Hoover PurePower, what happened???

[vintagerepairer]

I thought so. You can get that Purepower for £70. A Sebo X4 Eco would be £204. So for every one Sebo you could have three Purepower cleaners.

As you mentioned how long the cleaner would last as a measure of what a cleaner will cost, the question is eally, the question is would you get the same amount of use from one Sebo as you would three Purepowers?

Certainly as a consumer I would be torn on this one.

 

[sebo4me]

Well being as a Sebo could last up to 20 years and a Hoover Pure Power will last about 2 years I'd say the Sebo is better value.

 

[sebo4me]

It's all about choice. Some consumers may be happy with the cheap tat that Hoover Candy produce and some might prefer to purchase something with a bit more quality.
You pays your money and you takes your choice

 

[turbo500]

Lets not forget factoring in the inconvenience of having to replace the cleaner as well as having a machine that is nice to use. Personally, I'd rather pay out for a machine that I don't mind using and feels robust. The Sebo is quieter, better built and has better tools than the Purepower, making the overall experience more pleasent.

 

[sebo_fan]

SEBO uprights also have lifetime belts; something that the Purepower simply doesn't have.

Hoover are completely inept. They could easily fashion a Slalom and put a bagged unit into the design as Electrolux/Eureka have done with a few of their U.S uprights. Or any of their current Freedom uprights. I have no idea why Hoover Europe won't pull out their fingers.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

If you go on sebos website, they talk about how the fact their machines are built so well and last so long, that they are more environmentally friendly as they don't fill up landfills every few years. This is absolutely true.

The sebo is just a better vacuum from every angle for, to be honest, not a huge amount more.

 

[vintagerepairer]

I have to say that compared to what they were, the Sebo quality has declined over the years. Insatiable of course when the price tag has dropped too. I don't deny and never have denied that Sebo are one of the best built cleaners on the market. But I don't like them much.

 

[sebo4me]

Can't say I've noticed a decline in the build quality.
The X series is one of the most reliable uprights available.

What is it you don't like about Sebo?

 

[vintagerepairer]

I don't like the computerised height adjuster at all, it really is personal. I don't like the small wheels on the back as it can make the cleaner hard to push and move. I don't like the hose arrangement nor do I like the way the box connects to the base as I know it can cause issues with the seal of the suction when the box works loose.

My whole problem with Sebo cleaners is entirely personal and no different from the lady in the flat next door who could heave at the word "parsnip", never mind the taste of one. I love parsnips.

 

[sebo4me]

There's always the G1 with Manuel height adjustment.
I agree about the hose arrangement but that's not a problem for me as I use a cylinder cleaner for above floor cleaning.
The X series is the easiest cleaner to push that I've owned. You need to eat more porridge for breakfast

What is your cleaner of choice?

 

[vintagerepairer]

I have a lady who cleans for me, she uses a Numatic (she has several James, Henry, and Hetty and brings with her whatever one is working - usually the Hetty). I like Numatic. As for an upright, I'd need to try what was currently on sale. I have always had a great like of Panasonic.

 

[sebo4me]

I like Numatic as a company. They produce excellent cylinder cleaners but Imo are best suited for commercial use.

I've never owned a Panasonic but I've heard good things about the Icon they used to do.

 

[turbo500]

It's such a shame Panasonic have stopped making their basic bagged upright. Best upright under £100! We had the older style one in daily use for the best part of 17 years - fantastic cleaners!

 

[sebo_fan]

In all the 20 odd years I've owned SEBO I have never had an upright where the base of the X or Felix works loose, or allows suction to escape. I can imagine there might be an issue with the commercial uprights as they have a thumb lock at the rear which can become loose over time if it is constantly played with OR intentionally loosened so that it isn't as stiff as it normally is.

The problem with the G1 is that it no longer on sale in the UK and hasn't been for some time. Same with the G2. If you want either you either have to fork out for the expensive SM1/SM2 commercial version under Ensign brand label or import one from Germany or other countries.

The new X4 Pet Boost is a good model with the button boost on the floor head for a deeper clean.

The most expensive German upright isn't SEBO though; the prize goes to Miele's S7 which is about to be phased out and only available through mail order, whilst Vorwerk takes the top spot.

 

[vintagerepairer]

I know of an X4 Animal where the dustbox has distorted through use. When the cleaner is being pulled back, the box comes away from the two ducts onto which it sits. This results in a loud hissing noise. Sometimes the power even goes off as the plug & socket detaches.

 

[sebo_fan]

X4 Pet perhaps? If it is distorted then the main lock sounds like it is knackered or perhaps needs replacing. Great thing about the X compared to the Purepower is that it can all be replaced. Parts are relatively cheap too. If the owner concerned has the 5 year guarantee, they should use it!

 

[alexhoovers94]

I have to protest, unless you have used the newest Purepowers then I don't really accept your opinion.

Having used Both Sebo X series and the newest 2015 Purepowers, I would pick the Purepower, all be it the Sebo is superior in quality, the Purepower seems more convenient than the Sebo, which makes cleaning easier in a domestic setting and for a fraction of the price you cant really go wrong. The newest Purepowers carpet cleaning performance is better than ever in my opinion and the noise level is pretty low and doesn't ring on the ears like some of the recent previous models.

I really feel these new Purepowers cling and dig into the carpet, yet easy to push, which I didn't feel with previous models, or the Sebo gliding X series.

I can appreciate the Sebo would last a good while longer than the Purepower but if you bought three Purepowers for the price of one Sebo, you might well get a good long service.

Preference and budget is always going to win over which you choose though, not how well the machine is going to "stand up" to the test of time. (pun unintended)

 

[sebo4me]

Alex darling the X4 Pet Boost now cleans deeper with the Boost button on, you can feel it vibrating the carpet.
The Hoover Pure Power is not in the same league
It's OK for a budget cleaner but if you can afford it id always recommend a Sebo.

 

[turbo500]

Don't waste your breath, Paul...just Alex talking nonsense again .

I know the automatic height control is not for everyone, but I've honestly never found a problem with it. I've lived in 4 different houses since I first got a Sebo and it's never been a problem. I've always found it sets to the correct height, with the perfect balance between ease of use and deep cleaning. It doesn't go so deep that the cleaner is difficult to use, but goes deep enough to clean the carpet to a high standard. The whole idea behind it is to be as easy and effortless as possible. Remember, not everyone wants a vacuum that ploughs into the carpet pile and is difficult to push. And even with the auto height adjustment, it still makes the dirt bounce infront of the cleaner head.

 

[sebo4me]

Yes I agree with you Chris its so easy to push yet still cleans extremely well.
The beauty of the Pet Boost I'd you can use the standard setting for general use and then use the Boost button if you want an extra deep clean. So you have the best of both worlds

 

[turbo500]

I've not actually used the pet boost yet. I tried one of the new 1100w X4 Extra's and didn't notice any difference between that and the old 1300w X4 or 1150w X1.1. Personally, I thought the decrease a little unnecessary given that the limit is 1600w until 2017. Even still, the original X1 was 800w and still cleaned fantastically, so I'm not concerned.


 


The height adjustment override is something I wouldn't personally be too bothered for anyway, I'm more than happy to use the auto height adjustment as it is. I would like to see the manual height model re-introduced as an entry level model though, giving the customer the choice to suit everyone's needs. Having said that, I suppose people who specifically want a manual height adjustment but still want the build quality and reliability of a Sebo would just get a Felix.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Of course you are going to agree with each other and be oblivious to the issues with the cleaners because you are both Sebo obcessed.

 

[turbo500]

Sebo obsessed. Yeh ok. Right back at you with dirty-fan Hoovers.

For the record, I'm not even using the Sebo as my daily driver at the moment.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Yes, I am, but I know the issues the cleaners have and I wont try and make excuses.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Gentlemen do feel free to remind us how old you are.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Look out its wiseman again....

I am 21, do you want to see my I.D? I am sure we wont require yours to know your age...

 

[vintagerepairer]

Wiseman

How very kind of you to bestow on me this title. Indeed you are quite correct Alex that no ID is needed to know my age, though I will admit I did think you were younger than 21.

 

[turbo500]

Alex, do we really have to have this conversation again? You're such a hypocrite it's untrue.


 


Everyone is a fan of something and as I've said many times before, there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum, you just have to find what works for you.


 


Just because I'm a fan of Sebo cleaners, doesn't make me obsessed. As you well know, my favourite cleaners are the Lux 500 and Twin Turbo uprights. They're not Sebo's now, are they?


 


Not that my age has anything to do with it, but I'm 26.

 

[mikanic]

I have a PurePower and I really like it. Its 750w (which I prefer to the greedy 2kw ones) and it has brilliant suction. I saw a demo from ibaisaic of the exact model I have and on the correct floor setting and it picks up ALL pet hair. You can't go wrong because it somewhat edge cleans better than my Gtech AirRam, as well as not wrapping round almost ANY bits of long hair. (sorry gtech fans!)

On the other hand I can relate to all these complaints. I'm OK with the floor pedal as I have a bit of foot strength, but other people will definitely have problems with that, not to mention it's 8kg. I can carry it but others might need something lighter. Also the motor in my model seems to lose its power quickly, and I try and check for hose blockages and dirt around the brush roll. I also try to get dirt off the corners of the bag if I can, btw I use the Microfibre bags. I can tell if there's something blocking the airflow by the tone of the motor raising pitch, and the only solution to this problem I've found so far is to change the bag even when it's not at the maximum fill.

It's a shame because I actually really enjoy using my Purepower and I want to look after it as much as I can. Going off topic I just wish the Turbopowers used 750-800w of power input and never used the permabag system, then I would look to buying one if I could.

 

[mikanic]

By the way Hi Alex!