hi-loswitch98
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What about Vax Adam I'm sure they were advertising jobs for designers.
James Dyson: "The EU should spur invention, not mediocrity"
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Yes - shame really I think Dyson have just become too big and lost the human touch. James has forgotten how he had to struggle. Sounds like you have lots of skills you can use. I think you have the idea job - I would love to work in Currys selling vacs, that is my dream job. Sure your grandparents are very proud of you and just wanted you to be happy in whatever you do. Don't forget, please still sell Dysons - I am sure one day you will like them again!! I have gone off them before but always come back to them eventually.
vintagerepairer
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Disability
It has been a good deal of years since I was involved in HR and recruitment, so I admit I know so little about it now. However, I was given to understand that a disability or any other aspect of one's life which requires a whole section of an application form of it's own was in fact an advantage to the applicant as the potential employer could not be seen to be discriminating? I was also lead to believe that larger organisations are obliged to fulfill a "quota" too, so it could possibly be that Dyson is already staffed by a high number people with aspergers. Of course if that is the case, dare I say that you may be better placed than most to persevere with your applications to Dyson. I am sorry to learn of your news Adam, but don't let it hold you back.
It has been a good deal of years since I was involved in HR and recruitment, so I admit I know so little about it now. However, I was given to understand that a disability or any other aspect of one's life which requires a whole section of an application form of it's own was in fact an advantage to the applicant as the potential employer could not be seen to be discriminating? I was also lead to believe that larger organisations are obliged to fulfill a "quota" too, so it could possibly be that Dyson is already staffed by a high number people with aspergers. Of course if that is the case, dare I say that you may be better placed than most to persevere with your applications to Dyson. I am sorry to learn of your news Adam, but don't let it hold you back.
oliveoiltinfoil
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Very interesting reading through these comments on peoples interpretations on power and what is and isn't "deep cleaning". I am glad these new legislations have come in and what they are forcing manufacturers to do, and its interesting to see how different companies are responding. Vax/TTI are responding well, having already got a range of "eco" labelled products out which are as powerful, or more effective at cleaning as some of their models with 3 times the wattage motors. I can vouch for that as my vax eco air I made a thread of last week is the only vacuum that sticks itself to the carpet as you pull back, the rear wheels lift off the ground. I put that down to good seal of the head, and the machine is very light, it isn't hard to push or pull, just very nice knowing that it is deep cleaning, and the dirt which bounces around before it gets sucked up, adds to that sense, and it is 820 watts combined. Probably 700 watts for the suction motor, 120 for floor head maybe ?
With any type of motor, the wattage or capacity says nothing about it efficiency. In the same way my Audi TDI is quicker and has more pulling power than my dads Lexus he had 10 years ago, yet I get 60 MPG out of mine, in the same way, numatic can say their 580w motor has more airflow than their 1200 motor, but obviously uses less power.
If manufacturers can suddenly do all this now without scratching their heads thinking how they can produce low wattage powerful motors, why haven't they done it before? We all know they used to, up until he 90's, 500, 700 and 900 watt motors were popular. I guess we all know its about making something as cheap as possible, profit making. The new EU reg's are a good idea, I like the A to G rating of pick up performance on carpets and hard floors, and exhaust emissions. People will be able to make a ore accurate decision about purchasing their cleaners and should spur more competition.
I still stand by what I first said when we heard about these regulations. I hope the EU are doing this to simply spur innovation and make manufacturers actually work on the products they are producing, I hope it's none of this environmental rubbish, even though it helps, if they are really worried about that, focus on making kettles more energy efficient, people use them a lot more than vacuums!
Also, someone here mentioned about twin fan motors. Could someone explain what that is ? Is it a clean air motor with two fans?
With any type of motor, the wattage or capacity says nothing about it efficiency. In the same way my Audi TDI is quicker and has more pulling power than my dads Lexus he had 10 years ago, yet I get 60 MPG out of mine, in the same way, numatic can say their 580w motor has more airflow than their 1200 motor, but obviously uses less power.
If manufacturers can suddenly do all this now without scratching their heads thinking how they can produce low wattage powerful motors, why haven't they done it before? We all know they used to, up until he 90's, 500, 700 and 900 watt motors were popular. I guess we all know its about making something as cheap as possible, profit making. The new EU reg's are a good idea, I like the A to G rating of pick up performance on carpets and hard floors, and exhaust emissions. People will be able to make a ore accurate decision about purchasing their cleaners and should spur more competition.
I still stand by what I first said when we heard about these regulations. I hope the EU are doing this to simply spur innovation and make manufacturers actually work on the products they are producing, I hope it's none of this environmental rubbish, even though it helps, if they are really worried about that, focus on making kettles more energy efficient, people use them a lot more than vacuums!
Also, someone here mentioned about twin fan motors. Could someone explain what that is ? Is it a clean air motor with two fans?
DesertTortoise
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I believe it means two fan stages in the suction motor. Nothing new about that.
What I am seeing is a movement towards smaller lower power but higher rpm motors. They spin then literally ten thousand rpm or more faster than more traditional motors. Often these will also have single stage fans, probably to save money on manufacturing. So what you have are very high rpm motors, 32000 rpm and up, with single stages that can match or sometimes even exceed the air watts of the more traditional motors (look at the specs of a Lamb 119539 single stage 5.1 inch motor with an eye popping 484 air watts and compare these to the specs of the well regarded but more traditional Lamb 115923 two stage 5.7 inch motor with 447 air watts) but they are doing this at the expense of longevity. I have three decade old vacuums that use these traditional motors and, judging from the amount of carbon brush remaining, they are not even half way through their service life, and they have at least one overhaul maybe two before the armature or stator are beyond saving. You won't get that kind of service out of one of these new high rpm motors.
What I am seeing is a movement towards smaller lower power but higher rpm motors. They spin then literally ten thousand rpm or more faster than more traditional motors. Often these will also have single stage fans, probably to save money on manufacturing. So what you have are very high rpm motors, 32000 rpm and up, with single stages that can match or sometimes even exceed the air watts of the more traditional motors (look at the specs of a Lamb 119539 single stage 5.1 inch motor with an eye popping 484 air watts and compare these to the specs of the well regarded but more traditional Lamb 115923 two stage 5.7 inch motor with 447 air watts) but they are doing this at the expense of longevity. I have three decade old vacuums that use these traditional motors and, judging from the amount of carbon brush remaining, they are not even half way through their service life, and they have at least one overhaul maybe two before the armature or stator are beyond saving. You won't get that kind of service out of one of these new high rpm motors.
dyson, motor wattage and performance
Was looking at some older threads and found this one. First, I'm not a fan of bagless vacuums, Dyson or any other company and would never have one, they're messy to empty and if they use filters, they will clog much more quickly. Dyson has done a lot of marketing which is why they have done so well, many people don't take the time to really research what they are buying, if it sounds good and looks good, they buy it. Regarding motor power, I live in the United States, and I'm not really a fan of governments telling manufacturers how things must be made. A much better approach is for consumers to start voting with what they purchase for lower power, well designed vacuums, if they refuse to do the research and buy a bad product, then it's on them. Many times we have governments passing laws that make it no longer necessary for people to take personal responsibility for things. All of this talk about motor power reminds me of some older vacuums that clean very well with motors that are much lower power. I have an electrolux 1205, made in the early 1970's. Motor power is 535 watts. Would it win a suction contest against a current vacuum model? No, but is it able to remove the dirt from the floor and other surfaces? Yes. Another vacuum that comes to mind is the Sunbeam Dual Deluxe. This came out in the late 1950's and actually could compete with the suction and airflow of a current vacuum. It used a 900 watt motor which was the highest wattage of a vacuum back then. It used one fan and it was about the size of a dinner plate. So, while I'm not a fan of the government forcing manufacturers to lower the power on their motors, it is definitely possible to clean just as well with a motor in the 500 to 900 watt range.
Was looking at some older threads and found this one. First, I'm not a fan of bagless vacuums, Dyson or any other company and would never have one, they're messy to empty and if they use filters, they will clog much more quickly. Dyson has done a lot of marketing which is why they have done so well, many people don't take the time to really research what they are buying, if it sounds good and looks good, they buy it. Regarding motor power, I live in the United States, and I'm not really a fan of governments telling manufacturers how things must be made. A much better approach is for consumers to start voting with what they purchase for lower power, well designed vacuums, if they refuse to do the research and buy a bad product, then it's on them. Many times we have governments passing laws that make it no longer necessary for people to take personal responsibility for things. All of this talk about motor power reminds me of some older vacuums that clean very well with motors that are much lower power. I have an electrolux 1205, made in the early 1970's. Motor power is 535 watts. Would it win a suction contest against a current vacuum model? No, but is it able to remove the dirt from the floor and other surfaces? Yes. Another vacuum that comes to mind is the Sunbeam Dual Deluxe. This came out in the late 1950's and actually could compete with the suction and airflow of a current vacuum. It used a 900 watt motor which was the highest wattage of a vacuum back then. It used one fan and it was about the size of a dinner plate. So, while I'm not a fan of the government forcing manufacturers to lower the power on their motors, it is definitely possible to clean just as well with a motor in the 500 to 900 watt range.
sebo_fan
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The reality is that consumers are not voting because most if not all couldn't care less about a mere vacuum cleaner chalking up a power bill.
In my opinion there's no point in quoting older vintage vacuums because that was in the past and lets face it, all of these brands that you mention also sold on the believe that the higher the power, the better the suction. Just a simple marketing advertising tool to push the product along the sales chart.
In my opinion there's no point in quoting older vintage vacuums because that was in the past and lets face it, all of these brands that you mention also sold on the believe that the higher the power, the better the suction. Just a simple marketing advertising tool to push the product along the sales chart.
turbo500
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Isn't there already a limit on vacuums in the US, but in AMPS? I believe the most powerful you can get is 12 AMP (about 1200w?)...correct me if I'm wrong.
Under current NEC electric codes they specify an 80% continous load for US 15A 120V branch circuits.Think the portable vac makers stay in this so they don't have chance of violating the codes.Think its a voluntary thing.Just about all US portable vacuums have the NEMA 15A 120V plug.Cn be 3 wire-has third pin ground or 2 pin polarized-no third pin ground connector on the plug-used on all plastic body vacuums.12A qualifies as the 80% load for a 15A line.I have run my MD Silentmaster on a 15A circuit with no problems.Its rated right at 15A 120V.Plug and outlet run cool-even if the vacuum has been run for a long time-like about an hour.MD suggests in the owners manual that it be run off a dedicated (no other appliances connected) 20A 120V outlet-the machine has the 15A plug.18A is considered the 80% load for a 20A 120V circuit.
sptyks
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Chris, The maximum amperage for a vacuum cleaner in the US is 12 Amps which is equal to 1440 watts. The formula ic calculated thusly: 12amps x 120 volts = 1440 watts.
turbo500
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Thanks Stan, I knew it was something like that
sptyks
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You're welcome Chris.
