Hepa bags for Tristar

[mylesrom]

Has anyone tried these from webrestaurant store. Are they the V.A.C. brand. They are cheap enough, but ship is 30 usd to Canada which if I order enough would be worth it. Just would like to know if anyone has tried them.

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/tr...bag-for-compact-vacuums-pack/457BAGVAC36.html

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Im planning on buying some Less tried them in his Compact C8 C9 work well .Il oder some when i get some money he had a good experience whit em .

 

[lesinutah]

I have

I got a 9 pack or 12 pack.
They work good. I noticed they get fine dust most vacuum bags miss. They are really good if you have allergies buy them if not buy envirocare much cheaper.
Les

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Enviro care will work good but over time fine dust leaks out .ONly after a month or so Hepa bag keep it clean and help whit allergies

 

[lesinutah]

Hmm

When I vacuum my bag is full once or twice a week. I did just empty HEPA and reused once. I don't have bags longer than 2 weeks.
I only say because HEPA are alot more per bag over envirocare. I have a lifetime supply of envirocare and that's not an exaggeration.
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Anhoine

You haven't got HEPA yet. How do you know hepa doesn't let dust through.
I'm playing.
I can only say at minimum use envirocare. HEPA if you can afford are good. Just dont use generic bags only envirocare which is oem and recommend by TriStar/interstate. I believe it's the one they recommend but don't quite me.
Lez

 

[Deleted member 1090]

From what i heard Hepa bag dont let dust throught all that much Les.,
From other vacuum experience fleecee or hepa bag usually dont leak like paper bag so theres that .When i get the cash il upgrade to hepa bag ty .

 

[blackheart]

Are they V.A.C. brand?

Yup they are.I've noticed the in address they have VAC36 that's one of Vacuum American Clean's SKUs
For example:
Vac30 is the Proteam new style 6 quart backpack
Vac14 is Eureka/Sanitaire F+G
Vac36 are the tristar bags.
I'm quite surprised at how many bag types they do produce.

Anyways I have used them in both my DXL and Patriot though not extensively, but I tend to think that hepa bags are always better. The performance boost is pretty small but I think they will retain flow better over time, and keep the cloth bags cleaner.

Unfortunately at this time there are few places to get them not even Essco (vacuum supplier) has them despite having some of VACs other products. I bought mine on Amazon but they're not in stock currently leaving Webstarauntstore with their crazy shipping rates or Evacwarehouse who charges $13.15 per pack.

 

[dysonman1]

I sell them in my store. In fact those are the only types of bags I sell.

 

[blackheart]

OH!

Where do you buy those from Tom? Neither Essco nor Steel City seems to have them.

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

Amazon is where I got mine.
Les

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Oooooh il buy some soon ty ty
AC

 

[dysonman1]

Devin

I order them, along with ALL their bag types, from Nationwide in New York. They are the manufacturers of Perfect brand cleaners, power nozzles, etc. Greg Palmer turned me on to them. He brought a number of Perfect machines to my house last year when we had the Vacuum Collectors Convention. I'm very pleased with the performance of their brand of bags, especially for the Kirby, Compact, and Electrolux cleaners. They also make the Perfect upright that is a copy of the Electrolux 4000 upright with on-board tools. Very high quality, like the original but with performance improvements. The wholesale price is crazy low for such high quality. I've sold 4 of them to the college in town in just the past 2 months.

 

[Deleted member 1090]

dysonman1

So you know why some fitler cap for tristar or compact dont have the iec logo i ordered a new one on ebay dose not have a iec marking on it i was wondering ty .

 

[dysonman1]

It does not have the logo because it is a replacement part not manufactured by interstate engineering. Replacement parts made by another manufacturer are called “Bojack”. They are perfectly fine to use.

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Thanks you seem to know alot of info about Compact.

 

[vaclab]

I've Extensively Tested These Bags And...

They're great!

TriStar CXL HEPA Bag Final Airflow Tests


Three TriStar Compact Bags Particle Tested And A Bonus Super Long Winded Rant


Bill

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Um Bill tristar compact need a pre motor filter a cloth bag paper bag all 3 not one .filter look at ur book .

 

[Deleted member 1090]

I use all 4 Yes 4 layers never had a speck of dust in the bag compartement i follow yhe original owners manual booklet c8 c80 book and i even use it for saw dust and i had 4 layers no dust ib exhaust and no dust in cloth bag 2 filter is not enough read ur book 79 original motor never had dust my 2 cents.

 

[Deleted member 1090]

4 unit no damage be well .

 

[dysonman1]

The cloth bag should always be used with a disposable bag, so the disposable bag doesn’t become so puffed out that it is difficult to remove from the machine when it is full. The cloth bag aids removing a full disposable bag.

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Well said always use both.

 

[vaclab]

F-U-D

Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Hence the term "FUD". Gents, we must use our brains please. As I've proven in my 8 minute, long-winded, really boring and quite repetitive rant, for those wishing maximum cleaning performance (CFM) from their TriStars, feel free to use just the V.A.C. H10 bag. If you don't feel comfortable doing so, then don't.

It is INCORRECT to push false information that you must use multiple filters (bags inside of bags) and most enthusiasts know this. Following a decades old manual that couldn't possibly take into account all things HEPA is being quite ignorant, isn't it? Modern filtration has made massive strides forward, right?

Think about this: Electrolux for decades primarily only used single ply bags as the only filter. Then came multiple ply bags (I've used them both over a 39 year period). The TriStar can easily run on 1 filter only without any motor damage.

If you have H10 pre-motor filtration, adding more filters is essentially pointless and serves to only line the pockets of those selling parts, unless you feel the need to have full HEPA pre-motor and post-motor filters to pass some extreme filtration test.

Also, I don't buy for a minute that most users will somehow jam-pack their bag so full that it somehow requires a crowbar to remove it. Not on Vacuumland anyway.

Last note, everybody should be aware that adding filters reduces motor life by increasing the heat generated by the motor in addition to decreasing CFM. It's a lose-lose situation if you care about longevity. The cooler everything runs, the longer it lasts.

Bill

 

[lesinutah]

Bill

Using HEPA bags how many cfms do you lose.
I have a request maybe. Veva makes really high quality vacuum bags. 30 bags for $29 and I'd dare say there as good or better than Kirby bag with green writing on it. Have you used any of there bags. I'd recommend it alot cheaper than Kirby oem bags.
Thanks
Les

 

[mylesrom]

You fiddled with the rubber ring 3 times to get the cardboard seal of the hepa bag to line up. I don't have a 100 percent faith that little cardboard seal will hold on a 3/4 filled bag every time. After you fill up 10 bags and tell is none have collapsed I will have more trust in your setup. Until then I will run the cloth bag with it as I can guarantee it will not collapse.

If even one corner of you setup slips in a tiny bit, then your motor is toast. But if you feel confident in your setup, go ahead. Just don't tell everyone to USE YOUR BRAINS because you feel you outsmarted the engineers.

Other hepa bag setups have proper cardboard supports and locks to keep them in place, that tiny piece of cardboard on the tristar bag was not meant to be the main seal, the cloth bag is the main seal and using the rubber ring does not replace the cloth bag.

 

[rivstg1]

Les

truly, " I'd dare say there as good or better than Kirby bag". you can't even remotely know that w/o testing them. I thought the same thing for the Clean Fairy cloth charcoal bags. Some were sent to Vaclab and he found they were good, but nearly as good as the genuine HEPA bags. We can't just go on how they feel/thickness/price.

mylesrom: you make some interesting and fair points to consider. Vaclab, in a way , IS outsmarting the engineers from the past....kinda...b/c he's utilizing newer technology into the cleaning mix. The 'engineers' that designed the Tri Start were working with a cloth bag only as the filtration and debris container(as did Electrolux etc) Then, paper bags were adopted as the competition and buying public placed more emphasis on cleaner emissions from vacuums...followed by the development of HEPA cloth bags. They didn't redesign the intake/bag collection it seems, they went the least costly way...added Hepa. Other brands (Kirby, Electrolux etc) did AWAY with the just the cloth bag....and straight to the best disposable bag feasibly useable. It makes sense what Vaclab wrote...the other bags aren't needed with a quality HEPA bag thats been tested. I'd like to see if that cardboard ring holds as well.

just musings..

 

[mylesrom]

rivstg1

I don't think he is outsmarting anyone. The hepa bags are designed to be used within the cloth bag for support and seal. If you wish to put your faith into that 2mm cardboard ring will hold up under rigorous use, then feel free to give it a try. According to his logic it will produce more heat in the motor with a cloth bag and yet my 30+ plus year old tristar that was my parents and has been mine for 20 years is still going strong with paper, cloth and motor filter, no exhaust filter and I use it daily.... so how much extra life on my motor am I going to get by removing the cloth bag?

I haven't heard of anyone using paper bags without the cloth bag and I don't think anyone would try it. The hepa is stronger and should not break, but its the sealing ring, that I wouldn't put any faith into....

And Kirbys still use a cloth bag outside the paper or hepa bag....

 

[lesinutah]

Kelton

I have tested. I haven't busted out anamometer but side by side same size same thickness and usage they are superior not by alot but a name brand Kirby bag getting outperformed by a $1 HEPA aftermarket bag outperforming brand name is unusual especially at a cheaper price.
Yes I have tested that's how I said I dare say they are just as good as if not better. In case you missed my quote. I don't have air particle tester he does hence the question.
Les

 

[vaclab]

Replies

Les,

I'm always ready to accept donations for testing. If anyone wants to send me their favorite bags/filters, feel free. BUT, did you see my Clean Fairy particle tests? That much cheaper Kirby alternative was MUCH WORSE than then OEM. Airflow wasn't tested as the bag filled up, but my guess is that residual CFM would be very similar.

Kirby Charcoal = 90, Clean Fairy Charcoal = 1400. About 16 times worse. That's noteable to be sure.



Mylesrom,

I never said nor implied I outsmarted the engineers. The engineers never had the same technology available to them as we have now. The manual and/or certain procedures have been superseded, or updated if you prefer. Things change over time, right? So yes, "use your brains" still very much applies. it's not 1975 anymore.

And I left in my flubs because I thought they were funny. I do have a sense of humor y'know. I could have easily edited that part out if I wanted to.



The clamping pressure is tremendous with the lid locked and will easily hold in place whatever you install properly. I have also placed the rubber ring on top of the bag collar, so use that method if you prefer. I would never recommend any upgrade in my videos if they didn't work, but you have to be willing to try.

And extending motor life is a relative thing. From a Physics standpoint, reducing heat and back pressure extends life. Some may care, some may not. Running your older TriStar without exhaust filtering will make the largest difference of course as most exhaust filters tend to be the most restrictive.

Bill