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Not meaning to get off topic but I'm in the process of trying out an induction cooker. It claims substantial savings on energy due to its efficiency and speed. I guess I'll be able to judge by way of the next two months' electric bills.
 
Cord polarization...

Well, I'm pretty sure the power nozzle cord is not polarized, but I'm not sure. Please don't be confused by the picture of the PlayStation plug that I posted above. That one IS polarized. Thus the one flat side to force the orientation.

The plug on the power nozzle cord looks similar to the PlayStation plug, but it is different. Both sides are round. There is NO flat side. They are both rounded and mirror image to each other. Thus there is nothing to force the orientation one way or the other.

Again, I am no expert on these things so am not 100% sure.

Also, the male portion of the plug, the part with the prongs, has an outer shroud that surrounds the female part of the plug. It's confusing to describe, so I'll try to post a pic soon. I'm sure some of you are familiar with this style of connector, though.
 
Benny:

One of the things I think will have to be considered in future when rating appliances for efficiency is - longevity. I believe we are very close to the point where cheap, throwaway plastic appliances will be insupportable; the planet just won't be able to keep providing the raw materials.

That makes the "old way" of doing things attractive all over again. For vacuums, it might well mean stouter, better-made motors, lower wattages and maybe even metal bodies. I'd personally like to see more of this and less of the cheap plastic junk that is in every store nowadays.

I also think that "green" ratings such as America's EnergyStar rating should be withheld from appliances imported from other countries. However excellent those appliances may be at saving energy, the fact remains that their shipment from abroad required a large, and unnecessary, amount of energy. It is absurd that a major appliance, weighing hundreds of pounds and shipped from China, should receive a recommendation for energy savings.

I think a vacuum cleaner should be built to last twenty years, with maintenance. A refrigerator or range (cooker), 30. Televisions and computers, at least ten (computers should be upgradable during that time). Only by requiring longer lifespans of appliances will we truly reduce overall consumption, is my feeling.
 
the plug connector shown in Sanifan's post is used in lots of electronic devices-DVD,CD players, and so forth.Yes,its polarized for safety.since many electronic devices no longer have power transformers in them-the AC line is rectified directly and used in the device.The polarized connector prevents the devices chassis from being "live" connected to the hot AC line side.The polarized connector only allows the chassis to be connected to the neutral side.also have heard these connectors called "boom box" cords and connectors.again many newer radios use these plugs and cords.Offhand don't know what the ANSI designation for this connector is.
 
When Lower power is better.

When cleaning area rugs or low pile. Though I am a Kirby lover, they are not too effective on low pile, (glued down Kitchen or Indoor/outdoor type carpet) It just wants to suck tight to the carpet and not move. Not much air-flow happening.

Vacuums are like human body parts. It's not so much how big it is but how you use it. Lower powered well desigend machines can do a much more effective job than High powered, dust spewing, poorly designed machines.
 
A bit too late to save the environment now!

In the early 1980's when Hoover UK were still chucking out metal based Hoover Junior and Senior models, America was on a tour de force with plastic-injection hard box bodied vacuums. Where was your environmental concern then?

Frankly the energy that you refer to of appliances being dragged across the Earth to meet the U.S is just absurd- what about the cars that you have imported to the U.S - and I don't mean the types that sit as family vehicles - the U.S can only have so many factories from other brands who don't always produce the vehicles that America demands - Porsche for example holds the U.S and Emirates as two of their largest buyers. You could argue that cars are not the same as appliances, but they fit very well because of lifestyle needs and desires.

I think it's also absurd that you think green ratings should be withheld from appliances from other countries - as a nation, the UK are working well with the US for the moment, as are other countries who want to do their bit to save the environment - even though it's a little bit too late- so in effect you want to chuck water on fire, or do you seem to want to tar everything that comes from China? Or is it case you'll rubbish ANYTHING that comes from any other country because it isn't American? America is an inventive country, the Brits have learnt a lot from your country - yet you want to stop what we've learnt and low energy appliances we produce because America didn't think of it first??

IMHO, it was the U.S who gave UK buyers insight into vacuums with higher power - we certainly weren't alone in using the USP /"Ultra Selling Point," for extra-added power alone but America being the largest nation with the largest amount of need, influence and a strive for "everything must be automatic so we don't need to lift a finger" routine (e.g self-driven mechanisms, auto cord rewind on uprights) has influenced home appliances to the point that now, almost every large home in the UK has an American style fridge/freezer as standard (or geared to the future kitchen design) as opposed to a European brand that offers a smaller size and far less efficiency to run it!

You can buy vacuums that last 20 years with maintenance and you can buy metal based bodies - but unsurprisingly - which country holds the biggest share of metal body, traditional upright vacuums? Can you guess? Is it obvious? The U.S!

It is not the fault of manufacturers or their machines that their products don't last- but of the way consumers treat their products. We've become so accustomed to a chuck away disposable factor, buyers and owners tend to treat their machines with disdain -knowingly they can buy cheaper products again to replace them. Consumers have also become lazier in maintenance as a result and were it not for America, we'd still be eating out of tinned food if we hadn't have had the microwave meal.

It is good that you as an owner have appliances that are vintage, a tried and tested formula. Sadly in the UK, although I have vintage appliances, the cost of getting spare parts is far more expensive when it goes wrong, and if the vintage appliance can be repaired, it is usually double the cost than a whole product from China is priced at.
 
RS:

You don't know me, or my work, but I was writing critically about the trend to Asian manufacturing thirty years ago. Even then, I could see that it was going to devastate the manufacturing bases of other nations, and that it was not good for the environment. I was also quite critical of disposable appliances.

I cannot agree with you on the withholding of energy-saving certification. While an appliance made in China or Mexico can be as energy-efficient IN USE as any other, the energy use in shipping is obscene. I am not calling for ceasing imports, nor am I calling for boycotts. But I would like to see governments stop putting their blessings on appliances whose origins are wasteful, whatever their energy consumption in use.

I particularly want to see the creation of hard goods considered when energy consumption is under discussion. Most hard goods use more energy in their manufacture and transport to point of sale than they ever will during their working lifetimes. That means durability should be a huge consideration when rating hard goods for energy consumption. We're all familiar with today's "green" appliances that are made overseas under environmentally dubious circumstances, shipped halfway around the planet, replace an appliance that is not worn out yet - and which fail within a few years due to their weird-science electronics. There is NOTHING "green" about this scenario. There would be nothing "green" about it if the appliance consumed no electricity in use whatever.

So far as my choice of cars is concerned, I purchase American-made cars, because I want to support my home country's industry, and because it's even worse for the environment to ship cars around the world than it is refrigerators. My sole exception to that was a used Volvo estate (station wagon), whose shipment from Goteborg had taken place a good fifteen years before I bought it - something which was already done and could not be un-done. I have not purchased an imported car since.

I agree with you completely that there is a "throw-away" mentality that needs to end. I do not know what the answer is, but one needs to be found.

And I have every faith in Britain to find solutions to its needs without assistance from America. Your magnificently creative nation invented such things as stainless steel and the commercial jetliner; you really don't need to copy us. When I look at the efficiency of British cookers as opposed to the sprawling wastefulness of American ranges, for instance, I know which country knows a thing or two about using resources sparingly.
 
But you didn't say "30 years ago" in your original post, so the implication is current.

If however, you take into consideration 30 years ago, or if indeed 40 years ago to be more precise and compare what you had in terms of brands, the UK had several British brands who sold products well into the 1970's with little than cosmetic changes - radios, televisions, stereo systems - meanwhile the Japanese come in with impeachable quality, better components, better sound quality - and not so expensive cost prices. Could I then say that Asian manufacturing was less energy efficient when at a time the features that British brands didn't sport seemed to glitter and whistle from the Asian end? Thus giving buyers the opportunity to sample products that were better built and better features. Therefore as a buyer I bought Japanese goods with pride because I knew I was buying quality, something a bit modern etc. I never once thought about the energy efficiency or how long it took to get to the UK.

Frankly, I think your reasons for with holding energy info on more or less, "foreign" appliances is rather obtuse - perhaps even if it was to work in America's favour - honestly, the amount of energy a ship uses for transporting cars to the U.S is small meal compared to the amount of fuel it would take for "our" jetliners and your Boeing airplanes to fly long haul - and let's face it, on the basis that America has far more airports on account your country is so much bigger, I stake that other means of travel are wasting huge amounts of energy just to take advantage of it. You can't have it both ways.

As the owner of a Volvo, I'm happy with what I drive - I'm even happier that the model I drive was made before Ford took over Volvo, and now looking at GM where they have shot off SAAB, it remains to be seen whether the "big three" in the U.S can survive, particularly when Chrysler now no longer part of MB, has just tied the knot with Fiat - an Italian company whose reliability in the U.S was patchy, to say the least.
 
RS:

My reply about "30 years ago" was in response to this sentence of yours:

"In the early 1980's when Hoover UK were still chucking out metal based Hoover Junior and Senior models, America was on a tour de force with plastic-injection hard box bodied vacuums. Where was your environmental concern then?"

So far as America's love affair with jet travel is concerned, it's a bad habit we're going to have to break sooner or later. Yes, distances can be long here. We still could get around nearly as well by train, if we had a rail infrastructure worth riding on.

And I did not say energy information should be withheld on foreign manufacturers' products. No, the information should definitely be there. What I advocate is to stop our government saying in essence, "This is an ecologically responsible product," by granting EnergyStar certification, when it cannot possibly be, due to a lack of lasting quality and energy-consumptive shipping from halfway around the world. A governmental imprimatur for energy savings should take every possible factor into account, in my opinion. If the certification is granted based on a limited array of parameters, it becomes nothing more than a marketing scam, which is precisely what has happened with the EnergyStar program.
 
Thread 127271 doesn't even mention 30 years ago - this is where your original response about green rating with held info starts!

I feel you're missing the point entirely where green ratings are concerned - it doesn't matter where a product is from - would I consider mango fruits from India to be green damaging because they've taken 12 hours to get to the UK? Or however about coffee from Brazil which goes direct to the U.S, churned, refined and sent back to Europe? C'mon now, how far are you going to go to tar everything that comes from a far away country as being unfriendly green because of the amount of travel it takes to get to the U.S?? You are clearly twinning quality AND "energy consumptive shipping," together - not entirely fair based on well made products in the U.S that are shipped out to the U.K.

Could I then summize that the Kitchenaid mixers that we get in the UK shipped from the U.S are less energy efficient than our home grown Kenwood Chef models that have better energy efficiency? No - because the Kitchenaid U.S models have far lower motors, thus they are far less energy consuming.
 
It kind of makes me wonder - if a product like the Vax Mach Air is designed in the U.K and owned by TTI in China - then the production of it is shifted to China and then redesigned slightly to be sold in the U.S as the Hoover Windtunnel Air. Does the original design still remain British, I wonder?

Or those plastic Panasonic uprights that Miele in Germany had sold for years in the U.S before their own S7 was built. Does that make those Miele models far less energy efficient because they are Japanese built? Or perhaps they were assembled in the U.S but the base techware comes from Japan.

Clearly energy saving appliances do exist - but not in a literal sense. As VR pointed out (hope you're feeling better and stronger now) with the Philips kettle, there's a lot of marketing and a lot of hype. Just like reusable paper dust bags in vacuum cleaners where only, effectively one more use can be probably used before all the paper has clogged up to the point that it can't be reused over and over.
 

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