I Hate These "No Loss of Suction" Claims

[panasonicvac]

So I'm new here by the way, I'll introduce myself later and I'll later show you guys what I've been seeing at my thrift store recently.
I was givin a Shark Navigator lift away tonight by my mom's boss because his wife was going to throw it out cause she said it doesn't work anymore. Looked at it and turns out that it was clogged on the hose and clogged the filters.
I really hate these features on vacuums in department stores because we all know every vacuum can clog and there's no way and never there will be a vacuum in department stores that will never loose suction. It makes me sick!!!!!

This shows what came out of the hose assembly and I forgot to take pics of the clogged filters which I already cleaned unfortunately

 

[vacuumfreak95]

Bagless is a dirty word.

Any and ALL Bagless vacuums will be disgusting, from washing filters to emptying the dust bin. Any machine I use regularly to clean my house will use a bag, preferably a cloth HEPA bag. I also prefer direct air vacuum cleaners, so much air flow and carpet cleaning ability AND they don't clog. Or it's very rare that one does.

 

[panasonicvac]

Even with a full bag...

I picked up a Dirt devil featherlite (direct air model) from a thrift store not too long ago and when I looked over it, it had a rock solid full bag in it. When I got to test it before buying, I was amazed of how much air flow it still had to suck up a few crumb pieces off the floor. Just like sucking up a card board paper towel roll.

 

[tolivac]

The stuff you pulled from your Shark Navigator Lift-Off is just like what happens when customers bring those into the Sew&Vac place I go to.Wads of stuff clogging the hose,nozzle neck!the bin hardly has anything in it.The vac shop guy then tries to interest the patron in a bagged cleaner.One wmaon left her Lift-Off and went for a Sebo!The Lift Off was offered to me-declined-I think later the machine was given away to someone else or slithered into the shop dumpster.

 

[suckolux]

Have seen this so so many times, folks empty the bin, but get tired of the mess so ignore or have NO idea of filters, never read the book, why?? Air flow drops off, clogs become the norm. Sad.

 

[turbo500]

Bagless cyclonic vacuums were a solution to a problem that never existed and that was only created by Dyson and (in this country at least) his clever marketing tactic. Before Dyson came along, nobody thought twice about replacing a vacuum bag. We just got on with it, without complaint.

I've never used a bagged vacuum that loses suction so much that it hinders the performance. Bagged is more convenient, more hygenic and due to being a much simpiler design, bagged vacuums tend to be more reliable.

Plus, lets not forget that the "no loss of suction" claim is conditional, based on regular filter maintenance performed by the user.

 

[suckolux]

That claim is also said?? with the test stating how much they picked up too, right? Never looses suction and then the parameters of the test?I think.

 

[human]

Yeah, what Turbo500 said!

I have never understood the appeal of bagless vacuum cleaners. I detest them. I had a girlfriend who lived with me a few years ago, who adamantly insisted we (actually I since she never did any house work) use her plastic, bagless Bissell POS exclusively. Emptying the dirt cup and cleaning the filters was a total pain that took about 20 minutes after each use, compared to about two seconds to replace the bag on my Electrolux 1205 when it gets full. Okay, I'm exaggerating a little. It might have taken 20 seconds to swap out the bag—and I never got covered with dust doing it, which occurred every time I cleaned the Bissell. To top it all off, she wanted to give my Electrolux to her yoga instructor because her Bissell was so much more "efficient" (yeah, in what parallel universe?). That wasn't the reason we parted company but I'm glad I still have my 1205 and I can't say that I particularly miss her or that Bissell.

I really don't understand how the industry manages to convince the public that bagless machines are cleaner, more convenient and more sanitary than bagged. They simply aren't. The manufacturers lie and the public buys both the lie and the vacuums based on that lie.

 

[dysonman1]

Manufacturers give the public what they want. People are simply not choosing a bagged vacuum cleaner when buying them. The PUBLIC wants to just go to the garage, and push the button, and hear the dirt go 'plop' into the trash can. They don't want to have to REMEMBER to buy and change bags, when they don't have to.

Disposable bags were not always good. The dust belching out of a Hoover Dial A Matic for instance was horrible. I'm old enough to remember bagged vacuums, and how they stunk and spewed dust. The single ply bags clogged almost immediately. Hoover had some of the worst paper bags, but Hoover didn't care about filtration.
At one time, only the Air-Way and Electrolux had efficient bags.

I grew up without those filthy nasty stinking bags. My mother had a Rainbow, which didn't ever lose suction and we never stored the dirt in the house, as it was throw out with the water after each use. We put the Rainbow away as clean as our dishes.

Modern bagged cleaners are different only in the fact they use HEPA bags and don't belch dust. You still have to buy them (and throw $5 in the trash with each Miele bag) and change them. They still stink of their collected dirt. But at least they keep the inside of the vacuum clean - something bags never used to do.

 

[vintagerepairer]

But really...

...we all know that the "no loss of suction" and "no clogging" refers only to the actual dust-capture method. Dirt in secondary filters (note the word SECONDARY) is not the same as dirt in a main filter, or a bag, or a cyclone tank, as indeed a blockage isn't either.

Just about everything we buy is "sold" to us on the basis that it is this or it is that, with claims being made that are literal and legal and focusing only on the bits that a consumer wants to hear. That, my friends, is business. Sick as it may make some of you (and by that I am assuming you mean "sick" as a negative because I was recently informed that amongst our current youths the word sick now means "indeed rather splendid") the world would be in a terrible state economically if consumers made no purchases.

 

[kenkart]

One of these days

Rainbow is going to sue hell out of James Dyson for all his claims of no loss of suction, im not a big Rainbow guy, but they ARE the only machine that doesent lose suction..but more importantly it does not lose airflow.

 

[ralph123]

I don't know about the "no loss of suction claims", but the user has to be assigned some blame for clogging up the machine. What was the user cleaning up when it got clogged? Was it an appropriate usage? Some people are very creative about destroying things. I wouldn't put it past a clever man/woman to clog a vacuum to get a new one that he/she likes better.

 

[charleskirby66]

Shark Rotator Professional Lift-Away

After getting my Kirby Ultimate G Diamond Edition, I gave my Mom my Shark Rotator Professional Lift-Away. It was good to me while I saved up for my first-ever Kirby, but it was not ideal. It did clog and it did lose suction. I had it for a mere 6 months and had to clean filters multiple times, even had to wash one of the filters and let it air dry for TWO DAYS. That was not cool!

Now that Mom is using the Shark, it clogs with hair all the time. It can't even pick up crumbs off the floor unless it's taken apart and cleaned up each time. Yuck! Give me Kirby any day!

 

[dys0nb0y]

Well in 6 months you should expect at least clean the filter a couple of times they're not maintenance free, and maybe your mum should be clean the filters a little bit more.

 

[floor-a-matic]

I'll just stick to my good ol' Electrolux 1205 or Rainbow D2

 

[panasonicvac]

It was mostly clogged with some popcorn seeds, hair, and some sewing string that curled up in the hose. Plus some fine dust in the filters but not as much as if the filters was never washed before. Funny after I told the wife about the problem with this, she went mad saying: "They say on TV it never losses suction, that's why I bought it. I HATE THIS THING!!!"

 

[n0oxy]

typical bagless

Hi, what is described here with the shark is very typical of bagless units. I would not have one of those if you paid me. Even with the new Dysons that don't have any filters, if you read the reviews on Amazon, it has issues with dirt getting stuck in the grooves of the bin. If you look at the big store companies' web sites such as hoover and bissell, you will find more bagless models than bagged ones. When I first got my beam central vacuum power unit, it was bagless, it uses a filter that supposedly cleans itself every time youturn it off. Well, I can say from experience, that filter does not clean itself, dirt clings to it, and emptying the bucket is very messy. Fortunately, there is an adapter you can get that will convert the beam and electrolux central vacuums in to bagged units, and this is definitely the way to go.

 

[tolivac]

I will take those "stinking bags" over a STINKY bagless machine-no matter what brand.Yes,Rainbows and Water Matics are the best bagless machines.for most of the bagless machines out there-seems like dog owners go for them.If you get one of these for your collection it takes a long time to wash the dog stink out of it.Least with a bagged vacuum---simply replace the bag--run for several minutes-and good as new!Simple for bagged machines--if the bag smellss-change it!The Filtrete non woven cloth HEPA bags have changed the world of bagged vacuums-such an improvement-you can pack these truely full as opposed to paper bags.I have found-and the vac place I go to--find that bagged vacuums do have a longer service life than any bagless ones.When I went for my Monday morning walk--there was a Dyson DC25 waiting for the pressing fate in the EZ Pack BOSS trash truck!!Left it-didn't want to clean out whatever someone elses mess was-and more likely than not the filters were clogged.Its bin was empty.

 

[citroenbx]

I am with you on that one I deal in dyson's all day everyday I see all sorts