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What is the 'right' RPM anyway? What is the 'right' number of brushes and rows of them, and what is the 'right' degree of stiffness? I wish I knew, and I wish manufacturers had spent some time testing this over the years.
 
Whatever is right or wrong Alex - and I know you're young - but you should read up on reviews about Purepower. The Turbopower models were so much better, so much more reliable. Pure Crap isn't a name that is given lightly to vacuums in general, but its what the trade term for the Hoover Purepower. Hoover could have built the Purepower with so much better plastics and "lightweight" at 8kg isn't my idea of lightweight.
 
"Pure Crap isn't a name that is given lightly to vac

I seem to remember David calling it something slightly different and after my experience with its sister, the Dust Manager (which didn't manage all too well after one week of light use, bottom line is after 6 months it went on fire, I'll say no more), I 100% wholeheartedly agree.
 
Actually, the Purepower is better at picking up the dirt and keeping it in a bag than the horrendous Dustmanager. Even after Hoover "improved" the box, it still required filter cleaning after virtually every use. Hoover also developed the system in the Telios - a machine I once loved - and eventually the Sensory, re-naming it "Dustmanager," too. Not good machines at all - even at push, the bagged Sensory models are better.
 
Turbopower 1 activator

I seem to remember that one Turbopower that we had, (beige, tools attached), had stiff grey plastic bristles. It seemed to pick up very well. I got rid of it, because the noise hurt my ears. Also the motor conked out, (Hoover fixed it under guarantee).

The Turbopower 2 & 3 had softer bristles, and I had ordered after a few years, new activators. The new versions had embossed into the plastic "Brush Type 2". I presumed the difference was the bearings; the old Hoover ball-races seemed to have gone, to be replaced by sealed bearings instead. Candy's influence perhaps?
 
Well I must have a pre-Candy brush roll in my '94 Turbopower (I actually believe it is the original roll) as it is a ball bearing one.
 
The thing is though, even if my namesake is Sebo, Hoover models were the first I ever collected. Thus the brand has a special place in my heart and the products were also what my parents and grand parents had. I'm just biding my time waiting for Hoover to bring out the next version of a bagged upright vacuum. I had that awful Junior / Athyss stick vac a couple of years ago but it wasn't the same.
 
Do you honestly think HOOVER will create another bagged upright ? The only one they still produce is the Pure Power and quite frankly I could see them discontinuing that very soon and just having an all Bagless upright range.

And to be honest, I wouldn't shed a tear, as even if they did keep making Bagged uprights, they would never be good enough (Turbopower standard) to make me spend my money on them.

Paradoxically, as it may be, I am going to buy the new Turbo Power Bagless upright later this year as I've heard good reviews about them and I'd love a modern HOOVER in my collection.

I doubt it'd replace the Turbopower 1000 as my best cleaner though.
 
I don't think Hoover will stop making at least one bagged cleaner as there is demand for such machines. But I also believe that even if most manufacturers made nothing but bagless cleaners, the likes of Miele and Numatic will always continue with what they have been doing for years - making bagged cleaners. The bagless cleaners which lose suction power are all a load of whatever you want to call it. I hope I never see the day that bags are phased out on new machines.
 
Hear hear, if Bagged cleaners go all together, I think I'll lose all faith in modern manufacturers.

As for Miele and Numatic, I am certain they will NEVER expand to Bagless technology, as they have both built up such a magnificent reputation for making good Bagged Vacuum Cleaners and by banishing them they would ruin their businesses.

Isn't it strange though, that (with the exception of the aforementioned brands) Bagged cleaners are getting worse as time goes on, with the best ones being from 20 odd years ago ?

You would think it would be the opposite, but it seems not.

On the other hand Bagless cleaners are getting better (in terms of suction sustainability).

It actually makes sense if you think about it.

They are spending less time making Bagged cleaners as good as they used to be, whereas they are spending a lot of time making Bagless cleaners better, for one purpose only. To subtly try to forbear people from buying Bagged cleaners, so they can have an all Bagless market to make things more modern, which is what everybody seems to want to do these days.

I however, shall never proselyte. I believe old technology is the best for the most part - An opinion that I will take to my grave.
 
I don't think it's a case of old technology. Look at Dyson - the technology used is fantastic and the cyclone works incredibly well. It's only due to Dysons popularity (which lets face it, has nothing to do with vacuuming and everything to do with clever marketing) that so many manufactures followed suit with bagless cleaners. Sadly, due to patents, they had to be cheap low efficiency cyclones. More and more companies are now developing "no loss of suction" bagless units - Vax, Hoover, Electrolux and Morphy Richards. The popularity of bagless vacuums is purely as a result of Dysons popularity which is a result of clever marketing. News flash for you Mr. Dyson - Numatic are still the best selling vacuums in the UK. Says a lot.
 
Very true Chris, the reason for Bagless' popularity is due to Dyson alone.

If it weren't for them, then I expect 95% of homes would still use a Bagged Vacuum Cleaner.

Bagless cleaners are by no means better than their Bagged counterparts, but it is only due to the fact that all of the very few Vacuum Cleaner commercials we have here in the UK are advertising Bagless models, so people automatically associate a Vacuum Cleaner to be Bagless, therefore they buy one.

If you asked anybody who was the best selling Vacuum Cleaner brand, the majority of people would say Dyson, with some saying HOOVER, but actually, as you rightly said Chris, it is Numatic and I'm not surprised in the least.

Numatic has been around since 1980 (correct me if I'm wrong) and for all those 32 years the basic principle has never changed.

Motor in the hood, bag in the body, big sealed filter in between. The best layout in my opinion.
 
Actually, if I may add something about Dyson, I have some recent literature somewhere in which Dyson showed the sales statistics of cleaners and openly admitted that Vax was the major player, along with Numatic. So I am sure they know, but as has been said, the good marketing keeps Dyson where it wants to be.
 
Um, you're all forgetting one tiny little aspect about Numatic - their vacuums can be used as a bagless vacuum - you just have to brush clean all the dirt off the central filter. Miele, Sebo - they don't offer that facility - but they're German, they're fastidious about cleanliness - you only need to look at Miele's professional website where they make clinical medical machines for cleaning hospital/surgery instruments.

'Cant say Numatic aren't novel in their design here and they also offer a fleece washable dust bag against the thinner fabric ones Vax also supply for their tub vacuums.

I think VR is right though - I think Hoover will in time bring a new bagged upright to the market - they've already just gone and launched a new Telios (Telios plus - see my old thread http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?16394) in other countries.

PLUS those like me who have the old Hoover Junior Deluxe/Compact require the Purepower bags as this is what they use - and it would make sense for Hoover to re-use an existing dust bag for a new generation of bagged upright vacuum.
 
Bags

The Hoover Junior Compact and the Purepower use totally different bags: H9 and H20; the latter having a dust shutter.

True, the hole diameters may be similar, but there will be differences in porosity, volume, and filtration characteristics.

H9 bags for the Junior Compact should still be available.

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I dont like the open ended bags for the Junior Deluxe, hence what I should have said, I use the Turbo power 2/3 sealed bags, not the Purepower ones - thanks for pointing that out, Rolls!

Still, the H20s have been on the market for some time. Hoover would be foolish to stop producing them if they stopped production of the Purepower. It would make more sense to reuse whatever dust bags they have in order for a new model from Hoover to take the Purepower's place.
 
The new Hoover Telios

I had a look at your linked link and found this intriguing passage in the German user manual:

"WARNING: Electricity can be dangerous! This unit is double insulated and must not be grounded. The mains plug contains a fuse of 13 A (GB only)."

On that basis, it would seem that it is destined for our shores.

On-board small tool storage is my favourite method. I hate all this "store on the hose" nonsense.
 
"On-board small tool storage is my favourite method. I hate all this "store on the hose" nonsense." That's something we agree about at least.

My 2008 JMB SC1056 has the little clip on the extension tube for the crevice tool, which although functions, gets on my nerves when the tool falls off two or three times during vacuuming.

My 2000 Electrolux Tango and 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 has on board tool storage, which I find much more convenient.
 
Ty for that clarification, Rolls regarding the Telios.

I'm not a fan of clip on tools to hoses, pipes or anywhere else that sits out on the exterior of the vacuum. The only brand I find where tools don't fly off are on the Sebo cylinders. Much prefer the tools-under-a-flap storage idea, like Miele vacuums - although my S6 has the worst design going. If the tools aren't stored in their proper positions, I find that the T shaped upholstery tool flies off if the vacuum is pulled at times and the storage position behind the handle is less than ideal. When it isn't clicked on there, the actual clip lock often catches my jumper, even if the ring has been turned around. It's a design issue I can't stand with the Miele's current S6.
 
I like the storage idea (even if it isn't practical on the S6) on the Mieles of having the tools in a compartment above the bag, but that uses a separate door so you can open it to get the tools without having to turn the motor off, as you do in the Electrolux Tango as the tools are stored in a compartment inside the actual bag chamber.

As I said previously however, my favourite storage method is what my Panasonic MC-E8011 has. The crevice tool and dusting brush (that's all you get!) slot into a cavity on the back of cleaner, where they stay until you decide otherwise.
 
The problem I found on my older Miele vacuums - S571 and S381 was that at times the spring latch would loosen making the flap pretty inoperative until was snapped back into place. Yet, with my old Hoover Telios, the flap never fell off once and I think if memory serves me correctly, the Telios was like a carbon copy of a Miele cylinder vac, just not as well made in the plastics department but had a better spring loader mechanism AND a thicker flap in which the tools could sit underneath, locked in. One of the better tool storers is in the back of the Sebo C vacuums, where you'd find full size cleaning tools and a slot for the user manual.

Having just seen your video about the Panasonic MCE-8011 brought memories back for me on the MCE 4003 and MCE 4111 I used to own. You'd have thought I'd have learnt the first time around - but no. I hazard' a guess that the later, final model may have had an improvement of suction quality - and to an extent it did, but it still suffered from a useless short hose, the brush roll was okay but I never got the feeling that the Panasonic twin bin bagless uprights could ever clean deeply into the carpet, often missing out dirt whilst it was useless for getting under low furniture. As I recall it came with only two tools - a fairly useless long crevice pipe with a hole in it at the neck and the default dusting brush that wasn't the best designed being of a fixed design. Like the bagged uprights, they also use the silly method of the using two drive belts as well, requiring both to be removed even if the main drive belt broke and it isn't fair that the U.S get the old Miele made U.S Panasonic based uprights that have the brush on/off switch and a far better design.
 

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