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I DO NOT NEED A HISTORY LESSON ON HOW HOOVER EUROPE WAS LOST BECAUSE I LIVED IT BEING A HOOVER DEALER FOR 35 YEARS AND AS FOR YOUR OPINION THAT IS YOURS AND EVERY ONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIRS......OOPS I AM IN AMERICA WHERE WE ARE FREE TO EXPRESS THEM ...AND TO ANSWER COLLECTORS QUESTIONS WITH ACTUAL FACTS AND KNOWLEDGE INSTEAD OF FANTASY AND SPECULATION IS HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE....UNLESS I SEE A SEBO PAY CHECK STUB WITH YOU NAME ON IT POSTED ON THIS LINK THEN WE SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU ANSWER.......SUCK THAT UP IN YOUR SEBO AND FILTER IT.....I WILL RUN MY HOOVER INSIGHT AND DO YOU ONE BETTER
 
I can see the similarity's in the two units but face FACTS there are only so many ways o design a product. If customers needs dictate it then it is more than acceptable that the machines will end up looking similar. 


Look at cell phones , they all look prety much the same these days because the user dictates it. 


 


Look atthese two machines side by side and they actually have less in comon with there styling than you may think, the hoover even looks bigger , the hose is similar but then show me a twin motor upright that doesn't have its hose coming out the top of the bag housing. 


 


Has anyone got both these units. 
 
Well if you don't need a history lesson, cease making statements that aren't thought out before you put them here. Yes you are in the U.S, and I'm in the U.K where we have a democracy too. Yet, you seem to think Hoover have a unique concept here and I'm sorry, when you look at the FACTS not the facts that you learnt when the Insight was being made, designed, and then launched, it isn't a unique product and it isn't a unique design. Also....


 


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<li>If Hoover are "making inroads with this kind of genre," what about all the other commercial uprights Hoover have sold?</li>
<li>"There is nothing illegal in its design or its creation." Well, actually it is from the points I've raised and from others who have since contributed.</li>
</ol>
Clearly then you're a dealer, you're used to selling and you'll find every excuse in the book to iron over with a fleeting statement that may be based on existing facts to suit your own belief. I'm an owner, I don't need convincing and I don't need to convince anyone. Crawl into your own SEBO COPIED dust bag and eat humble pie.


 


Giving advice to collectors is one aspect of this forum I appreciate and sharing ideas and info is another - you seem to forget this- slating other members on here because of their experience and knowledge is perhaps not the best way to go when the facts and evidence prove you wrong - and ultimately make you look a bit false - a bit like the Insight vacuum itself - isn't it also made in China, a country that seems to be unfairly treated with prejudice by Americans because they want home-grown products?


 
 
THERE IS NOTHING FALSE ABOUT ME SWEETHEART.....FURTHERMORE STOP TRASHING AMERICA BECAUSE YOU ARE ON AN AMERICAN VACUUM CLEANER FORUM AS I SIT HERE DOING MY BOOKS AND WATCHING SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO ATTACK PEOPLE FOR KNOWING MORE THAN THEY DO IS SAD SO SEBO BOY WATCH YOUR MOUTH GET A LIFE AND FIND SOMETHING BETTER OR MORE CONSTRUCTIVE TO DO WITH YOUR TIME THEN DEFENDING A VACUUM CLEANER THAT CLEARLY IS WHAT IT IS ....FOR IF IT WAS NOT FOR HOOVER YOU WOULD HAVE NO VACUUM CLEANER INDUSTRY AND YOU WOULD BE BEATING YOUR RUGS WITH A STICK IN YOUR BACKWOODS HOVEL...
 
Sweetheart?? I'm not trashing America -I'm just reacting to your statements. Infact if you read several of my older posts you'll find I'm a fan of most American products and things. Of course you probably haven't bothered to check  - Assumption is the mother of muck ups - and really, there isn't a need to be so abrasive - unless of course you are losing your battle to get your opinion across. As for your Hoover history, have you ever heard of Goblin? Check them on Wikipedia, you might be surprised.


 


 
 
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i would not waste my time reading anything you wrote or would have to say....start your own page in scotland if you dont like what we have to say....hoover and america rules get a job
 
No worries,

Reckon its worth me emailing Sebo and asking? Have a contact there that I was in touch with last year about a few ideas I had to develop the x.1's.

Funily enough one of those ideas seems to have come to fruitition and is now on the Sebo website.
 
sebo Ultra synthetic bags

The synthetic bags are available in Germany for the X uprights and C cylinders, or at least the HEPA box is which includes the filters.

I've just bought a new airbelt cover for my K cylinder and Felix shoulder strap from Amazon de and they arrived as quickly as an order from Amazon UK. I think I will order the HEPA box for the Professional G I'm getting, even though the exhaust filter won't fit it.

I've noticed that a HEPA filter has been available for some time for the X series but Sebo UK don't offer it as yet.

http://www.amazon.de/Sebo-HEPA-Box-...r_1_9?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1338644082&sr=1-9
 
You could just buy the Windsor HEPA filter from the U.S - SEBO have tested the HEPA cartridge and apparently weren't happy with it - I would try it though it if I could, so thanks for that link sensotronic. I have just emailed you, TF.


 


The bags shown on that Amazon.de site show a paper bag - or white paper bag that I got when I bought my new X4 last year.This is a synthetic one similar to electret Felix bags:


 


 


 


 

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Oh yes, I can see it isn't synthetic now I look at it again. The ultra bag seems a step up from the regular paper bags available for the X series though. I don't think I'll bother with the HEPA filter for my Professional G as I find the standard filtration to be satisfactory.

I am using the synthetic bags in my Felix and find them much better than the paper ones, but when I had my Sebo D2 Storm that uses synthetic bags, I found that there was a fair bit of dust in the bag compartment, something I never see in my Miele cleaners.
 
mm that is strange. The bags in my D2 are usually quite full before needing to be changed. I guess it depends on the kind of dust you're lifting up, plus counteracting the big seal/dust hole at the top. 


 


I tend to use the charcoal filter in my X models but have also used the micro filter on occasion. 
 
I never owned my D2 for long enough to fill the bag to capacity. The dust in the bag compartment was mainly located in the area directly beneath the hose inlet so I guess that's the area that gets the full force of air entering the bag allowing some fine dust to get through and I could see a dirty patch on the underside of the bag. I had no doubt that the other two filters would prevent any dust escaping, but I was a little surprised that visible dust had passed through. In the old days of single layer paper bags, this was common, but it's something I rarely see now with the cleaners I use regularly.

I couldn't get on with my D2 Storm but I will still be getting a D4 Premium. I hope the upholstery nozzle doesn't keep falling out of it's holder like it did with my Storm.
 
Contact SEBO about the nozzle falling off the back. It happened to me also - they sent out a slightly redesigned nozzle free of charge. I didn't like the all stainless steel tubing either and though lighter than the ones Miele sell for their canister vacs, I bought a replacement K series tube for use instead - that way I can slide on a clamp and put the "small cleaning tool" of choice on, or use Sebo's larger triangular dusting brush if the default one supplied isn't sufficient to needs - plus the plastic/metal tubes are far lighter and easier to handle.
 
More models are coming...

Three more models of the Insight are to be released soon that will feature brushless motors (what Hoover calls "MagnaTorque"). Two of those will have a LCD screen that will assist in routine maintenance of the machine, or assist in the diagnosis of the vacuum should it require repair.

To my knowledge, these will be the first uprights to use brushless motors. Because of that, I think I'll have to add one of these to my collection!
 
It's a shame those bags aren't genuine Sebo Ryan. I think I'd rather use the genuine paper bags until Sebo hopefully decide to launch the synthetic ones. I think they should offer both types of bag so the consumer can decide if they want to pay a bit extra for the fabric bags. Perhaps they could fit new cleaners with the original bag and offer the synthetic bag as the spare so buyers can try both types.

I got my Sebo G1 Professional from Germany yesterday and I could not be more thrilled. After owning four Automatic X machines and being disappointed with the auto height adjustment, the manual height control on the G1 has turned this cleaner into the proper deep cleaner it should be. It brings up the pile better than the automatic machines but is still easy to push. I use setting two for all my carpets which are the same through out the house and setting one on high traffic areas.

This is one Sebo upright of mine that will not end up on Ebay.
 
German Plug

As I no longer have any of the X models I couldn't swap the handle. I thought about buying a replacement handle and flex or just the flex, but I went for the cheaper option and used a Schuko to UK plug adaptor.

I used one of these on the Miele stick vac I brought back from Budapest and it works fine, though it is a bit bulkier than a regular 13amp plug.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/13amp-EUR...Vision_Other&hash=item335ffcd632#ht_602wt_754
 
They are very common on home entertainment equipment these days, I know Sony are very keen to make goods with 2-pin plugs for all countries and fit one of these converter plugs for products destined for the UK. But there are a good deal of products on sale in the UK which have a none-UK plug and a converter like this. There are also at least three variations. The slimmest style of all is for the flat 2-pin plugs and the larger fitting as you saw in that link accommodates the plugs with larger footprint. Not all offer earthing though as you saw there. So for an earthed plug an appropriate converter is called for.

I can't help but wonder why if so many electrical goods made for the UK market are capable of having a UK 3-pin plug, why they don't all have them and why the manufacturer chooses to go down the route of converting 2-pin plugs.
 
Roger (Sensotronic) said: "I couldn't get on with my D2 Storm but I will still be getting a D4 Premium. I hope the upholstery nozzle doesn't keep falling out of it's holder like it did with my Storm."

Ryan (Sebo_fan) said: "Contact SEBO about the nozzle falling off the back. It happened to me also - they sent out a slightly redesigned nozzle free of charge."

Thanks, now I know I'm not alone! My Sebo (Airbelt D4 Premium) also keeps dropping the upholstery nozzle. It hasn't been enough to make me complain about it yet (I just got it at the beginning of the year), but now that I know what to tell my dealer, I will. I've been meaning to take the machine to the dealer to be fixed anyway, every once in a while it howls, so there must be some kind of air leaking in there, but it's working well most of the time so it hasn't been a priority, but I'll deal with it soon.
 
 


There's actually a way in which the nozzle should lock into the recess at the back of the machine. It will click into place when using the neck to fit the corresponding curve.


 


Check the "Star Trek" (as I call it as it looks like a large conduit door) back filter on the rear of the machine and the front filter under the bin lid. My D2 used to howl a lot until I realised the filters had not been locked onto the fixings properly. This then creates an obvious seal escape bit in the filter design as it locks to the machine when you turn it or when the bin lid is closed over - sometimes not locking at all because the filter hasn't been locked into its paths properly. 
 
Vintage repairer , its cheaper to add a converter.


 


IN SA we have 2 pin and 3 pin plugs. most company's now produce things with the 2 pin plug.


 


If they have to manufacure a appliance with a 3 pin plug it means a seperate production run just for that country and that means its a break in normal production. That means a rise in production costs. 2 pin plugs have a wider market.
 

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