I'm not a fan of Hoovers, but, erm....

[twocvbloke]

I seem to have come home with a Senior model 652A, grey trimmed thing with a metal base.... :S

£12.50 paid, came with tools but no hose/converter pan, and sounds like a spanner in a blender, so I think the motor has rather dry bearings.... :S

I'll get some pics when I find my camera....

What was I thinking, oh, yeah, ebay profit...

 

[twocvbloke]

Yup, it's a Hoover alright, got the leaning handle and all... :&#92

Most of the tools appear to be generic replacements, only a couple have the Hoover logo on them, the rest have no logos or just a circle where the Hoover logo would normally go...

And I have since found the noise is the brushroll, though the bearings in the motor do need replacing, the upper has been greased when it should have been oiled, and the lower one just sounds dry...

I'm not planning to keep this one (and I don't mean that in the same way as not planning to keep my Miele, and still having it over a year since I bought it!!), cos now I've got one, I can't see the appeal of the Senior/Convertible, but, that's just my opinion on it... :&#92

 

[gsheen]

Thats a really nice model, got the same one I am busy restoring, I like the early ones with the switch located underneath like yours and mine. Good quality long lasting machine

 

[twocvbloke]

Unfortunately the picture doesn't tell the whole truth, the headlight lens has a few cracks in it, the bag has a hole in it where the hanger has poked it's way through, it smells musty, the hood has a couple of cracks (but, I think it's a generic replacement as there's no Hoover markings on it on the inside as I would expect), the cable has a few scrapes down to the inner cores (no bare copper though), brush strips are short, brushroll as mentioned sounds awful (might steal the bearings from my Junior 1346 remains to see if it improves that), and I haven't a clue how the height adjustment works, assuming it's meant to have more than one position... :S

Still, for £12.50 I guess I can't complain too much, I'll give it a bit of a clean and see if I can fit some VGII strips (worked for my Juniors!!), and then replace the paper bag with a Victor bag, cos they work so much better than the plain paper things it came with, bit I still don't think I'll be keeping it for long... :&#92

All I've done so far is fit a bulb, replace the belt and look at that upper bearing, don't think I'll be doing any more today cos I'm ready to fall fast asleep...

 

[gsheen]

Qualitex has many replacement parts including generic hoods headlight lenses and bearings , sewing machine oil does wonders on that top sleeve bearing 

 

[twocvbloke]

Yeah, the bearing has been greased by someone in the past, and a greased sleeve bearing is a ruined sleeve bearing as it clogs up the pores in the bronze, so oil can't penetrate it, thus rendering it useless... :&#92

As for buying the parts, well, I could, but the fella I usually go to takes a couple of weeks to order them in (I can't go to Qualitex directly, as I haven't a business account with them), and as we're moving in a couple of weeks, I won't be able to go pick them up in time, so that's off the cards...

If I were to keep it for myself, I'd probably buy in a type-A bag setup from the US (bigger bag), and use the type-Y bags in it (HEPA bags, apparently), aswell as fit the brushroll with red Sebo brush strips, those modifications, done in the past by someone I know, improve the Senior/Convertible's performance, not up to the level of a Sanitaire, but decent than stock spec, but we shall see...

 

[hoovermanmick]

hi

hi i hav the tool coverter if your interested i might hav spear pipe as well

http://[email protected]

 

[twocvbloke]

Yeah, I'm not really after using tools with it, after all, when it's said that a Junior with tools fitted can outclean it's bigger brother, the Senior, then it kind of shows how well-designed the Senior was... :S

For now though I should go find the brushroll from my Junior 1346 to steal the bearings, the Senior's sound like they've had it, very rough indeed... :S

 

[twocvbloke]

Well, that's the musty bag washed, and now drying on Stripy Cat infront of the fire, and while I wait for that to dry, I did of course have to have a play with an F&G FilterAire bag, I just had to...

Works great too, much better than the Easy-Spill bottom fill Hoover style bags (my genuine Hoover cardboard bags are packed away, so only have the Qualtex generics that came with the vac, which are just as bad!!), doesn't fit in the Hoover cloth bag though, which is a shame...

 

[twocvbloke]

And to hold the bag upright, I used the latest in bag retention technology, the snapped-but-retied-elastic band...

 

[vacbear58]

Commercial

If you like it it might be worth trying to adapt a commercial (912) shake out bag to fit - its grey as well so it would not look too much out of keeping

 

[twocvbloke]

Nah, the only shake-out bags I like are the Sani-Scraper Kirby bags, even the Electrolux C12's shakeput bag is a bit of a pain to work with, hence why I've bought a red Sanitaire ST bag to replace it... :S

That actually reminded me, I could probably get a generic grey bag (Qualtex, of course) from the local vac shop (if he has any), I got a grey one for my Junior U1104 from there, but as I've just washed the bag it came with, I'll wait and see what the future brings, I'm still thinking of just reselling it... :&#92

 

[watsonw]

Paper bag model outer zipped bags.

I have two 1334a's; one is in very good original condition the other in my own good recon finish. I use the recon more often and I use those Lux C12 type bags on it. My Mother's Friend made me the outer bag complete with a full length zip in it and from suitable grey material. I'd suggest this solution for the collector who wishes to use these disposal bags.


Regards, Walter, Shropshire.

 

[twocvbloke]

I had thought about making bags for vacs (I made one using an old trouser leg for my 1346 Junior, didn't last long as I got bored of that vac when I got my unknown model and the 1334), but I have little experience of sewing machines and whatnot, so I don't think I'll be doing that, nor will the mother seeing how she has still yet to attach a zip on my Kirby G3 bag, so expecting a whole vac bag out of her would be a little too much...

But if I do decide to keep it and modify it, I'll just get a Hoover Type-A bag setup and a set of Type-Y bags from the US as I already mentioned above, the bag's grey, and the type-Y bags are HEPA rated (apparently), though I have seen some Filtrete type-A bags though, I don't have experience of them though...

For the moment though I can just cut the card plate end off a micro-lined Victor bag and strap that onto the Hoover exhaust, I do that with the Juniors so I know it works well, plus the bags are bigger and thus filter better than the standard Hoover bag...

 

[twocvbloke]

Well, after fiddling with the brushroll bearings, I found that while the ones fitted were nice and smooth, they had more play in them than a hyperactive kid, so, I now have the bearings from the leftover Junior 1346 brushroll, so it's quieter than it was before, I'm just waiting on the bag parts to dry (bellows, filltube (swapped with a better condition one I had) and connector), then I'll get that back together...

Now, I have a problem with the wiring, someone in the past has fiddled with the wiring to the green capacitor, they snipped off one of the wires, and if another wire came loose, it could result in bad things happening... :S

Anyway, need to find where I put my silicone sealant to make a new seal for the bag connector, cos the seal it had fell apart when cleaning it... :&#92

 

[twocvbloke]

Well, it's all back together, seems the bag's lost more of it's Hoover logo (wasn't much to begin with anyway), but the machine doesn't smell stale and musty now....

Definitely needs brush strips, can't find my spare VGIIs at the moment though, probably packed in a box now, I'll see about getting some from the local vac shop tomorrow, he usually has such spares in, just to get the thing working as it should before selling it, plus I want to see what it's like before I either get rid or modify, just cos I can...

 

[twocvbloke]

Holy monkey that thing has some issues with it's armature, it's got more grooves than a 70's soul group.... :S

The carbon bushes have been in long enough for them to also have matching grooves, yeah, the future's not looking orange for this old Hoover...

Shame I found that out AFTER I got some brush strips, I dunno, wiring issues, bag issues, motor issues, whatever next....

Even my Electrolux C12 wasn't this bad... :S

 

[thissucks]

in the antique fan crowd those groovs are called apple cores or apple coring.

and without re-cutting its screwed, and sometimes there isnt enough copper to do that.

 

[kittingerhoover]

Bag on the Striped cat!

I'd love to own that striped cat. I have complimented it before, but can't find one like it in the states!

Den