Hoover junior U1012

[jmurray01]

Ah, you're probably right.

Like those cloth "universal" bags they sell these days.

They have them in the local Pound Shop, but I wouldn't buy it if you held a gun to my head.

Paper bags all the way!

 

[vintagerepairer]

Not quite like those, no, as the ones today which I have seen require the user to stick the universal bag onto a cardboard membrane from a paper bag designed to fit the cleaner. Not withstanding the Hoover Junior style cloth bag which was widely available as so many cleaners used that type of fitting, there were companies who supplied cloth bags for a good deal of cleaners, all of which had the opening factory made for the model of cleaner. The user was required to send off a form or a letter or whatever, stating the make and model of cleaner, complete with a cheque or postal order, and a cloth bag for that machine would be sent by return. Even in the spares trade we were able to buy & stock cloth bags, though I am going back a while now and certainly I never did bother as I wanted customers to keep coming back and buy paper bags off me.

 

[twocvbloke]

I have one of them pound shop cloth bags, originally bought to use with my Electrolux Z1185, but I never did as it's made of material like what cheap kids' tents are made from, with a leaky looking zip at the back end of the bag (where the dirt would have hit in that vac and jammed it up), and the velcro that held on the card plate from a paper bag where it could leak easily, so not exactly a good design, but then, it was only a quid, so not really a loss, and has taught me not to by such things...

 

[jmurray01]

People get conned into buying things like the aforementioned bags believing they will save them money, but actually, although they'll save money by not spending £10 a year on paper bags, they will be spending hundreds before they know it on a new Vacuum Cleaner when the motor eventually gives out with the strain of having to cope with a clogged (as it would become) cloth bag.

Paper bags all the way.

Put one in, run it to half full, or three quarters if you're a dare devil, take it out, put a new one in. Simples! And it doesn't harm your motor like a cloth bag.

 

[twocvbloke]

I just recalled, the pound shop bag doesn't have a zip (I was thinking of something on Instructables where they made a bag out of at-shirt and used a zip), it has velcro at the opposite end from the inlet, so, if the velcro gave way, out would come all the dirt into the bag chamber of the Z1185 had I used it and to capacity, so, yeah, definitely avoid with clean-air vacs... :S

Dirty-fan vacs wouldn't be that much of a problem, if the bag opened itself up, you just get a dirty outer bag (or chamber for those hard-bag dirty-fan vacs) that can be cleaned with ease, but it's still a nuisance, so, yeah, stick with disposable bags... :&#92

Oh, and check your ElecTruePart paper bags before using them, because of this hole that I found on one of mine, could have been messy:

 

[jmurray01]

I've used Electruepart bags for years without problem.

I do check all my bags prior to fitment however.

 

[alexhoovers94]

I don't mind some generic stuff...


I use generic bags in my junior now because after buying the genuine ones there does not seem to be a difference at all between them, apart from the writing on the hoover ones.
I may buy generic flat belts, I have one in my turbopower 2 which has been in there a while with no problems (it is a qualtex belt) the only thing I won't buy is generic round belts, I bought a pack of ten generic round belts for my junior thinking it would be cheaper, boy was I wrong! I went threw a belt in about 2 minutes of use and that in no joke! That was with a belt guard in place by the way. I think there was a reason they were sold in packs of ten..... don't you!?

 

[twocvbloke]

I think I ended up using those bags as packaging for ornaments when we moved house back in November, not sure what I did with them afterwards though (my memory sucks), and I'm not sure if I have any of those H1-type bags left, need to check the ol' bags box...

 

[gottahaveahoove]

I never use generic, ever

I got one junior at a yard sale, $5.00 It's great. I HAD to have one, you know you do!

 

[jmurray01]

I agree with using generic flat belts, there is nothing wrong with them!

I've had a (brand unknown) generic belt in my 1994 HOOVER Turbopower 1000 since September last year and it still works fine.

As for round belts, yes, I'd prefer the manufacturer's own belts, but do on occasion buy generic round belts if money is tight.

 

[twocvbloke]

That's a thought, I need to find my bag o' belts for the Juniors, not sure where I put the things... :&#92

 

[jmurray01]

I put all my belts and bags in the cupboard under the sink in the kitchen, so I never lose any!

I just hope a pipe doesn't leak! Ha ha!

 

[twocvbloke]

Well, a lot of my stuff is still boxed up since moving, given the lack of places to unpack it all, and I can't remember which box the belts went into... :&#92

That said, they could be in my bags box, which is under a load of other boxes and the broadband modem & wifi router, so means moving stuff about... :S

 

[vintagerepairer]

I wouldn't say people were 'conned' into buying cloth bags, hell no, a lot of people actually wanted them. I'd get asked about them from time to time, but like I said, I wanted people to come and buy paper bags of me. So you could argue I was conning people by not selling what they were asking for.

There is a school of thought which says that cloth bags would put a strain on the motor. I'm not denying that this may have been the case, but I don't believe it to have been as bad as people think. I'd be the first to pass comment to a customer that cloth bags can reduce the life of a motor, but then I would, because like I just said I wanted them to keep buying bags. But I would prefer to home in on a more proven aspect if I was to deter someone from buying cloth bags, such as the practicality of throwing out a paper dust bag and not getting in a mess.

Paper bags were of course revolutionary when they were first used. I have had little to do with cleaners before I had the shop in 1979 so I can't speak of the attitudes with any great knowledge before that time, but I do know that for a good deal of years the paper bag was always optional on Electrolux cleaners, I think the 330 was the first to reply solely on a paper bag, and I can't say I sold many paper bags for the machines which could have one fitted inside the cloth bag, so I know people liked the old cloth bags.

 

[twocvbloke]

I think the idea of cloth bags being a strain is a bit of a fallacy, as prior to the disposable bag, vacuum cleaners used cloth bags, yes not internal ones inside an external one, but they were still cloth bags, and a lot of the looked-after models are still here without burnt out motors...

 

[alexhoovers94]

Junior Tools


Has anyone had or used tools that plug infront of the fan on the hoover juniors (the 1334 and 1346 machines) are they anygood, suction wise or is just very poor.
I heard that the senior converter attachments had very poor hose suction, is the junior anybetter for hose use? Regardless of how good the tools are I hope to get some for my juniors one day, but for now I am just interested about expanding my collection.

 

[twocvbloke]

I've never used them, but the Junior is apparently better than the Senior with above-floor tools, as the converter connects directly to the fan chamber, rather than through a converter pan (either nozzle-mounted, or through the rear-entry converter slot, hence being the "Convertible" over in the states) like the seniors do...

There was a set of new looking tools on ebay recently, which some shill-bidders bid up to £200, but were relisted and I think sold for about £20...

 

[vacbear58]

Junio Tools

Are not bad. The suction is by no means equivalent to a modern cleaner but not bad and probably better than those to the 652 series Senior models.

The tools often crop up on ebay and there is no need at all to pay big money for them, but do be aware that there are two types - early and late and the hoses are not, to the best of my knowledge interchangable with the two adaptors

 

[alexhoovers94]

I wouldn't want to pay to much for them, I think about £4o max is what they are worth, it is amazing how that box of new attachments went up as high as £200, that is ridiculous, I meen, I know they are new and stuff, but, £200 jesus!

 

[twocvbloke]

"I know they are new and stuff, but, £200 jesus! "

That's the thing, they didn't actually sell, cos a few weeks later, they were relisted and sold for about £20, it's something I've seen happen a few times, people with multiple ebay accounts bid up the price to something nobody in their right mind would pay and win them, then ignore the sellers' requests for payment, then the seller says screw 'em and relists, and then people who were watching the item don't know they were relisted and lose out....

Just keep your eye out for Junior tools and hope there aren't any derps out there wanting to ruin the auction(s) for genuine buyers...