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"As for the Hotpoint range - the TOL models are copying what Electrolux did back in the 1990s (and Hoover soon followed with their Sensory cylinders) by offering both a bagless style box with ring filter AND the option to pull that out to put a paper bag in."


 


Ryan would that not also be similar to the Turbopower 2 from the early 90's that had the Permabag box? As you had the option to buy that seperately or if it came with it you could remove it for the replacement of a paper bag.
 
Alex, I think Benny was referring more to the cleaners that came with the option of a proper bagless unit OR a bag, rather than just a permabag. Lux did it with the Airstream cleaners.
 
Dan It's just how something new is on the market & how I like Cylinder Vacs, so...

Nothing appeals to me about them, but how they are something different to choose from.
 
Yes my parents had the Electrolux Power System 1500w with the choice of a cyclonic cassette or a bag with separate bag door. It was much better with the bag as the cyclone would clog really quickly with pet hair.
 
I think the Dust Box would probably be an optional extra or come with TOL bagged models & vica versa a bag connector for bagless models.
 
Well Hi-Lo, the Hotpoint TOL DUAL CLEAN is such that - it comes with a bag holder and a bagless box.

Alex - I suppose the Permabox could be the same - but we're really talking about modern cylinder vacuums here and not uprights. On account that modern cylinder vacuums have a heck of a lot more power these days (and even when Electrolux were offering it) there's simply no comparison with Hoover's Permabag system in their older, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">no longer</span> on sale uprights, even if the theory is the same of a bag and a bagless box together. If the Permabag was so successful, why didn't it make it to the cylinder vacuums and beyond?

Hoover learnt their bagless theory early on by adopting SMS washable cloth dust bags offered with Hoover's Lifetime uprights and cylinders - there were quite a few in the Purepower and Telios range - and even before that with the classic uprights, you could buy a permanent dust bag as an option. I had a Telios Lifetime and the machine didn't last as long as the bag, sadly. Then they discovered the bagless box idea and adopted it in their Dustmanager uprights. We know what happened there...

Anyway back on the topic for the Hotpoint, what attracts me to this machine is:




<ol>
<li>It's a new vacuum from Hotpoint.</li>
<li>The TOOLS store behind a flap - something Miele's S2 can simply dream of. </li>
<li>Current retail price is far cheaper than Miele yet offers a bit more power despite the smaller 3.5 litre dust bag that puts it into direct competition with its rivals other than the S2's larger dust bag. </li>
<li>It has a slightly longer cord but more importantly, it offers eco-friendly power if considering the BOL model - and on account that I have given up waiting for the Hoover Telios Plus Eco to arrive in the UK, the Hotpoint is the next best choice.</li>
</ol>
 
 
I am not a cylinder fan and wouldn't loose sleep over not owning one but I must say, these new Hotpoint cylinders do look very striking and it is nice to have a change from the same old, same old that other manufactures are produccing!
 
Sebo_fan - probably why they call it 'Dual Clean' then!

AlexHoovers94 - I know you're not a cylinder fan but the Hotpoints do indeed look striking in the colours they have chosen. Yes it is a nice change from everything else that's on the market, as most manufacturers stick to what they know but even though these machines look very classy, at least they're affordable & don't boast claims that aren't true.

What first attracted me to them was their promise of a 7m cord. Hallelujah! A Vacuum (a Cylinder at least) that has a long cord! There's some uprights that don't even have a 7m cord. It's not the longest but apparently it gives 10m of cleaning reach.
 
Plus Sebo_fan, I don't get how the TOL Bagged Model can have 425 air watts with a 2200w motor, when the BOL Bagged Model can have 300 air watts with a 1600w motor. It sounds a bit odd, but it does have variable power which has it's advantages when it comes to dusting surfaces.
 
Why would it be odd? The lower air watt figure for the lower motor is perfectly correct as is the higher air watt figure for the higher motor...both have been tested at the highest speed.

Air watts and I don't really see eye to eye - not when it comes down to real performance.

Effectively though, the biggest downside to the Hotpoint is that it really doesn't offer anything new that hasn't been tried before, except maybe the trolley suitcase handle. That will be its biggest flaw if it doesn't hold up to durability.

The nearest rival on pricing that I can think this model sits next to is the Bosch BSGL3 but even if it is usually around £100 mark and the John Lewis version which has the full power as opposed to Bosch's 1200 watts. The problem with the BSGL3 is that the design needs updating with a bit more quality and whilst I'm used to the SEBO's pull-pull auto cord rewind, the one on the Bosch is weaker. The Bosch does however have a long cord.

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I don't see what's striking about them apart from the lurid colours they look a little boxy to me? From what I can gather the bagless is only a single cyclone and the tubes and floor head are push fit something I really don't like on vacuums. The trolley case is different but if your holding the hose and tubes in one had and dragging the machine behind you with the other I think it would be a pain, machines which have a curved handle on top so you can carry everything with one hand is far better to me.

But each to their own I hope they perform well for those that buy them.
 
I know what AW are like - but like you performance is a good thing.

I would only like one to have a bagged cylinder in my collection, but a new style one that will probably be the 1st Vacuum I purchased Brand New with my own cash. It was either that or a Bosch MoveOn in Blue.
 
The trolley case is different

I think the trolley is more for moving the cleaner when it's not on. Of course, the cleaner will drag along behind you by it's hose and main wheels in normal use, but when storing the cleaner, instead of lifting it, the use can wheel it along like a suitcase. I think this would be a great feature for an elderly person or someone with disabilities who cannot lift the cleaner up.
 
Sorry I didn't explain that very well I was talking about when you've finished cleaning and are taking the vacuum to wherever you store it. I see the point about an elderly person maybe finding it useful but I suppose they would have to bend right down to get to the handle so I'm still unconvinced.
 

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