marcusprit
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I've never used a Vorwerk so I can't comment. But there are some very nice European vacs was my point.
Isn't it just.. Beautiful?! :-)
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gsheen
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Were I think that Vorwek and Sebo need some recognition is they have both marketed themselves as Upright vacuums in a european market that prefers cylinders. Voorwek has always had a Barefloor option But Sebo until the launch of the felix had upright vacuums tbat could not clean hardfloors effectivly and yet they are designed in a country that hardly has fitted carpets.
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Good point. Sebo do also have cylinder vacs too though.
And they come from a commercial background.
In the UK it is mostly uprights.
And they come from a commercial background.
In the UK it is mostly uprights.
madaboutsebo
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I love my Kobold VK150 very pleased with its all round performance. Quite like the design of the VK140/150 light weight and a slim profile. I would love to try the older Kobold models at some point too. For Vorwerk the VK140/150 was a complete new design they where prepared to go with (and happy to do so) and I would say a new direction the company are taking the Kobold in especially for future evolutions of the Kobold.
The hose must be longer on the VK150 compared to the VK140 as I've noticed when I store it in the accessory bag, I have to wrap it around again to fit it in ok. The pictures I've seen of the VK140 hose it fits straight in, so it must have been made longer!?
When I was demonstrated the DIY accessory for drilling the guy attached it to the flexible extendable crevice tool which was attached either to the hose or extendable wand. The main unit was on the floor, when switched on the attachment glued it self to the wall so you could use both hands to drill. There was no marks left on the walls the attachment has rubber seals around it. This may have changed from the VK140 I don't know. I thought it was very good. Obviously the higher up you drill the setup will only reach so far with the main unit being on the floor without you then having to carry the machine up with you by the strap! Which probably wouldn't be ideal if you are climbing up a ladder for example. Again this may have changed from the VK140.
I can only comment on the VK150 so it's great to get other comments from people that have owned, tried or used the other Kobold models before the VK150.
The hose must be longer on the VK150 compared to the VK140 as I've noticed when I store it in the accessory bag, I have to wrap it around again to fit it in ok. The pictures I've seen of the VK140 hose it fits straight in, so it must have been made longer!?
When I was demonstrated the DIY accessory for drilling the guy attached it to the flexible extendable crevice tool which was attached either to the hose or extendable wand. The main unit was on the floor, when switched on the attachment glued it self to the wall so you could use both hands to drill. There was no marks left on the walls the attachment has rubber seals around it. This may have changed from the VK140 I don't know. I thought it was very good. Obviously the higher up you drill the setup will only reach so far with the main unit being on the floor without you then having to carry the machine up with you by the strap! Which probably wouldn't be ideal if you are climbing up a ladder for example. Again this may have changed from the VK140.
I can only comment on the VK150 so it's great to get other comments from people that have owned, tried or used the other Kobold models before the VK150.
sebo_fan
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"...But Sebo until the launch of the felix had upright vacuums tbat could not clean hardfloors effectivly and yet they are designed in a country that hardly has fitted carpets...."
Same could be said for NILFISK who are Danish by origin. Their homes are hardly fitted with carpets unless you go for designer carpet treads or carpet tiles. Like SEBO, NILFISK are more commercial than domestic, based.
Same could be said for NILFISK who are Danish by origin. Their homes are hardly fitted with carpets unless you go for designer carpet treads or carpet tiles. Like SEBO, NILFISK are more commercial than domestic, based.
ralph123
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Dan isn't kidding...
Since Felix has been for sale at Costco.com for several years, there are many reviews of the Sebo Felix. After reading through several reviews, it's clear that Felix is a wonderful vacuum for low to medium pile carpeting. But for thicker piles, it can be difficult to use.
Here are a couple of reviews that seem to agree with Dan's view.
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Difficult to push on plush carpet
Pros: well designed, quality materials, great functionality, good suction
Cons: difficult to push on moderate pile carpet, canister builds up heat quickly
Model Number: Sebo Felix 1 Premium
" Although I like the design, flexibility and build quality, I had to return this product as it was exceptionally challenging to push this vacuum on our carpeting. At first I though my wife was simply being a wimp about it, but she made me vacuum a single room and it was a real workout (yes - I even adjusted the setting to the highest level and it was still a workout to push).
Vacuum works great on hardwood floors and very low pile carpet. Our carpet really isn't that plush or high of a pile, so I would think it would be next to impossible to operate on truly high pile or plush carpet.
Other reviews complaining about the canister heat build up are also true - but I would have lived with this flaw, as I liked just about everything else about the machine. Larger wheels probably would help quite a bit. "
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Here's another:
A real arm workout
Pros: seems well made
Cons: heavy, does not roll easily
Model Number: 576050
" I was really excited about ordering this vacuum after reading all the great reviews but I returned it the same day I received it. It is *very* heavy and hard to push! After vacuuming with it for 5 minutes I could tell that I was 1. going to have a very sore shoulder and 2. I was going to detest vacuuming from now on if I kept this vacuum. A vacuum this heavy needs to have a power assist on the wheels. "
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
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Again, the Sebo can be a wonderful vacuum for low to medium pile carpeting.
Since Felix has been for sale at Costco.com for several years, there are many reviews of the Sebo Felix. After reading through several reviews, it's clear that Felix is a wonderful vacuum for low to medium pile carpeting. But for thicker piles, it can be difficult to use.
Here are a couple of reviews that seem to agree with Dan's view.
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Difficult to push on plush carpet
Pros: well designed, quality materials, great functionality, good suction
Cons: difficult to push on moderate pile carpet, canister builds up heat quickly
Model Number: Sebo Felix 1 Premium
" Although I like the design, flexibility and build quality, I had to return this product as it was exceptionally challenging to push this vacuum on our carpeting. At first I though my wife was simply being a wimp about it, but she made me vacuum a single room and it was a real workout (yes - I even adjusted the setting to the highest level and it was still a workout to push).
Vacuum works great on hardwood floors and very low pile carpet. Our carpet really isn't that plush or high of a pile, so I would think it would be next to impossible to operate on truly high pile or plush carpet.
Other reviews complaining about the canister heat build up are also true - but I would have lived with this flaw, as I liked just about everything else about the machine. Larger wheels probably would help quite a bit. "
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Here's another:
A real arm workout
Pros: seems well made
Cons: heavy, does not roll easily
Model Number: 576050
" I was really excited about ordering this vacuum after reading all the great reviews but I returned it the same day I received it. It is *very* heavy and hard to push! After vacuuming with it for 5 minutes I could tell that I was 1. going to have a very sore shoulder and 2. I was going to detest vacuuming from now on if I kept this vacuum. A vacuum this heavy needs to have a power assist on the wheels. "
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
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Again, the Sebo can be a wonderful vacuum for low to medium pile carpeting.
sebo_fan
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Dan isn't god, but then neither are any of us.
There are pros and cons to every review, as there are to every vacuum. I'd have my Felix over any Kirby though. Not because I don't like the Kirby brand (I do) but simply because my home isn't suitable for a Kirby upright.
It is suitable for a Vorwerk, but at the basic price it is far too high in my experience.
There are pros and cons to every review, as there are to every vacuum. I'd have my Felix over any Kirby though. Not because I don't like the Kirby brand (I do) but simply because my home isn't suitable for a Kirby upright.
It is suitable for a Vorwerk, but at the basic price it is far too high in my experience.
gsheen
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Nilfisk Mostly manufacture Canister vacuums so It is idealy suited to euro based homes with no carpet. It was not untill they bought out Kent and Electrolux commercial aswell as Advance that they started selling uprights.
Sebo mostly make uprights its what they are known for.
Nilfisk Mostly manufacture Canister vacuums so It is idealy suited to euro based homes with no carpet. It was not untill they bought out Kent and Electrolux commercial aswell as Advance that they started selling uprights.
Sebo mostly make uprights its what they are known for.
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Yes Sebo are well known for their uprights as they are some of the most reliable you can get. But they now have the D series, K series and E series cylinders. Excellent cylinders too.
Nar, Dan thinks he's god though.God of vacuums haha
Nar, Dan thinks he's god though.God of vacuums haha
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kirbyloverdan
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Wow I'm a God
And never even knew it aww shucks guys now my big head is even bigger
Seems I'm not the only one who thinks Felix is horrible on thick carpet I love the looks of the vacuum seems built well but not good for my carpets and the hose set up is a joke . It looks pretty sitting in the closet though .
Dan aka God
And never even knew it aww shucks guys now my big head is even bigger
Seems I'm not the only one who thinks Felix is horrible on thick carpet I love the looks of the vacuum seems built well but not good for my carpets and the hose set up is a joke . It looks pretty sitting in the closet though .
Dan aka God
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sebo_fan
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gsheen - I'm failing to see your point. In your reply 38, you state that you feel Vorwerk and SEBO need some recognition in that they have uprights in a European market that prefers cylinders. But for all intents and purposes that would be a purely domestic setting. Vorwerk may well produce commercial vacuums, I dont know I have never seen any.
But SEBO of course dominate the market with their commercial uprights in Europe.
Given that for the most part, the UK are UPRIGHT buyers or those who favour uprights in a domestic setting, what does it say for Numatic? They're not exactly producing upright vacs.
Both SEBO and Numatic have advertising, but usually in cleaning magazines produced for commercial cleaners.
Whilst, yes SEBO NOW have a full range of domestic vacs, they will forever be a commercial vac company.
But SEBO of course dominate the market with their commercial uprights in Europe.
Given that for the most part, the UK are UPRIGHT buyers or those who favour uprights in a domestic setting, what does it say for Numatic? They're not exactly producing upright vacs.
Both SEBO and Numatic have advertising, but usually in cleaning magazines produced for commercial cleaners.
Whilst, yes SEBO NOW have a full range of domestic vacs, they will forever be a commercial vac company.
ralph123
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sebo_fan - I'm failing to see your point. If you look at my link, there are also many people who love their Felix. The point is that it is difficult to use on certain carpet types (Felix isn't unique in that regard). Some carpet types are difficult to maintain.
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Personally I wouldn't have deep pile carpet. Its not very hygienic is it.
So Sebo will never be a problem for me.
So Sebo will never be a problem for me.
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kirbyloverdan
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Hygienic
Smygenic blah blah blah that's where the Kirby's deep cleaning prowess excels where all other vacuums falter ...
Dan aka God
Smygenic blah blah blah that's where the Kirby's deep cleaning prowess excels where all other vacuums falter ...
Dan aka God
turbo500
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Smygenic blah blah blah
Wow.
There's nothing quite like embracing eachothers culture in a welcoming discussion, is there?
Wow.
There's nothing quite like embracing eachothers culture in a welcoming discussion, is there?
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Haha it's just tongue in cheek Chris just a bit of harmless banter
We are like a family really
We are like a family really
sptyks
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Marc, thick pile plush carpets are actually more hygienic than low pile carpets and bare floors as they capture dust, pollen and pet dander from the air (I read this on the CRI website) so we don't have to breath it in. Then you vacuum every 2 or 3 days with your trusty Deep Cleaning Kirby and all that pollen, pet dander, etc. becomes trapped inside that HEPA cloth bag. It's as simple as that.
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