). Don't get me wrong on the zippbrush but I think they could change that also. What I'd like to see to that accessory is to be able to not having to taking it off the hose and clean it. Like what I mean is all the dirt and depris goes straight into the unit instead of on the tool to clean off. Also putting a motor in it wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Other than that, thats what I'd like to see chang on a kirby unit. And also can someone adress the issue about the shampoo dial, elbow hose and box for the ms3 and why kirby decided to change it after its been in prodcution for majority of the Avalir cycle. I know its minor changes but its stuff like that, that keeps me needing to know more. (Hence me asking for more pics/ a link to the new avalir2
human
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Radical redesign?
Adding a switch-controlled brush roll to a Kirby would require a radical redesign. The brush rolls on all Kirby models, practically from the beginning of time, are powered directly from the motor via a drive belt. To make it switch operated would require a twin-motor design like the Electrolux (Discovery/Epic/Genesis/ProLux/etc.) uprights. In fact, the machine JUJU93 is describing would essentially be a kirbified version of an Electrolux upright. Somehow, I just don't see Kirby going down that road.
Adding a switch-controlled brush roll to a Kirby would require a radical redesign. The brush rolls on all Kirby models, practically from the beginning of time, are powered directly from the motor via a drive belt. To make it switch operated would require a twin-motor design like the Electrolux (Discovery/Epic/Genesis/ProLux/etc.) uprights. In fact, the machine JUJU93 is describing would essentially be a kirbified version of an Electrolux upright. Somehow, I just don't see Kirby going down that road.
sptyks
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Kirby Redesign...
I agree with human 100%.
I do not see a Kirby with a separate brushroll motor anytime soon. This would add considerable cost to an already very expensive machine.
I have a friend who is a Kirby distributor who told me that Kirby will not introduce a completely redesigned machine unless it has greater than, or at least equal to, cleaning performance as the current Avalir. The current G series platform is almost impossible to beat when it comes to cleaning performance. Completely redesigning the current G series platform and meeting or exceeding the current cleaning performance of the current Avalir is a formidable task.
Kirby has built several completely redesigned prototypes over the past 2 decades, but none of them could outclean the current G series design. They tried adding a more powerful motor with a larger fan, but the noise level was unacceptable. In the meantime, it looks like we will be stuck with the G series platform for a while.
Kirby company is in good health and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It currently has sales of about 500,000 units per year with about a third of those sales overseas.
I agree with human 100%.
I do not see a Kirby with a separate brushroll motor anytime soon. This would add considerable cost to an already very expensive machine.
I have a friend who is a Kirby distributor who told me that Kirby will not introduce a completely redesigned machine unless it has greater than, or at least equal to, cleaning performance as the current Avalir. The current G series platform is almost impossible to beat when it comes to cleaning performance. Completely redesigning the current G series platform and meeting or exceeding the current cleaning performance of the current Avalir is a formidable task.
Kirby has built several completely redesigned prototypes over the past 2 decades, but none of them could outclean the current G series design. They tried adding a more powerful motor with a larger fan, but the noise level was unacceptable. In the meantime, it looks like we will be stuck with the G series platform for a while.
Kirby company is in good health and is not going anywhere anytime soon. It currently has sales of about 500,000 units per year with about a third of those sales overseas.
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