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sebo_fan
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Precisely!
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SEBO FAN SOUNDS LIKE HE EITHER WORKS FOR SEBO OR LIKES MAKE UP STORIES THAT MAGICALLY FIT HIS OPINION OF THE MOMENT......I TESTED THE INSIGHT PROTOTYPE WITH MY HOOVER COMMERCIAL SALES REP AND WAS ONE OF THEFIRST TO TRY THE INITIAL PRODUCTION OF THE UNIT
i'm sure you were but like I said, why by something that looks like a sebo when you can have the real thing for not a lot more with guaranteed reliability. Sebo have proven there design over 30 years. I'd rather buy something thats tried and tested rather than hoovers 'own version'
sebo_fan
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Sensotronic - thanks for the link! I like the Go-Vacuums site but already in the first couple of seconds, the guy demonstrating says that Hoover are working "around" patents that have expired - and improving on design issues from the Windsor/Sebo G2. One of them being a replaceable cord and that the cord on a Windsor would have to be replaced by buying an entire handle and cord. Well, that's not quite true based on the fact that there are videos showing how to stitch/thread in a new power cord into the existing handle of a Sebo X1. Evidently the U.S aren't privy to that little design feature of the original model...
Next up, the Insight sounds like a Windsor/X/G2 but seems to be a lot noisier, also helped by the noise level that the guy tests in the video at 80 or so dbl. 80 dbl is really noisy compared to Sebo's original 67 to 71dbl.
I do like the top electronic "dash" located at the top of the vacuum though but it only brings a "new" indicator to change the filter, which frankly I feel is rather pointless. The Germans have made it simpler - when you check the whole system of air flow through the vacuum and there's a new bag, it's the filters that need to be changed - no LED needed there - if suction is low.
The Chevron roller is a direct copy and Hoover have even gone to the bother of putting the same metal strip at the front of the floor head whilst the brush height manual control dial is also copied from the G2. The bottom hose removal at the base plate is also far more time consuming - the original SEBO's trapdoor is easier to spot blockages and pull them out rather than fit a removable hose that could get lost over time.
The grab handle has been taken off the older SEBO uprights though and would be in no way better to handle or pull out for use than the current wand with a proper handle.
My goodness me, when all things are considered Hoover have really done themselves proud with a machine that "took 5 years to make." 5 years? Blimey does it take that long to copy a design that has been out since the late 1970's?
GUARDSMAN - I don't work for SEBO but I'm a collector of their machines. I'm sure you'd have the same reaction if another brand came out with a Hoover Convertible and tried to slate the original. How would you feel then? Not so cock-sure then I'd hasten to add!
As for making up stories - um, not quite. Just because you've sat in with your VP and whatever doesn't make this copied vacuum the best OR original. As Ry-Ry states, the 30 years of experience Sebo have put into their X series machines is worldwide - Hoover's Insight is still relatively new and it hardly brings anything new to an existing owner of a SEBO G2/X inspired models or Windsor uprights.
Next up, the Insight sounds like a Windsor/X/G2 but seems to be a lot noisier, also helped by the noise level that the guy tests in the video at 80 or so dbl. 80 dbl is really noisy compared to Sebo's original 67 to 71dbl.
I do like the top electronic "dash" located at the top of the vacuum though but it only brings a "new" indicator to change the filter, which frankly I feel is rather pointless. The Germans have made it simpler - when you check the whole system of air flow through the vacuum and there's a new bag, it's the filters that need to be changed - no LED needed there - if suction is low.
The Chevron roller is a direct copy and Hoover have even gone to the bother of putting the same metal strip at the front of the floor head whilst the brush height manual control dial is also copied from the G2. The bottom hose removal at the base plate is also far more time consuming - the original SEBO's trapdoor is easier to spot blockages and pull them out rather than fit a removable hose that could get lost over time.
The grab handle has been taken off the older SEBO uprights though and would be in no way better to handle or pull out for use than the current wand with a proper handle.
My goodness me, when all things are considered Hoover have really done themselves proud with a machine that "took 5 years to make." 5 years? Blimey does it take that long to copy a design that has been out since the late 1970's?
GUARDSMAN - I don't work for SEBO but I'm a collector of their machines. I'm sure you'd have the same reaction if another brand came out with a Hoover Convertible and tried to slate the original. How would you feel then? Not so cock-sure then I'd hasten to add!
As for making up stories - um, not quite. Just because you've sat in with your VP and whatever doesn't make this copied vacuum the best OR original. As Ry-Ry states, the 30 years of experience Sebo have put into their X series machines is worldwide - Hoover's Insight is still relatively new and it hardly brings anything new to an existing owner of a SEBO G2/X inspired models or Windsor uprights.
sebo_fan
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As for the paper bag in the Hoover - well the plastic cover seal is a good idea but then that's been copied from Bosch.
Ryan, that reminds me - have you tried any of the synthetic dust bags for the X? I find them longer lasting and better filtration.
Ryan, that reminds me - have you tried any of the synthetic dust bags for the X? I find them longer lasting and better filtration.
sebo_fan
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Oh ok. Watch your email then!
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THAT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A FLAWLESS DEMONSTRATION OF AN EXCEPTIONAL HOOVER INSIGHT UPRIGHT WITH ALL THE REASONS WHY IT IS BETTER THAN WINDSOR......HOOVER SIMPLY AND ALWAYS GIVES THE CONSUMERS WHAT THEY WANT FOR 105 YEARS.....I USE MY INSIGHT EVERYDAY IN MY SHOWROOM AND OFFICES AND IT IS AWESOME.........SEBO....SOUR GRAPES......HOOVER IS CATCHING UP......BUT JUST REMEMBER HOOVER INVENTED THE COMMERCIAL VACUUM CLEANER INDUSTRY BACK IN THE 1920S AND AS WITH EVERYTHING IN THE VACUUM INDUSTRY.....HOOVER DID IT EVEN IN SCOTLAND
sebo_fan
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Please don't try and pass off your sales technique to me. If the Insight is still available in 30 years time, then maybe it will be worth checking out. Frankly, I don't think it will last that long, but then that's <span style="text-decoration: underline;">my </span>opinion.
And as for your Hoover company - HOOVER U.S let HOOVER UK go when they couldn't pay off the air miles campaign and the Hoover U.S company weren't alone in making competitions of their products, themselves. Don't start trying to say Hoover were perfect = they were anything but and thanks to the U.S company, the U.K company isn't half of what they used to be when they had the home company behind them.
Hats off to Hoover for introducing the commercial vacuum cleaner - whatever- it still doesn't justify copying another brand directly with a machine that looks like a SEBO, even worse that Hoover should go and paint it black so that it looks like the Ensign Stealth, another commercial variant upright that SEBO builds.
And as for your Hoover company - HOOVER U.S let HOOVER UK go when they couldn't pay off the air miles campaign and the Hoover U.S company weren't alone in making competitions of their products, themselves. Don't start trying to say Hoover were perfect = they were anything but and thanks to the U.S company, the U.K company isn't half of what they used to be when they had the home company behind them.
Hats off to Hoover for introducing the commercial vacuum cleaner - whatever- it still doesn't justify copying another brand directly with a machine that looks like a SEBO, even worse that Hoover should go and paint it black so that it looks like the Ensign Stealth, another commercial variant upright that SEBO builds.
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I DO NOT NEED A HISTORY LESSON ON HOW HOOVER EUROPE WAS LOST BECAUSE I LIVED IT BEING A HOOVER DEALER FOR 35 YEARS AND AS FOR YOUR OPINION THAT IS YOURS AND EVERY ONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIRS......OOPS I AM IN AMERICA WHERE WE ARE FREE TO EXPRESS THEM ...AND TO ANSWER COLLECTORS QUESTIONS WITH ACTUAL FACTS AND KNOWLEDGE INSTEAD OF FANTASY AND SPECULATION IS HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE....UNLESS I SEE A SEBO PAY CHECK STUB WITH YOU NAME ON IT POSTED ON THIS LINK THEN WE SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU ANSWER.......SUCK THAT UP IN YOUR SEBO AND FILTER IT.....I WILL RUN MY HOOVER INSIGHT AND DO YOU ONE BETTER
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PS SEBO BOY MAYTAG SOLD THE EUROPEAN DIVISION OF HOOVER TO CANDY FOR HOOVER WAS A DIVISION OF MAYTAG BY THEN.....ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE..........
gsheen
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I can see the similarity's in the two units but face FACTS there are only so many ways o design a product. If customers needs dictate it then it is more than acceptable that the machines will end up looking similar.
Look at cell phones , they all look prety much the same these days because the user dictates it.
Look atthese two machines side by side and they actually have less in comon with there styling than you may think, the hoover even looks bigger , the hose is similar but then show me a twin motor upright that doesn't have its hose coming out the top of the bag housing.
Has anyone got both these units.
Look at cell phones , they all look prety much the same these days because the user dictates it.
Look atthese two machines side by side and they actually have less in comon with there styling than you may think, the hoover even looks bigger , the hose is similar but then show me a twin motor upright that doesn't have its hose coming out the top of the bag housing.
Has anyone got both these units.
sebo_fan
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Well if you don't need a history lesson, cease making statements that aren't thought out before you put them here. Yes you are in the U.S, and I'm in the U.K where we have a democracy too. Yet, you seem to think Hoover have a unique concept here and I'm sorry, when you look at the FACTS not the facts that you learnt when the Insight was being made, designed, and then launched, it isn't a unique product and it isn't a unique design. Also....
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<li>If Hoover are "making inroads with this kind of genre," what about all the other commercial uprights Hoover have sold?</li>
<li>"There is nothing illegal in its design or its creation." Well, actually it is from the points I've raised and from others who have since contributed.</li>
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Clearly then you're a dealer, you're used to selling and you'll find every excuse in the book to iron over with a fleeting statement that may be based on existing facts to suit your own belief. I'm an owner, I don't need convincing and I don't need to convince anyone. Crawl into your own SEBO COPIED dust bag and eat humble pie.
Giving advice to collectors is one aspect of this forum I appreciate and sharing ideas and info is another - you seem to forget this- slating other members on here because of their experience and knowledge is perhaps not the best way to go when the facts and evidence prove you wrong - and ultimately make you look a bit false - a bit like the Insight vacuum itself - isn't it also made in China, a country that seems to be unfairly treated with prejudice by Americans because they want home-grown products?
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<li>If Hoover are "making inroads with this kind of genre," what about all the other commercial uprights Hoover have sold?</li>
<li>"There is nothing illegal in its design or its creation." Well, actually it is from the points I've raised and from others who have since contributed.</li>
</ol>
Clearly then you're a dealer, you're used to selling and you'll find every excuse in the book to iron over with a fleeting statement that may be based on existing facts to suit your own belief. I'm an owner, I don't need convincing and I don't need to convince anyone. Crawl into your own SEBO COPIED dust bag and eat humble pie.
Giving advice to collectors is one aspect of this forum I appreciate and sharing ideas and info is another - you seem to forget this- slating other members on here because of their experience and knowledge is perhaps not the best way to go when the facts and evidence prove you wrong - and ultimately make you look a bit false - a bit like the Insight vacuum itself - isn't it also made in China, a country that seems to be unfairly treated with prejudice by Americans because they want home-grown products?
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THERE IS NOTHING FALSE ABOUT ME SWEETHEART.....FURTHERMORE STOP TRASHING AMERICA BECAUSE YOU ARE ON AN AMERICAN VACUUM CLEANER FORUM AS I SIT HERE DOING MY BOOKS AND WATCHING SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO ATTACK PEOPLE FOR KNOWING MORE THAN THEY DO IS SAD SO SEBO BOY WATCH YOUR MOUTH GET A LIFE AND FIND SOMETHING BETTER OR MORE CONSTRUCTIVE TO DO WITH YOUR TIME THEN DEFENDING A VACUUM CLEANER THAT CLEARLY IS WHAT IT IS ....FOR IF IT WAS NOT FOR HOOVER YOU WOULD HAVE NO VACUUM CLEANER INDUSTRY AND YOU WOULD BE BEATING YOUR RUGS WITH A STICK IN YOUR BACKWOODS HOVEL...
sebo_fan
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Sweetheart?? I'm not trashing America -I'm just reacting to your statements. Infact if you read several of my older posts you'll find I'm a fan of most American products and things. Of course you probably haven't bothered to check - Assumption is the mother of muck ups - and really, there isn't a need to be so abrasive - unless of course you are losing your battle to get your opinion across. As for your Hoover history, have you ever heard of Goblin? Check them on Wikipedia, you might be surprised.
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i would not waste my time reading anything you wrote or would have to say....start your own page in scotland if you dont like what we have to say....hoover and america rules get a job
sebo_fan
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Ry - I sent you an email - if you want the spare 2 I've got I'll happily send them to you.
turbomaster1984
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Sebofan
Where did you find the Synthetic dustbags from? Might try to source some to try in my X1.
Thats if I can prize my hands away from the Lux Glider at the min lol.
Rob
Where did you find the Synthetic dustbags from? Might try to source some to try in my X1.
Thats if I can prize my hands away from the Lux Glider at the min lol.
Rob
