Hoover PurePower PU2120

[turbo500]

I don't think it's a case of old technology. Look at Dyson - the technology used is fantastic and the cyclone works incredibly well. It's only due to Dysons popularity (which lets face it, has nothing to do with vacuuming and everything to do with clever marketing) that so many manufactures followed suit with bagless cleaners. Sadly, due to patents, they had to be cheap low efficiency cyclones. More and more companies are now developing "no loss of suction" bagless units - Vax, Hoover, Electrolux and Morphy Richards. The popularity of bagless vacuums is purely as a result of Dysons popularity which is a result of clever marketing. News flash for you Mr. Dyson - Numatic are still the best selling vacuums in the UK. Says a lot.

 

[tolivac]

Other vacuum brands that won't go bagless---Sebo,Kirby.Think these guys will always use bags of some sort.

 

[jmurray01]

Very true Chris, the reason for Bagless' popularity is due to Dyson alone.

If it weren't for them, then I expect 95% of homes would still use a Bagged Vacuum Cleaner.

Bagless cleaners are by no means better than their Bagged counterparts, but it is only due to the fact that all of the very few Vacuum Cleaner commercials we have here in the UK are advertising Bagless models, so people automatically associate a Vacuum Cleaner to be Bagless, therefore they buy one.

If you asked anybody who was the best selling Vacuum Cleaner brand, the majority of people would say Dyson, with some saying HOOVER, but actually, as you rightly said Chris, it is Numatic and I'm not surprised in the least.

Numatic has been around since 1980 (correct me if I'm wrong) and for all those 32 years the basic principle has never changed.

Motor in the hood, bag in the body, big sealed filter in between. The best layout in my opinion.

 

[turbo500]

Jamie, Numatic have been going since 1972. The top 3 best selling vacuums in the UK are Numatic, Vax and Dyson

 

[jmurray01]

Ah of course, it is the specific Henry model that has been going since 1980.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Actually, if I may add something about Dyson, I have some recent literature somewhere in which Dyson showed the sales statistics of cleaners and openly admitted that Vax was the major player, along with Numatic. So I am sure they know, but as has been said, the good marketing keeps Dyson where it wants to be.

 

[sebo_fan]

Um, you're all forgetting one tiny little aspect about Numatic - their vacuums can be used as a bagless vacuum - you just have to brush clean all the dirt off the central filter. Miele, Sebo - they don't offer that facility - but they're German, they're fastidious about cleanliness - you only need to look at Miele's professional website where they make clinical medical machines for cleaning hospital/surgery instruments.

'Cant say Numatic aren't novel in their design here and they also offer a fleece washable dust bag against the thinner fabric ones Vax also supply for their tub vacuums.

I think VR is right though - I think Hoover will in time bring a new bagged upright to the market - they've already just gone and launched a new Telios (Telios plus - see my old thread http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?16394) in other countries.

PLUS those like me who have the old Hoover Junior Deluxe/Compact require the Purepower bags as this is what they use - and it would make sense for Hoover to re-use an existing dust bag for a new generation of bagged upright vacuum.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Bags

The Hoover Junior Compact and the Purepower use totally different bags: H9 and H20; the latter having a dust shutter.

True, the hole diameters may be similar, but there will be differences in porosity, volume, and filtration characteristics.

H9 bags for the Junior Compact should still be available.

 

[sebo_fan]

I dont like the open ended bags for the Junior Deluxe, hence what I should have said, I use the Turbo power 2/3 sealed bags, not the Purepower ones - thanks for pointing that out, Rolls!

Still, the H20s have been on the market for some time. Hoover would be foolish to stop producing them if they stopped production of the Purepower. It would make more sense to reuse whatever dust bags they have in order for a new model from Hoover to take the Purepower's place.

 

[rolls_rapide]

The new Hoover Telios

I had a look at your linked link and found this intriguing passage in the German user manual:

"WARNING: Electricity can be dangerous! This unit is double insulated and must not be grounded. The mains plug contains a fuse of 13 A (GB only)."

On that basis, it would seem that it is destined for our shores.

On-board small tool storage is my favourite method. I hate all this "store on the hose" nonsense.

 

[jmurray01]

"On-board small tool storage is my favourite method. I hate all this "store on the hose" nonsense." That's something we agree about at least.

My 2008 JMB SC1056 has the little clip on the extension tube for the crevice tool, which although functions, gets on my nerves when the tool falls off two or three times during vacuuming.

My 2000 Electrolux Tango and 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 has on board tool storage, which I find much more convenient.

 

[sebo_fan]

Ty for that clarification, Rolls regarding the Telios.

I'm not a fan of clip on tools to hoses, pipes or anywhere else that sits out on the exterior of the vacuum. The only brand I find where tools don't fly off are on the Sebo cylinders. Much prefer the tools-under-a-flap storage idea, like Miele vacuums - although my S6 has the worst design going. If the tools aren't stored in their proper positions, I find that the T shaped upholstery tool flies off if the vacuum is pulled at times and the storage position behind the handle is less than ideal. When it isn't clicked on there, the actual clip lock often catches my jumper, even if the ring has been turned around. It's a design issue I can't stand with the Miele's current S6.

 

[jmurray01]

I like the storage idea (even if it isn't practical on the S6) on the Mieles of having the tools in a compartment above the bag, but that uses a separate door so you can open it to get the tools without having to turn the motor off, as you do in the Electrolux Tango as the tools are stored in a compartment inside the actual bag chamber.

As I said previously however, my favourite storage method is what my Panasonic MC-E8011 has. The crevice tool and dusting brush (that's all you get!) slot into a cavity on the back of cleaner, where they stay until you decide otherwise.

 

[sebo_fan]

The problem I found on my older Miele vacuums - S571 and S381 was that at times the spring latch would loosen making the flap pretty inoperative until was snapped back into place. Yet, with my old Hoover Telios, the flap never fell off once and I think if memory serves me correctly, the Telios was like a carbon copy of a Miele cylinder vac, just not as well made in the plastics department but had a better spring loader mechanism AND a thicker flap in which the tools could sit underneath, locked in. One of the better tool storers is in the back of the Sebo C vacuums, where you'd find full size cleaning tools and a slot for the user manual.

Having just seen your video about the Panasonic MCE-8011 brought memories back for me on the MCE 4003 and MCE 4111 I used to own. You'd have thought I'd have learnt the first time around - but no. I hazard' a guess that the later, final model may have had an improvement of suction quality - and to an extent it did, but it still suffered from a useless short hose, the brush roll was okay but I never got the feeling that the Panasonic twin bin bagless uprights could ever clean deeply into the carpet, often missing out dirt whilst it was useless for getting under low furniture. As I recall it came with only two tools - a fairly useless long crevice pipe with a hole in it at the neck and the default dusting brush that wasn't the best designed being of a fixed design. Like the bagged uprights, they also use the silly method of the using two drive belts as well, requiring both to be removed even if the main drive belt broke and it isn't fair that the U.S get the old Miele made U.S Panasonic based uprights that have the brush on/off switch and a far better design.

 

[anthony]

purepower

put it out for the binmen and think yourself lucky if they take it

 

[jmurray01]

"put it out for the binmen and think yourself lucky if they take it" Harsh, but true...