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A dishwasher needs to use at least 15 gallons of water for a complete cycle. These modern pieces of crap dishwashers can all go from the assembly line to the tip. My dishwasher is vintage, uses a LOT of water, and gets everything clean. Just like my Speed Queen washer uses almost 40 gallons of water, but everything is clean.

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As much as I dislike the government controlling our machines, I disagree that lots of water is necessary to clean. Ever since we got our first front load washer, we've never looked back. In fact when I was living at a ranch with two Speed Queen top loaders and a Whirlpool front loader side-by-side, the Whirlpool would always outclean both SQs' from my experience. I personally have no problem with companies developing machines that can clean just as well if not better but with using less energy. I'd rather save my bills and help the planet out. My KitchenAid dishwasher from 2010 does just fine with using less water, I'd buy one again over buying a vintage dishwasher.

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I'm old school myself, and still use a top load washer. When it's time to replace it, that's what I'm sure I'll buy again. Probably something no newer than late '90s/early 2000s. That's just me. I'll be the first to admit that I don't like change.
That being said, I agree that if a company can build a product that uses less water/energy, and still gets the job done as well as or better than the old tech, that's great.
We've gotten burned twice on boilers for our house. Remember how long the older, inefficient ones used to last?
We've been in our house for about thirteen years, and we've had to buy two systems so far. Both times, we were promised that it would save us on our utility bills.
Well, on a bitter cold New England winter day or night, the first one never could heat our house effectively.
About eleven years later, when it would have needed thousands of dollars worth of repairs, we got talked into installing a tankless combination system that does our heat and hot water.
I'll admit, it did an admirable job of heating the house all winter. But...for hot water, I hate it.
All they kept pushing before the sale was that, with tankless, "you'll never run out of hot water!"
What they didn't tell us, was that you can't set it to a comfortable temperature for a shower or to hand wash dishes, and have it maintain that temperature. It fluctuates all over the place.
And, after having techs to the house multiple times, including the head honcho, we've been assured that the system is working as designed.
In other words, we're stuck with it.
Energy efficiency PLUS doing the job? Terrific!
Sorry for the long rant.
 
I absolutely do not believe one can build a dishwasher that sips water, and has a huge long-lasting (as in many decades) motor. The motors they put in modern dishwashers is no bigger than a power nozzle motor. No wonder all the reviews are so negative. People are being taught that five years life on a dishwasher is acceptable. 35 minutes is all the time my machine needs for four water changes. My hot water comes to the sink at 150 degrees (water heater is set as high as it will go). I have no need for the drying cycle. Open the door at the end of the wash, and the steam dries the dishes in a moment. Ready to be put away. Water is not in short supply (here at least) and I never use the minimum amount of water I'm paying for every month as it is.

We have a kitchen at the vac shop. We do not go out for lunch any longer. We cook here at the store, and I bought an 18-inch modern dishwasher with a tiny little motor. It takes two hours to wash a load of three or four plates and a skillet and two pots (plus utensils and glasses). You can't hear it run, which pisses me off to no end. The only way you know where it is in the cycle is to look at the hour(s) counter on the front display. If this is the future of automatic dishwashing, I say No Thank You. I'll take a loud GE Potscrubber any day.
 
They don't have the right to do this.

The lawsuit is about our government overstepping their authority to do this. I understand that regulators need jobs too, but now they are regulating just for the sake of regulating, costing manufactures, millions, and sometimes billions on retooling, and just when they have met the new slandered, they are told they need to do it again. Will they in time regulate these companys out of business? Time will tell. Regulate & mandate, regulate & mandate.

Jim
 
Where did you hear Tom that all the reviews of newer dishwashers are terrible? Lots of people I've talked to say they like theirs's. You'd be surprised that many users over on automaticwasher.org say they actually favor modern dishwashers over the vintage ones. In fact I'd see threads once in a while about users being very pleased with their new dishwashers. And as for my KitchenAid, that's honestly my most favorite dishwasher ever! The main reason why we got it was because we had a KitchenAid at our last cabin just like it and my mom said that was the best one she's ever used out of all the dishwashers she's had in her lifetime. Also, you'd be surprised that alot of modern dishwashers would last longer than you realize. We had to take out the sound suppressor in our dishwasher cause it was blocking the airflow but even with the suppressor off, I really love how quiet it is. Many people and I would rather have a quiet dishwasher where I'd be able to still have a conversation in the kitchen. Time cycles were never a concern for me, I'd rather take a break for an hour or so after pre rinsing the dishes out cause it's alot of work in our household. So overall, I'm sure your KitchenAid and alot of other vintage dishwashers are wonderful machines. I didn't say all cause I know my mom said her first dishwasher from 1991 in the house wasn't the greatest (she said it may have been a KitchenAid) and it didn't last for very long. But my point though is that the vintage ones can't be perfect. I know the modern ones aren't perfect either. If my next house would come with a vintage dishwasher, chances are that I'd have it replaced. Our area is currently good on water but we're still one of the driest states in the country. In fact my town is currently building a 10 million gallon water storage cause you never know when we're going to have another drought again. Our recent electric bill has doubled cause we're trying to keep our house cool during the summer season, that's another downfall with vintage dishwashers is they use more electricity just like with top load washers so it wouldn't help us out. Not to mention if I was using a vintage dishwasher and when it would break on me (not if), I'd have a hard time finding parts for it nowadays. That's my two cents but to each their own.
 
Jim, I love that cartoon! Thanks for posting it.

A interesting little tidbit for the Americans on the forum - here in Ontario, Canada, it is illegal for a city, town, village, municipality, housing development, condo board or housing committee to ban clothes lines. And I think that's a good thing....I grew up with clothes and sheets drying on clothes lines, and I love the fresh smell of clothes line dried clothes :-) .
 
I was so surprised when I heard that clotheslines are banned in some places.
I too, grew up with them. We always had a dryer. But, weather permitting, my mom always hung stuff on the line.
We don't have them at our house now, but it's something I've often thought about having put in.
I have some seasonal allergies. So, I wouldn't hang stuff out in the height of pollen season. But, I think it would be great to have the option at all other times.
 
My grandparents had a clothes line at their house. Mainly because when my great grandma was around, she only had a Maytag wringer and no dryer. After she died, my grandparents moved in and got an electric dryer along with a new washer but continued to use the clothes line mainly because the dryer wasn't vented outside:/ I'd love to have one for my own house very soon but in some cases I'd still use the dryer preferably gas instead of electric. In fact I'd love to get everything that's gas in my own home. Gas dryer, water heater, furnace, stove, fridge, etc.
 
Jim,

I had to go on a little interweb search. I swear, I remembered hearing that some places had banned clotheslines.
The only thing I could find now, was where it pertained to condos, or places that have an HOA. They like to tell you what you can and can’t do in your yard.
I was actually surprised to learn that my state is one that actually has a ban on banning clotheslines. After all, as was said in some movie once, (I don’t know what movie) “Everything is illegal in Massachusetts”.
But, if you think about it, they’re still getting to ban something. Just, in this case, they’re banning a ban.
 
Last weekend up in Montana, I had a chance to use my grandfather's new KitchenAid dishwasher. And I gotta say, I was very impressed with it. It uses less water than ours and it's alot quieter like you can't even tell that it's running. Though the cycles were longer than ours but it was at night time anyways when no one else was in the kitchen. But the dishes and brushes came out looking like new just like ours. The only thing I didn't cared about it was there's a filter that needs to be cleaned out whereas mine doesn't have one. Would I buy one? Well if I don't get a Bosch then sure cause if we had to replace our KitchenAid today, I'd get a Bosch this time based on my local appliance technician's recommendation. I will say though that I hate my grandfather's washing machine, it's one of those HE top loaders that I think are trash. He should've gotten a front loader or at least another traditional top loader like his old Maytag but I don't think he even cares. If I ever got his house by the time he passes (doubtful), the washer would be the first thing that'll go.
 

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