eurekastar
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Wow! You did an excellent job! I've never seen a fill tube like that. Thanks for all the great photos too.
Hoover junior U1012
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alexhoovers94
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Not everyone in the UK has a small house!
I consider my house to be smallish but not that small that all I need is a 6m cable, I don't have a central plug socket in my house that I could get most of my living room vacuumed with just haveing it plugged in once so I am always moving sockets and is really annoying, maybe the junior were designed for small flats and appartments which is why they have shorter cables, with that said thouh jamie said his senior ranger has a 6m cable so may your right twocvbloke about it being cheaper with less copper wire. but It can't of been that much more just adding an extra 4m but ahh well never mind.
Thanks eurekastar, It took me a couple of days to get it like this but it was well worth the effort. That fill tube was brought out on the later 1346 style juniors like this 1012 and on to the very last 80's juniors it was designed to make changing the bag less messy which it did but by no means easier, lol. I like to do nice close ups of my vacuums because I like to see other peoples close up pictures of there vacs too so I do the same
I consider my house to be smallish but not that small that all I need is a 6m cable, I don't have a central plug socket in my house that I could get most of my living room vacuumed with just haveing it plugged in once so I am always moving sockets and is really annoying, maybe the junior were designed for small flats and appartments which is why they have shorter cables, with that said thouh jamie said his senior ranger has a 6m cable so may your right twocvbloke about it being cheaper with less copper wire. but It can't of been that much more just adding an extra 4m but ahh well never mind.
Thanks eurekastar, It took me a couple of days to get it like this but it was well worth the effort. That fill tube was brought out on the later 1346 style juniors like this 1012 and on to the very last 80's juniors it was designed to make changing the bag less messy which it did but by no means easier, lol. I like to do nice close ups of my vacuums because I like to see other peoples close up pictures of there vacs too so I do the same
turbomaster1984
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Remember that
back in these days although women worked away from the home a good deal didnt and thus did housework somewhat more differently than it is done today.
6 metres of cable was plenty. If it wasnt an smallish extension cable was often the answer.
Homes were cleaned weekly and a thorough top to bottom of each room done in succession of rooms spread throughout the week.
We tend these days to clean the house on one day of the week and in a mad dash like fashion to get the job done in 2 or 3 hours. This of course means longer cables to facilitate hoovering of 3 or 4 rooms at a time or a whole floor of a house even.
Back then rooms had 1 socket mostly if you were lucky and if it was being cleaned further activity requiring a socket was probably out the window while wifey did what she did.
APpliances didnt fight for sockets like they do now and I seem to see folk cleaning around eachother instead of everyone being shoo'ed out of the way like I was as a kid.
The only sockets not usually in use by a gadget these days are usually hallway sockets or landing sockets thus the vac has to reach all rooms in one succession.
Tuesday in 1972 the lounge may have been cleaned. 6metres was enough to do that task.
Wednesday might of seen the Dining room be done and a bedroom.
Thursday might of seen the other 2 bedrooms done. etc etc.
Im guilty myself of modern cleaning. Thursday night I go from room to room doing tidying then wet cleaning then dusting then finally Hoovering the entire house in one go.
Changing the plug slows you down and gets annoying using a junior or senior but then these were made in the day when this style of cleaning didnt happen.
back in these days although women worked away from the home a good deal didnt and thus did housework somewhat more differently than it is done today.
6 metres of cable was plenty. If it wasnt an smallish extension cable was often the answer.
Homes were cleaned weekly and a thorough top to bottom of each room done in succession of rooms spread throughout the week.
We tend these days to clean the house on one day of the week and in a mad dash like fashion to get the job done in 2 or 3 hours. This of course means longer cables to facilitate hoovering of 3 or 4 rooms at a time or a whole floor of a house even.
Back then rooms had 1 socket mostly if you were lucky and if it was being cleaned further activity requiring a socket was probably out the window while wifey did what she did.
APpliances didnt fight for sockets like they do now and I seem to see folk cleaning around eachother instead of everyone being shoo'ed out of the way like I was as a kid.
The only sockets not usually in use by a gadget these days are usually hallway sockets or landing sockets thus the vac has to reach all rooms in one succession.
Tuesday in 1972 the lounge may have been cleaned. 6metres was enough to do that task.
Wednesday might of seen the Dining room be done and a bedroom.
Thursday might of seen the other 2 bedrooms done. etc etc.
Im guilty myself of modern cleaning. Thursday night I go from room to room doing tidying then wet cleaning then dusting then finally Hoovering the entire house in one go.
Changing the plug slows you down and gets annoying using a junior or senior but then these were made in the day when this style of cleaning didnt happen.
alexhoovers94
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I guss I didn't think that people cleaned there house quite differently then to what they do today, If I was to clean my house they way the did in the 60's and 70's i think 6m would of been enough if I unplugged one of the gameing consoles in the living room I guss I would of had enough reach to clean the living room, but like you said they wouldn't of had som many gadgets back then so wouldn't of matterd, because all the other plug sockets are taken up in my living room I have to go and use one in the hall which means with a 6m cable I can only reack about half way through the living room.
I wasn't aware of how homes were vacuumed years ago - Thanks for explaining.
I personally vacuum the whole house thoroughly every single morning, which may seem overzealous, but I like my carpets kept as clean as they can be.
Once a week I give the house a REALLY thorough vacuum, which involves moving the beds etcetera and using the dusting brush for the furniture.
I personally vacuum the whole house thoroughly every single morning, which may seem overzealous, but I like my carpets kept as clean as they can be.
Once a week I give the house a REALLY thorough vacuum, which involves moving the beds etcetera and using the dusting brush for the furniture.
alexhoovers94
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oh I forgot a picture.
This junior came with a re usable bag when I got it which I presume was original to it new but it was really manky so I just threw it out, I didn't know hoover did a H1 style re usable bag, did they? and is this genuine?
This junior came with a re usable bag when I got it which I presume was original to it new but it was really manky so I just threw it out, I didn't know hoover did a H1 style re usable bag, did they? and is this genuine?
As for the fill tube, that is the same as my Ranger's, which doesn't look strange at all (to me) and I find it easy to change the bag...
I'm not sure about that bag, I don't recall HOOVER making one but they maybe did.
I'm not sure about that bag, I don't recall HOOVER making one but they maybe did.
alexhoovers94
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Really?
I always thought the type H1 bags were fidily to change because you have to make sure they are wrapped tight around the fill tube and you stretch the band back over. It was always really messy with the bottom fil style because even if you pulled the bag off with a tight grip grit and dust always fell out onto the floor.
I always thought the type H1 bags were fidily to change because you have to make sure they are wrapped tight around the fill tube and you stretch the band back over. It was always really messy with the bottom fil style because even if you pulled the bag off with a tight grip grit and dust always fell out onto the floor.
vintagerepairer
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Well I was going to add to this, but our Turbomaster has encapsulated it so very well. I don't think there would have been a cleaner on the market which had a mains leader in excess of what we are now calling 6 meters, give or take. The reasons stated account for why it was not necessary for vacuum cleaners to have anything greater than this length and like I say, there was little alternative on sale. If you think about it, it was only in the early 1990s that vacuum cleaners began to have anything like the length of flex of recent years, and the likes of Panasonic and Hitachi never ever did increase the length to match the likes of the Hoover Turbopower 3 or the Electrolux Contour 2 series.
One thing I do disagree with is the term 'guilt' being used to describe an adoption of modern habits towards cleaning. Firstly, I'd save my guilt in case you commit murder or accidentally turn over a bank. Secondly, you sound like you are doing more than most people anyway. You're certainly doing a good deal more than I do! I say this in good humour of course.
One thing I do disagree with is the term 'guilt' being used to describe an adoption of modern habits towards cleaning. Firstly, I'd save my guilt in case you commit murder or accidentally turn over a bank. Secondly, you sound like you are doing more than most people anyway. You're certainly doing a good deal more than I do! I say this in good humour of course.
vintagerepairer
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They were not much more than 6 meters if they were. I don't have figures to hand, but the leads were no longer than any other. My default length when replacing a flex was 7 metres, plus whatever it took to get the flex from where it protruded from the cleaner, to where it was wired in, which on cleaners like the Junior was usually another meter more. If a cleaner had a longer lead, be it from manufactuer or from customer intervention, I would replicate that length. When reconditioning cleaners to sell in the shop, I always put 7 meters on an upright and 6 on a cylinder.
turbomaster1984
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HAVING JUST CHECKED THE lUX 500 FLEX AGAINST the juniors it is indeed 7.5 metres against the juniors 6m,
However I dont think 1 metre or so difference amounted to much in terms of features etc. Just Lux being on the generous side I suppose. Had it of been a feature I would of thought they would of gone the whole hog and upped it to 10 or more metres.
However I dont think 1 metre or so difference amounted to much in terms of features etc. Just Lux being on the generous side I suppose. Had it of been a feature I would of thought they would of gone the whole hog and upped it to 10 or more metres.
turbomaster1984
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and for you nosey lot....
Yes, I thought it was around 1.5 metres longer. It may not seem like much, but it is just the extra wee bit that helps get to the ends of the rooms in my house.
One Vacuum Cleaner which has an outstanding length of flex is my 2007 Numatic Henry.
I can plug him in upstairs and go all the way downstairs and out my back door (I did so the other day to vacuum the shed) without even unplugging it from the landing socket. Amazing.
One Vacuum Cleaner which has an outstanding length of flex is my 2007 Numatic Henry.
I can plug him in upstairs and go all the way downstairs and out my back door (I did so the other day to vacuum the shed) without even unplugging it from the landing socket. Amazing.
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vintagerepairer
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Ah, well in that case I will happily stand corrected. I know 9 meter cords or thereabouts for those with cleaners and tape-measures to hand became a bit of a selling point for Hoover and Electrolux, though the earlier Dyson cleaners had flexes which came quite a bit shorter than other brands in the same price bracket.
became a bit of a selling point for Hoover and Electrolux, though the earlier Dyson cleaners had flexes which came quite a bit shorter than other brands in the same price bracket.
turbo500
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"It was always really messy with the bottom fil style because even if you pulled the bag off with a tight grip grit and dust always fell out onto the floor"
Have you never thought of turning the cleaner upside down to empty it to avoid this happening?
Have you never thought of turning the cleaner upside down to empty it to avoid this happening?
vintagerepairer
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During the 1980's, Electrolux screened a television commercial showing someone struggling to remove a bottom-fill dust bag from a genric cleaner. A Hoover Senior to anyone in the know, but unbranded for TV, naturally. Then they showed someone not struggling to fit a bag to an Electrolux Twin Turbo.
turbomaster1984
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Best way to change the bag in a bottom fill senior or junior is to place it on a stool and pull the bag out of the machine and lower it to below the machine. The bellows are bendy enough. Thus one now has all the muck in the bag and not there to spill out.
alexhoovers94
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Wow you have quite a collection there turbomaster1984 (i think you are called Rob) I have a little over 12 but should get a nice colloection going soon.
I think my mum had one of those turbopower 1 freedom totalsystem she got it new in 1987 when she bought the house, god I love the turbopowers!
I think my mum had one of those turbopower 1 freedom totalsystem she got it new in 1987 when she bought the house, god I love the turbopowers!
turbomaster1984
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what you see there is only a SMALL selection of our collection. 300 odd vacs now. quite incredible for 5 years of collecting
vintagerepairer
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There is an advert on youtube for the Electrolyx 612 and I remember this one well. Interestingly, when the woman pushes the cleaner forward, the main body nudges too far forward very slightly. Continually doing this, and it was so very easily done, even in the advert, is what caused a good deal of the 612 machines to fall forward on themselves permanently, as some of the plastic which prevented it from doing such would snap off. This could occur very quickly depending on how heavy-handed the user was. Electrolux took a long time to modify this fault, I don't know why, but maybe it was because they were already rectifying other problems this cleaner had.
sebo_fan
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I had a U1012 too, but the handle spine on it was very weak, much prefer the U1104, but still this was one of the rarer Juniors you could buy that had the top fill bag.
twocvbloke
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I couldn't stand the U1104 I had, yeah it worked well and was in decent shape bar a few gouges and cracks in the plastics, but it was that dual-purpose handle-release-come-power-switch that really got on my nerves, pressing it to release the handle to lower it to the floor for under-furniture cleaning and you switch the thing off, or if you stop to move something and the handle locks in the upright position and releasing it again to continue and, yep, powers off, really irritated me, which is why I sold it off, the simplicity had been taken away, and it's simplicity that I like...
Changing bags in the older style Hoover Juniors and seniors though, yeah, it's a messy business, but that's why they fitted them with quick-release things, so you unclip or unscrew the bag retainers, and take off the whole assembly to flip it over and remove the bags in the hopes that you don't spill anything, which isn't an easy task... :\
I'm surprised they stuck with the open-ended bag for so long, given the difficulties it caused...
Changing bags in the older style Hoover Juniors and seniors though, yeah, it's a messy business, but that's why they fitted them with quick-release things, so you unclip or unscrew the bag retainers, and take off the whole assembly to flip it over and remove the bags in the hopes that you don't spill anything, which isn't an easy task... :\
I'm surprised they stuck with the open-ended bag for so long, given the difficulties it caused...
VERY NICE collection there
Someday, I'd like to acquire a nice "senior'. I have a junior and sevreal big commercials, but it would be nice to have a Senior from 'across the pond'.
Someday, I'd like to acquire a nice "senior'. I have a junior and sevreal big commercials, but it would be nice to have a Senior from 'across the pond'.
vacbear58
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Rob
302 vacuums actually as there are two still waiting chez moi for you.
Looking at the Lux ad, is the other cleaner a Hotpoint Swallow? Looks a bit like one - very much sought after now
Al
Rob
302 vacuums actually as there are two still waiting chez moi for you.
Looking at the Lux ad, is the other cleaner a Hotpoint Swallow? Looks a bit like one - very much sought after now
Al
Ah yes, the typical "over push" as I call it.
I see people do that every day and even used to do it myself before I started collecting Vacuum Cleaners.
These days my problem is being so gentle that it doesn't even click and ends up falling down!
I see people do that every day and even used to do it myself before I started collecting Vacuum Cleaners.
These days my problem is being so gentle that it doesn't even click and ends up falling down!
rolls_rapide
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Hoover Junior cloth inner bags
They were not Hoover. Very probably purchased from the Classified adverts in the Saturday Daily Express, which used to carry an advert for cloth bags for popular machines.
One of the advert's sales lines went something like: "save £££s on paper bags".
My gran bought one, but she went back to paper bags.
They were not Hoover. Very probably purchased from the Classified adverts in the Saturday Daily Express, which used to carry an advert for cloth bags for popular machines.
One of the advert's sales lines went something like: "save £££s on paper bags".
My gran bought one, but she went back to paper bags.
