Help! Shopping for New Vacuum and Overwhelmed
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I can get one for $975, with a trade....but I'm going to stick with my upright until I move, I have mostly carpets. I do like Platinum, very nice machine...although the Miele S8 is quite a nice machine as well. Id be interested to see if Miele comes out with an electric mini turbo.
I can get one for $975, with a trade....but I'm going to stick with my upright until I move, I have mostly carpets. I do like Platinum, very nice machine...although the Miele S8 is quite a nice machine as well. Id be interested to see if Miele comes out with an electric mini turbo.
sebo_fan
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So how heavy is the mini electric mini turbine? Personally i find the air driven ones sufficient enough. Like everything, periodic cleaning keeps my Miele and Sebo moni air turbo heads functioning.
kirbyloverdan
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The Aerus
mini ELECTRIC nozzle weighs about half a pound if that . Its very light and powerful and does not bog down when cleaning stairs or furniture ect.
I must own about 50 air driven turbine nozzles from many companies and I have yet to find one that works as well as an ELECTRIC one .
mini ELECTRIC nozzle weighs about half a pound if that . Its very light and powerful and does not bog down when cleaning stairs or furniture ect.
I must own about 50 air driven turbine nozzles from many companies and I have yet to find one that works as well as an ELECTRIC one .
durango159
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CTSooner. I have a tendency of putting into writing or wordage exactly what's going through my mind. I like being to the point and not bullshitting. My last line stating that was ecstatic that you are happy and pleased with your expensive purchase and not regretting it months down the road were sincere and honest!! My satisfaction comes from knowing that you are the consumer. You sought out to research and find a vacuum that you feel is the best value for the price range that you can afford.
Viewing all of the motors, testing machines with full bags is something I never would have thought about for a vacuum purchase. My experience of buying a new vacuum is going to a Sears or vacuum dealer with large selection trying the machine briefly on their rugs and getting an idea from there whether or not it suits my needs. You went above and beyond and really did a lot of work. I admire that willpower to to research, learn, try and abuse before purchasing and wish more consumers did the same. If they did we'd see a lot more vacuums on the market that were still 7 Amps instead the belief that because a vacuum doesn't have a 12Amp motor it won't clean well.
I'm also glad you don't have the 2.5" long yarn carpets like my client has. Although its comfortable to walk on, it is absolutely brutal to clean. I don't personally feel that the rug can ever be called really clean either. The threading on that rug is just too long and dirt just hides in it. Definitely an unusual experience for me the first time I ever vacuumed that carpet. The agitator is full of threads too by the time I finish doing it.
I personally despise Swiss Cheese. People think I'm nuts, and don't understand it. But the symptoms that I get from even a good smell of it drives me nuts. I tend to tell restaurant servers that I'm allergic to it if I'm substituting out the swiss for a different cheese on a dish. This way I inform them that if a cook accidentally melts swiss on entree, they have to start over and make a complete new dish again rather than just scrape off the swiss cheese and put on the one I requested. Because I will be able to sense the swiss still. I have worked in restaurants for over 10 years, I have a Bachelors in Hotel, Restaurant Management and consider myself a foodie. I am always advising friends, family and employees to "Avoid Swiss Cheese like the Plague and that its awful and will ruin their day."
My point to the little anecdote above is that in the end the definition of a market remains the same. Buyers and sellers will come together for the purchase of acquiring goods based on demand. The buyer is the one making the purchase with their hard earned money. The majority of the population has a passion for swiss cheese and loves it and if that makes them happy then that is all that matters. You need to buy the product that fits your wants, desires and needs. Once you've made that purchase for yourself it is my hope as a business manager that you are pleased with your purchase and it accomplishes everything that you wanted it to! As my grandmom would put it: "That's why there's Vanilla, Chocolate, and Strawberry Ice Cream."
NYCWriter, currently I reside in central Pennsylvania just outside of State College area. Although I am most likely moving within the next year to land myself a better job, I doubt it will be Manhattan. I've been to New York City a few times in my life. The Subway has rats, the streets are swarmed with cars. I could never imagine driving those streets. I'm not a big city person. I'm not a rural person, as I love being just minutes away from pizza, Home Depot, Best Buy, food store and other resources but I also like peaceful, nature and I love mowing lawn. I don't know what I would do if I lived in an apartment again and couldn't didn't get to use all of my landscaping equipment. Thank you for the offer, I'm sure you'll find a reasonable person somewhere. New York is full of celebrities along with other wealthy people that I'm sure have a reliable person to care for their home. Ask for referrals at work, from friends and look into Craigslist ads.
Best of luck and keep us posted.
Also when you go to a vacuum dealer to look at Riccar, Sebo, Miele and Royal, inquire to the dealer about machines that can fit another manufacturers electric driven mini power head. Models to consider could be Aerus Sidekick, Panasonic/ Kenmore PowerMate Jr., Wessel Werk MEB160 and others. You may be able to work out a package deal with them to get a canister vac along with separate mini electric power head and possibly an adapter and/or mini pigtail cord to to make unit work with your canister. See what they recommend.
If not, it's my experience that not all mini air turbine hand tools are created equally. The Eureka PowerPaw, Dirt Devil and Bissell air turbine tools don't work well for me. The Wessel Werk PT160 works well and is very powerful but the the opening set deep in from the front so cleaning steps you really need to run the unit parallel to the riser rather than up and back to the riser. The Hoover Windtunnel designed air turbine tool is a very good one and I've had great luck with that one.
Viewing all of the motors, testing machines with full bags is something I never would have thought about for a vacuum purchase. My experience of buying a new vacuum is going to a Sears or vacuum dealer with large selection trying the machine briefly on their rugs and getting an idea from there whether or not it suits my needs. You went above and beyond and really did a lot of work. I admire that willpower to to research, learn, try and abuse before purchasing and wish more consumers did the same. If they did we'd see a lot more vacuums on the market that were still 7 Amps instead the belief that because a vacuum doesn't have a 12Amp motor it won't clean well.
I'm also glad you don't have the 2.5" long yarn carpets like my client has. Although its comfortable to walk on, it is absolutely brutal to clean. I don't personally feel that the rug can ever be called really clean either. The threading on that rug is just too long and dirt just hides in it. Definitely an unusual experience for me the first time I ever vacuumed that carpet. The agitator is full of threads too by the time I finish doing it.
I personally despise Swiss Cheese. People think I'm nuts, and don't understand it. But the symptoms that I get from even a good smell of it drives me nuts. I tend to tell restaurant servers that I'm allergic to it if I'm substituting out the swiss for a different cheese on a dish. This way I inform them that if a cook accidentally melts swiss on entree, they have to start over and make a complete new dish again rather than just scrape off the swiss cheese and put on the one I requested. Because I will be able to sense the swiss still. I have worked in restaurants for over 10 years, I have a Bachelors in Hotel, Restaurant Management and consider myself a foodie. I am always advising friends, family and employees to "Avoid Swiss Cheese like the Plague and that its awful and will ruin their day."
My point to the little anecdote above is that in the end the definition of a market remains the same. Buyers and sellers will come together for the purchase of acquiring goods based on demand. The buyer is the one making the purchase with their hard earned money. The majority of the population has a passion for swiss cheese and loves it and if that makes them happy then that is all that matters. You need to buy the product that fits your wants, desires and needs. Once you've made that purchase for yourself it is my hope as a business manager that you are pleased with your purchase and it accomplishes everything that you wanted it to! As my grandmom would put it: "That's why there's Vanilla, Chocolate, and Strawberry Ice Cream."
NYCWriter, currently I reside in central Pennsylvania just outside of State College area. Although I am most likely moving within the next year to land myself a better job, I doubt it will be Manhattan. I've been to New York City a few times in my life. The Subway has rats, the streets are swarmed with cars. I could never imagine driving those streets. I'm not a big city person. I'm not a rural person, as I love being just minutes away from pizza, Home Depot, Best Buy, food store and other resources but I also like peaceful, nature and I love mowing lawn. I don't know what I would do if I lived in an apartment again and couldn't didn't get to use all of my landscaping equipment. Thank you for the offer, I'm sure you'll find a reasonable person somewhere. New York is full of celebrities along with other wealthy people that I'm sure have a reliable person to care for their home. Ask for referrals at work, from friends and look into Craigslist ads.
Best of luck and keep us posted.
Also when you go to a vacuum dealer to look at Riccar, Sebo, Miele and Royal, inquire to the dealer about machines that can fit another manufacturers electric driven mini power head. Models to consider could be Aerus Sidekick, Panasonic/ Kenmore PowerMate Jr., Wessel Werk MEB160 and others. You may be able to work out a package deal with them to get a canister vac along with separate mini electric power head and possibly an adapter and/or mini pigtail cord to to make unit work with your canister. See what they recommend.
If not, it's my experience that not all mini air turbine hand tools are created equally. The Eureka PowerPaw, Dirt Devil and Bissell air turbine tools don't work well for me. The Wessel Werk PT160 works well and is very powerful but the the opening set deep in from the front so cleaning steps you really need to run the unit parallel to the riser rather than up and back to the riser. The Hoover Windtunnel designed air turbine tool is a very good one and I've had great luck with that one.
vacuumalex
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I think the very best overall vacuum is a Royal Everlast. The all metal uprights are wonderful cleaners. They've restored my carpets. Worked much better than a Riccar Tandem Air and Lindhaus that the salesman at the vacuum store tried to push on me. They are a little loud, but so worth it. A Kirby is a similar vacuum and will probably do about the same, but a little quieter. The fan is made from plastic rather than metal, but other than that they are about the same. Can't go wrong with a Royal Everlast though!
Best of luck,
Alex
Best of luck,
Alex
Durango
Thanks and I'm glad we are good. Your email helped me narrow things down. The full bag test was great and a real eye opener for me as well as the store owners. I only dealt with the owners of the stores as I was going to negotiate and I didn't want the middle man. I told the owners as I walked in the door, what I wanted to try, how I was going to try it and what I'd pay if I decided liked the machine and them. I didn't play games and there was only ONE owner who was a major jerk. I'd never shop at Glastonbury Vacuums in Glastonbury CT again for anything. The owner actually got mad at me when I offered 699 for his highly used demo D4. I knew I could get it for that price new at the place I bought it at (I decided to just take the guys demo for that price as it was barely used). I had been warned about that store from someone during my search.
Back to the full bag test. You guys know what you are doing and the problem most people have is that they keep the bag in too long. That's why Dyson 'invented' bag-less (or was it another that I'm not aware of). It was so the vacuum wouldn't loose suction. The dealer I got my Sebo from sells Dyson. He's not a vacuum store as much as a window treatment, carpet, interior design place. He said the Dyson does indeed loose suction as it fills. There is less space for airflow and hence you should loose some. I think the reason Sebo doesn't loose much if any, is because of that large cavity the bag sits in. It's a hybrid cyclonic and I'm going to discuss this with a manufacturer of shop vacuums at the wood show I'm going to on Sunday. Cyclones are hitting the woodworking field in a huge way right now and I like Sebo's process even better.
It will be very interesting when a certain 'named' company comes out with their new vac that will be nearly mid sized, but MUCH more powerful than any of the canisters we are discussing in this thread. It seems like they have listened to every post in this thread and are re inventing the canister. I can't believe that I even care about that, but toys are still toys to me, lol.
As for long carpet, it's never been my thing. I've never even been a lover of carpet. I have had wood floors in all of my houses and usually a carpeted bedroom. My master BR has a huge Stickley area rug under the bed and a wood floor. I find that it's been easy for me to just take off the PN and use the floor brush in there. Adapt, adapt, adapt. You won't miss most things if you don't have them to begin with.
As for Swiss cheese, I love all cheeses other than American. Processed stuff doesn't do it for me. I don't even eat Rotel/Velveeta dip anymore. I was accepted to CIA/Hyde Park (was their only campus in 78) out of HS, but it was a 2 yr program and dad said I had to go to a 4 year one. That's the only reason I didn't end up as a chef. My goal back then was to apprentice two or three years in Paris at various places and then do the same for 5 years in Japan to become a true sushi chef and then to Hong Kong for a few years to learn the art of Cantonese style seafood. I then wanted to come back to the states after traveling as a young person and opening up my own place in the SoCal area. I also wanted to have my own cooking show as I grew up as a 5yo and learned from Julia Childs. This was all before cable TV and food networks took hold and I believe I would have been a pioneer and done well, but I went to Oklahoma Univ and majored in Journalism instead. I did NROTC and was commissioned as a Naval officer and drove ships and commanded some great young people in my life. I never got to do my radio/TV gigs once I left college and I miss it to this day, but I've been blessed and I get to cool daily for a wonderful woman and my kids when they come over. Yes, I cut my own fish and I have my own set of Japanese knives, including a 300mm yanagi that I mirror polish the edge on. Just another fun hobby, lol. The knife guys are also into their own specific makes and models, but after awhile you realize that you can sharpen to 1000 grit and it will cut just as good as the one taken up to 8000 or higher as long as you don't use a microscope to look at the cut
.
Thanks and I'm glad we are good. Your email helped me narrow things down. The full bag test was great and a real eye opener for me as well as the store owners. I only dealt with the owners of the stores as I was going to negotiate and I didn't want the middle man. I told the owners as I walked in the door, what I wanted to try, how I was going to try it and what I'd pay if I decided liked the machine and them. I didn't play games and there was only ONE owner who was a major jerk. I'd never shop at Glastonbury Vacuums in Glastonbury CT again for anything. The owner actually got mad at me when I offered 699 for his highly used demo D4. I knew I could get it for that price new at the place I bought it at (I decided to just take the guys demo for that price as it was barely used). I had been warned about that store from someone during my search.
Back to the full bag test. You guys know what you are doing and the problem most people have is that they keep the bag in too long. That's why Dyson 'invented' bag-less (or was it another that I'm not aware of). It was so the vacuum wouldn't loose suction. The dealer I got my Sebo from sells Dyson. He's not a vacuum store as much as a window treatment, carpet, interior design place. He said the Dyson does indeed loose suction as it fills. There is less space for airflow and hence you should loose some. I think the reason Sebo doesn't loose much if any, is because of that large cavity the bag sits in. It's a hybrid cyclonic and I'm going to discuss this with a manufacturer of shop vacuums at the wood show I'm going to on Sunday. Cyclones are hitting the woodworking field in a huge way right now and I like Sebo's process even better.
It will be very interesting when a certain 'named' company comes out with their new vac that will be nearly mid sized, but MUCH more powerful than any of the canisters we are discussing in this thread. It seems like they have listened to every post in this thread and are re inventing the canister. I can't believe that I even care about that, but toys are still toys to me, lol.
As for long carpet, it's never been my thing. I've never even been a lover of carpet. I have had wood floors in all of my houses and usually a carpeted bedroom. My master BR has a huge Stickley area rug under the bed and a wood floor. I find that it's been easy for me to just take off the PN and use the floor brush in there. Adapt, adapt, adapt. You won't miss most things if you don't have them to begin with.
As for Swiss cheese, I love all cheeses other than American. Processed stuff doesn't do it for me. I don't even eat Rotel/Velveeta dip anymore. I was accepted to CIA/Hyde Park (was their only campus in 78) out of HS, but it was a 2 yr program and dad said I had to go to a 4 year one. That's the only reason I didn't end up as a chef. My goal back then was to apprentice two or three years in Paris at various places and then do the same for 5 years in Japan to become a true sushi chef and then to Hong Kong for a few years to learn the art of Cantonese style seafood. I then wanted to come back to the states after traveling as a young person and opening up my own place in the SoCal area. I also wanted to have my own cooking show as I grew up as a 5yo and learned from Julia Childs. This was all before cable TV and food networks took hold and I believe I would have been a pioneer and done well, but I went to Oklahoma Univ and majored in Journalism instead. I did NROTC and was commissioned as a Naval officer and drove ships and commanded some great young people in my life. I never got to do my radio/TV gigs once I left college and I miss it to this day, but I've been blessed and I get to cool daily for a wonderful woman and my kids when they come over. Yes, I cut my own fish and I have my own set of Japanese knives, including a 300mm yanagi that I mirror polish the edge on. Just another fun hobby, lol. The knife guys are also into their own specific makes and models, but after awhile you realize that you can sharpen to 1000 grit and it will cut just as good as the one taken up to 8000 or higher as long as you don't use a microscope to look at the cut
.
nycwriter
Well-known member
Well ...
I tried out an Electrolux. The brand-new model they just got in literally three days ago -- apparently it's a "Guardian" metal body.
OMG.
I think I may be sold.
The hose ALONE could sell me -- I didn't realize they even made such high-quality hoses anymore.
Oh yes, and it has a HEADLIGHT.
I walked down to 14th Street, but the store that sells the Royal was closed. Don't worry, I'll still give the Royal and the Sebo a fair shake.
But I think I've found a winner here.
And as far as my Fantom -- well I want it to go to a good home. Where better than here to ask if anyone's interested?
I tried out an Electrolux. The brand-new model they just got in literally three days ago -- apparently it's a "Guardian" metal body.
OMG.
I think I may be sold.
The hose ALONE could sell me -- I didn't realize they even made such high-quality hoses anymore.
Oh yes, and it has a HEADLIGHT.
I walked down to 14th Street, but the store that sells the Royal was closed. Don't worry, I'll still give the Royal and the Sebo a fair shake.
But I think I've found a winner here.
And as far as my Fantom -- well I want it to go to a good home. Where better than here to ask if anyone's interested?
nycwriter
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Alex ...
I agree with you on the Royal Everlast.
I just wish it were appropriate for the space I have now.
Actually, I'll be in the process of buying a second home in Pittsburgh. Then there will be plenty of wide-open carpeted spaces for such an animal to roam free! LOL.
I agree with you on the Royal Everlast.
I just wish it were appropriate for the space I have now.
Actually, I'll be in the process of buying a second home in Pittsburgh. Then there will be plenty of wide-open carpeted spaces for such an animal to roam free! LOL.
eurekaprince
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Matt - with this new Aerus Guardian Platinum, you should be wary of the following potential problems:
You said you don't have a lot of storage space. Check to see how much space this takes up in the closet. I don't know if the power nozzle can hang from the main canister nose down, and so it might have to sit flat on the floor. Also, the wands aren't telescopic, so you will have this bulky handle with the on board dusty attachments stored high up jabbing into your hanging coats and jackets.
Also, it seems that attaching the dusting brush is a two step process - you have to attach an adapter first, then put on the brush. Not sure where the adapter stores. The hose handle seems rather cumbersome for dusting bookshelves and getting into tight spaces, compared to the simple hose handle on a Miele upright.
Vacuumlanders know that I am one of those that appreciates Consumer Reports test results. They usually have a full updated set of ratings in the spring in time for spring cleaning. Therefore, you might want to wait a few weeks to see the results of tests on some of these new vacs (Miele S8 canisters, Aerus Guardian, the Moxie, etc). I am a little suspicious of the performance of that Aerus power nozzle on carpets: it's never excelled at carpet cleaning like some of the competing Miele and Panasonic/Kenmore nozzles.
Just some things to think about....
You said you don't have a lot of storage space. Check to see how much space this takes up in the closet. I don't know if the power nozzle can hang from the main canister nose down, and so it might have to sit flat on the floor. Also, the wands aren't telescopic, so you will have this bulky handle with the on board dusty attachments stored high up jabbing into your hanging coats and jackets.
Also, it seems that attaching the dusting brush is a two step process - you have to attach an adapter first, then put on the brush. Not sure where the adapter stores. The hose handle seems rather cumbersome for dusting bookshelves and getting into tight spaces, compared to the simple hose handle on a Miele upright.
Vacuumlanders know that I am one of those that appreciates Consumer Reports test results. They usually have a full updated set of ratings in the spring in time for spring cleaning. Therefore, you might want to wait a few weeks to see the results of tests on some of these new vacs (Miele S8 canisters, Aerus Guardian, the Moxie, etc). I am a little suspicious of the performance of that Aerus power nozzle on carpets: it's never excelled at carpet cleaning like some of the competing Miele and Panasonic/Kenmore nozzles.
Just some things to think about....
kirbyloverdan
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Consumer Reports is not
the Bible to Vacuum testing .
They do it in controlled enviroments using talcum powder and sand and many vacuum manufactures and Vacuum shops do not agree with their findings . Many vacuum collectors do not agree with them either . They need to go into homes and test real world dirt .
It`s a refrence but not to be taken seriously as they dont test in real world situations . It all comes down to personal preference I own this machine and love it . All it took was one demo and I was sold. This is unlike any Aerus ever produced . Plus my over 40 years experience and owning over 400 vacuums I think I know a tad more about vacuums than Consumer Reports .
The Aerus Guardian Platinum is a much more powerful vacuum than pervious Aerus Vacuums .
the Bible to Vacuum testing .
They do it in controlled enviroments using talcum powder and sand and many vacuum manufactures and Vacuum shops do not agree with their findings . Many vacuum collectors do not agree with them either . They need to go into homes and test real world dirt .
It`s a refrence but not to be taken seriously as they dont test in real world situations . It all comes down to personal preference I own this machine and love it . All it took was one demo and I was sold. This is unlike any Aerus ever produced . Plus my over 40 years experience and owning over 400 vacuums I think I know a tad more about vacuums than Consumer Reports .
The Aerus Guardian Platinum is a much more powerful vacuum than pervious Aerus Vacuums .
eurekaprince
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Dan,
I trust Consumer Reports because as a scientist, I like to see the results of scientific tests done in controlled environments. I have been interested in vacuum cleaners for over 40 years, and in most of my encounters with the owners of specialty vac stores and their salesmen, I have been given a lot of misinformation in order for them to make a good sale. Consumer Reports has saved me lots of time and money over the years by giving me comparitive facts about observable and measurable characteristics of a product. When used intelligently, these test results are a big help in choosing a product. They are on the consumers' side when it comes to making a purchase. If in two identical tests the power nozzle of one vac removes vastly more test material than a second vac, I trust that scientific data more than the sales shpeel of a vac salesman. And it's not as if I blindly follow what is on the top of the ratings list. The CR website allows you to filter the ratings to match the data that is more important to you. For instance, if I already have an upright for carpet cleaning, and am only interested in a canister for cleaning everything else, I can create a ranking of vacs on the market that have strong airflow thru the hose for tool use, and ignore how they fared in the carpet cleaning category. Then I can even sort the results by price to see how low a price I can get for a vac that does those things well.
To me this information is much more reliable than the information given to me by a vac salesman who is not honest - and I have experienced far too much of that in many vac shops.
Because of the valuable work of Consumer Reports, I am now the proud owner of a Hoover Tempo Upright and an Electrolux UltraSilencer Green. This two vacs are the easiest vacs I have ever used, and they are excellent dirt removers. The combined cost to me was 500 Canadian dollars, which helped save me lots of money. I also saved hours running around to different vac stores in order to listen to sales people who were more concerned about their profit margins than selling a vac that is good value for the money.
Don't get me wrong: I know that there are many honest hardworking people out there in the vacuum stores, and it seems many of the nicest ones are to be found right here at Vacuumland. It's just that I have encountered too many sales people who have treated me condescendingly as if I know nothing about vacs. How would you like to be charged for a belt replacement on an upright when you had just put in a fresh belt before handing the vac over for some other repair? This happened to me when we dropped off our Hoover SP WT upright when Hoover recalled them for a free switch replacement....
I accept the fact that many dealers dislike Consumer Reports, but as a vacuum fanatic, I am allowed to like the organization and the tests they do. Just like we should avoid brand-bashing on this website, we should also avoid CR bashing, in my opinion.
I trust Consumer Reports because as a scientist, I like to see the results of scientific tests done in controlled environments. I have been interested in vacuum cleaners for over 40 years, and in most of my encounters with the owners of specialty vac stores and their salesmen, I have been given a lot of misinformation in order for them to make a good sale. Consumer Reports has saved me lots of time and money over the years by giving me comparitive facts about observable and measurable characteristics of a product. When used intelligently, these test results are a big help in choosing a product. They are on the consumers' side when it comes to making a purchase. If in two identical tests the power nozzle of one vac removes vastly more test material than a second vac, I trust that scientific data more than the sales shpeel of a vac salesman. And it's not as if I blindly follow what is on the top of the ratings list. The CR website allows you to filter the ratings to match the data that is more important to you. For instance, if I already have an upright for carpet cleaning, and am only interested in a canister for cleaning everything else, I can create a ranking of vacs on the market that have strong airflow thru the hose for tool use, and ignore how they fared in the carpet cleaning category. Then I can even sort the results by price to see how low a price I can get for a vac that does those things well.
To me this information is much more reliable than the information given to me by a vac salesman who is not honest - and I have experienced far too much of that in many vac shops.
Because of the valuable work of Consumer Reports, I am now the proud owner of a Hoover Tempo Upright and an Electrolux UltraSilencer Green. This two vacs are the easiest vacs I have ever used, and they are excellent dirt removers. The combined cost to me was 500 Canadian dollars, which helped save me lots of money. I also saved hours running around to different vac stores in order to listen to sales people who were more concerned about their profit margins than selling a vac that is good value for the money.
Don't get me wrong: I know that there are many honest hardworking people out there in the vacuum stores, and it seems many of the nicest ones are to be found right here at Vacuumland. It's just that I have encountered too many sales people who have treated me condescendingly as if I know nothing about vacs. How would you like to be charged for a belt replacement on an upright when you had just put in a fresh belt before handing the vac over for some other repair? This happened to me when we dropped off our Hoover SP WT upright when Hoover recalled them for a free switch replacement....
I accept the fact that many dealers dislike Consumer Reports, but as a vacuum fanatic, I am allowed to like the organization and the tests they do. Just like we should avoid brand-bashing on this website, we should also avoid CR bashing, in my opinion.
kirbyloverdan
Well-known member
No bashing
here you love them I dont that my right as here in the US we have freedom of speech .
I own over 400 vacuums and owned a store and managed another one. 40 + years experience and repaired , owned and researched thousands of vacuums in those years . Compared to a collection of two vacuums ? I guess a scientist with a copy of consumer reports trumps that though ?[this post was last edited: 1/12/2013-13:51]
here you love them I dont that my right as here in the US we have freedom of speech .
I own over 400 vacuums and owned a store and managed another one. 40 + years experience and repaired , owned and researched thousands of vacuums in those years . Compared to a collection of two vacuums ? I guess a scientist with a copy of consumer reports trumps that though ?[this post was last edited: 1/12/2013-13:51]
funeraldirector
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Lux Platinum
eurekaprince,
The wands are better on the Platinum than the Epic wands on the Legacy and the handle is more sturdy. I use the attachment holder on the lower wand and it is growing on me. I am not so crazy about the adapter for the combo dusting and upol brush BUT these are very high quality Most of the others on the market feel cheap to me. An attachment caddy, brush, crevice and upol. tool for the Tristar in matching black cures the problem for an extra $50 for those it bothers. I will say it again this vacuum has very high quality attachments and mind-blowing performance. I always add an extra set of wands so I have the combo rug and floor tool separate from the PN. The black wands should be avail to order now.
As I stated above I hate Consumer Reports. In a recent conversation with Tom Gasko (the person who answers the few vacuum questions I can't correctly) I changed the roller assy to the Lux HPO green brush. ASTM testing numbers show about 75% for the OEM double helix and about 85% soil removal with the more agressive green brush. In real world scientific testing (far and above CR's engineering prowess) what this really means is the Lux Omniflow on my machine performs about the same with the HPO roller as the Miele 236 does. And some say the Lux nozzle can't deep clean a carpet. I may well have forgotten more than the engineers ar CR will ever know about Lux, Miele, Sebo, Simplicity and FQ.
NYCWRITER you will be very pleased with this machine and its quieter than the Miele Capricorn. BUY IT!
Brian
eurekaprince,
The wands are better on the Platinum than the Epic wands on the Legacy and the handle is more sturdy. I use the attachment holder on the lower wand and it is growing on me. I am not so crazy about the adapter for the combo dusting and upol brush BUT these are very high quality Most of the others on the market feel cheap to me. An attachment caddy, brush, crevice and upol. tool for the Tristar in matching black cures the problem for an extra $50 for those it bothers. I will say it again this vacuum has very high quality attachments and mind-blowing performance. I always add an extra set of wands so I have the combo rug and floor tool separate from the PN. The black wands should be avail to order now.
As I stated above I hate Consumer Reports. In a recent conversation with Tom Gasko (the person who answers the few vacuum questions I can't correctly) I changed the roller assy to the Lux HPO green brush. ASTM testing numbers show about 75% for the OEM double helix and about 85% soil removal with the more agressive green brush. In real world scientific testing (far and above CR's engineering prowess) what this really means is the Lux Omniflow on my machine performs about the same with the HPO roller as the Miele 236 does. And some say the Lux nozzle can't deep clean a carpet. I may well have forgotten more than the engineers ar CR will ever know about Lux, Miele, Sebo, Simplicity and FQ.
NYCWRITER you will be very pleased with this machine and its quieter than the Miele Capricorn. BUY IT!
Brian
kirbyloverdan
Well-known member
Thank you Brian
is the Green brush roll available for purchase ? If so where can I get one from all of my sources just stock the regular brush roll ?
You are correct ASTM is the ONLY true test for vacuum cleaners . Plus our knowledge and many years experience tops it all off .
If you are truely passionate about a product you will learn and know more than any magazine could ever teach you .
is the Green brush roll available for purchase ? If so where can I get one from all of my sources just stock the regular brush roll ?
You are correct ASTM is the ONLY true test for vacuum cleaners . Plus our knowledge and many years experience tops it all off .
If you are truely passionate about a product you will learn and know more than any magazine could ever teach you .
funeraldirector
Well-known member
Green Roler
Dan,
Aerus in Salem, NH has two that are used and literally brand new. Call Felix to see if they are still avail. I bought the last two new ones Aerus had in the FOAS system. These were only made for the 9000 one year and p/n is 48011. The new 1.2 A Johnson motor spins it just fine compared to the 2.1A motor that came with the 9000 power nozzle.
Brian
Dan,
Aerus in Salem, NH has two that are used and literally brand new. Call Felix to see if they are still avail. I bought the last two new ones Aerus had in the FOAS system. These were only made for the 9000 one year and p/n is 48011. The new 1.2 A Johnson motor spins it just fine compared to the 2.1A motor that came with the 9000 power nozzle.
Brian
nycwriter
Well-known member
Another plus going for the Electrolux ...
... the store manager told me that for the *life* of my sweeper, for any and all repairs and service, they do free pick-up and delivery. That may not sound like a big deal out in the rest of America where people have cars, but here in New York City, that's worth its weight in gold (practically); if your sweeper breaks, you usually have to pay a hefty fee for pick-up and delivery ... try to drag the darn thing on the subway (of course making a special trip, because it's not something you want to drag with you to work in the morning) ... or pay for a cab.
... the store manager told me that for the *life* of my sweeper, for any and all repairs and service, they do free pick-up and delivery. That may not sound like a big deal out in the rest of America where people have cars, but here in New York City, that's worth its weight in gold (practically); if your sweeper breaks, you usually have to pay a hefty fee for pick-up and delivery ... try to drag the darn thing on the subway (of course making a special trip, because it's not something you want to drag with you to work in the morning) ... or pay for a cab.
nYC
I fully appreciate that. My wife and I are talking about getting a small condo in the city in a few years possibly and we speak about stuff like that all the time. I'm so happy you went to Lux. Brian has been telling me about his and I wish I could have afforded it. I loved that one as well as the Miele Capricorn, but couldn't really afford either at the end of the day. You'll be really happy with that one I'm sure.
Well, my wife dropped an ornament today and it shattered all over the chair and the floor. Shards everywhere. I said, don't worry dear, I'll break out the Sebo. It was quick and picked up everything. I used the upolstery brush and did the chair. WHAT a pleasure. It was as good as new. I've never vacuumed that chair as I had the Oreck upright. I did the whole downstairs and it looks great. I do enjoy being able to stand the motor on it's end and then make the wand nice and small to fit in the small closet we use to store it. The body on that Lux uint didn't seem to be too big to me. The first thing the guy did at the store was to crush the hose for me to see. It's a beast and makes you feel that the machine is better made than anything else. I love the hose on my Sebo too as it's very very sturdy and also crush free. I didn't love the Miele hoses for some reason.
I fully appreciate that. My wife and I are talking about getting a small condo in the city in a few years possibly and we speak about stuff like that all the time. I'm so happy you went to Lux. Brian has been telling me about his and I wish I could have afforded it. I loved that one as well as the Miele Capricorn, but couldn't really afford either at the end of the day. You'll be really happy with that one I'm sure.
Well, my wife dropped an ornament today and it shattered all over the chair and the floor. Shards everywhere. I said, don't worry dear, I'll break out the Sebo. It was quick and picked up everything. I used the upolstery brush and did the chair. WHAT a pleasure. It was as good as new. I've never vacuumed that chair as I had the Oreck upright. I did the whole downstairs and it looks great. I do enjoy being able to stand the motor on it's end and then make the wand nice and small to fit in the small closet we use to store it. The body on that Lux uint didn't seem to be too big to me. The first thing the guy did at the store was to crush the hose for me to see. It's a beast and makes you feel that the machine is better made than anything else. I love the hose on my Sebo too as it's very very sturdy and also crush free. I didn't love the Miele hoses for some reason.
nycwriter
Well-known member
The Miele hoses ...
Feel very cheap to me.
I know they're made out of some sort of unbreakable space-age plastic ... but they still feel cheap, like they'll dry out and crack after a couple years.
Feel very cheap to me.
I know they're made out of some sort of unbreakable space-age plastic ... but they still feel cheap, like they'll dry out and crack after a couple years.
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