I need your opinion about two speed cleaners

[kirbyvertibles]

Hello,
I was talking with another vacuum shop close to my area last week and he had a few things to say about two speed vacuums that I think is crazy but I thought I would run it across you wiser folks.
Is it true that if you use any two speed vacuum on hi speed for vacuuming it will burn it up in no time?
The vacuums he was talking about were,
Filter Queen, Electrolux(newer models), Oreck, any Hoover, and Kirby. Now I know that it is hard on the Kirby to use it on hi for carpeting, that's why it only goes to hi with the tools but what about the Filter Queen? Isn't the hi speed for regular vacuuming? I think this old guy is NUTS!!! He tells all of his customers to run everything on the lowest speed the vacuum has, no matter what kind it is.

 

[animasinsulin]

You are right....

You're right, Philip. That guy is totally crazy. He needs to put the crack pipe away!!!.....Bill in Az.....

 

[vinvac]

Phillip,

I have never know anyone to use a Filter Queen on low all the time, I use my Oreck on High Speed most all of the time, Kirby's I use with attatchments all of the time as well...I have never burnt up a motor..

There is another vac shop that would tell you that same line...it simply is not true. They would not design a motor to have two speeds if it were not intended to be used at either speed.

All of the companies you have mentioned offer great warranities for the product, especially Kirby, so if they are offering a lifetime, 10 year, 5 year warranty, why would they build a motor that won't do what they say it will do.

It may be harder on the carbon brushes..but they can be replaced. Which is probably why this gentlemen is telling people that, the brushes wear out, he tells them the motor is bad and sells them a new one... just my thoughts

Morgan

 

[kirbysthebest]

The Kirby UG Diamond

Had a switch where you could choose the high speed with the rug nozzle attached. Kirby was having problems with people leaving the machine in high all the time and was having problems with premature motor burn out. This is why they removed this feature on the new model.

As for the others, my Riccar SLR4 says in the owner's manual to use On-Low speed for throw rugs and bare floors and Max Power--High for carpeting. I've only had it a year but no motor problems there.

 

[ohio_tuec]

UG Diamond 2-speed switch

I was wondering about that. I have the Ultimate G, and shortly thereafter got a Sentria. I thought the Ultimate G Diamond was essentially the same, although they tend to run a little higher on eBay, so I bought just the Ultimate G. It would stand to reason everyone would want more power, hence run it all the time on high speed. I notice on the Sentria some of the motor vents on the lower body are covered compared to previous models. You would think less airflow would shorten the motor life. Just as they covered the vents on the back of the Tradition, as opposed to the Classic III.

 

[normvac]

Motor burn out on High!

Though I would jump in here with my 2 cents !!
If he is a man of my generation, his thinking is
probably based on the older, GE's, Premiers, Singers
with 2 spds. They did have problems, as the armatures
would over heat and burn the carbon motor brushes up
faster as they got older. Hence they burned up more
quickly then "normal" with using the reg. speed for
everyday carpet cleaning. Then only using high spd
for attachments or just for a few mins. at one time.
Also having had my sales and service in the 80's. We
would sometimes, do a direct wire on the older 500
Kirbys so they had more power. WE did that by passing
the safety switch. Especially if we were selling them
for upright use only! The safety is there so no one
gets their fingers in the fan while it's running.
Now we also did the same thing on Older Convertable
Hoovers uprights. Again, to get more power out of them
but they were guilty of over heating and burning out too.
Again, just a piece of 25/30 year old history !!
Norm

 

[methodistbill]

Kirby Diamond G

I thought high speed was for regular carpet use and low speed was for vacuuming delicate rugs, mattresses, etc. I've lost my manual, so I'm not sure.

Bill

 

[kirbyultimateg]

Kirby G3-Current=
6 amps floor/7 amps hose
Kirby DE=
Normal=
6 amps floor/7 amps hose
Delicate=
4 amps floor/5 amps hose

 

[kirbyultimateg]

Kirby D50-Current=
Two speed machines
Kirby DE=
Four speed machines

 

[a007kirbyman]

Ultimate G Series "Diamond Edition" Specs...

KirbyUltimateG,

These are the "real" "factory specs" [For the record, the 'plain' UG was 6 Amps/7 Amps, 'KUG'...so you are partially correct.--LOL]

Kirby DE=

Normal=

Nozzle: 5.9 Amps, 633 Watts, 13100 RPM, 115 CFM, 27.5" of h2o, 3995 RPM Brushroll
Hose: 5.9 Amps, 712 Watts, 16800 RPM, 85.6 CFM, 37.5" of h2o


Delicate=

Nozzle: 3.1 Amps, 272 Watts, 11000 RPM, 80 CFM, 19.1" of h2o, 3260 RPM Brushroll
Hose: 3.2 Amps, 265 Watts, 12500 RPM, 68.8 CFM, 25.6" of h2o


Have a wonderful day, all !!!

Bill

 

[brandon_w_t]

HELP!!

Im getting a Hoover 800, will running in high speed ruin the motor? I dont want to hurt my most prized possession just over some motor issue!

 

[vintagehoover]

Brandon, running your 800 on high will not damage the motor, lol. Those Hoover motors are indestructible - they have a lifespan of literally 100 years+!

Wear on an electric motor is proportional to the cube of it's speed - so motors running at twice the rpm of the Hoover wear out 8 times as fast! Hoover motors ran considerably slower than everything else on the market at the time, but kept up performance with a huge fan/huge air-ducts. They were also the best and most expensive motors of their kind.

 

[brandon_w_t]

oil?

Does the 800 need to be oiled like the 105?

 

[vintagehoover]

No, the last Hoover to require regular greasing by the user was the 541. Your 800 should run just fine - I wouldn't recommend doing anything to the bearings if the cleaner runs ok when you get it.

 

[kirbyultimateg]

Thank you Bill.