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Buy a Sanitaire, beats the competition out of the carpet and into it's bag... :P

Or a Tristar CXL, hardly anything to go wrong with them cos all they are is a motor in a shell with a bag & a switch, none of that silly nonesense you get on other modern vacs... :D
 
Sebo

Anyone have anything to say about the Sebo machines?

Went to the Oreck store for a demo and I must say, I wasn't terribly impressed with it.

Malcolm
 
I personally can`t take

Sebo`s automatic carpet height adjustment on their X series . It is always moving up and down and never seems to groom my carpets like other vacuums. Drive me nuts !
Orecks are very good machines I own around 12-15 of the newest ones and my favorite is the platnium pilot with the new Endoro-life belt . Awsome vacuum works well on my deep pile Frise carpets .
 
Sebo cannisters are pretty good vacs, they're just expensive, but very efficient with excellent filtration... :)

As for Orecks, well, let's put it this way, an all-plastic Hoover Junior U1104 will outlast an Owreck, under the same conditions, and picking up the same stuff, so, yeah, steer clear of them...
 
About the Orecks

I am sorry but I must respectfully disagree they are very well made vacuums and many people I know have Orecks that are 20+ years old and love them . They are one of the last machines made here in the USA and these machines hold up . I live near Atlantic city NJ and mostly every hotel uses Orecks and the machines are old and hold up very well in the casinos. I used to manage an Oreck store and had the chance to purchase the store and didn`t now I am kicking myself because todays Orecks are even better than the older ones .
 
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I also think the Kirby is an excellent choice if you can deal with the weight, the newer Orecks such as the Gold and Platinum are pretty nice machines much quieter than their older models and clean much better. The Lindhaus brand would also be worth looking into, i'm pretty pleased with my healthcare pro. As for Sebo i've not used too many (Windsor badged versamatic and flexamatic (felix) the versamatics took a lot of abuse and would keep going the flexamatics were a little problematic, i do know that a customer at a local shop who owns a carpet cleaning business would go through a TOL Simplicity tandem air machine about once a year, they sold him a Sebo X series which he's had for 6 or 7, The owner tells me that those tandem air machines clean amazingly well though.
 
Just my 2 cents

I have to say a few words because I have used almost every vacuum mentioned so far. Over the summer I have been working at a local vacuum store and I have been going there for many years and when considering brand reliability ( there are stores around us that sell all of these brands mentioned ) Dysons are frequent to be repaired, they have switch and belt problems all the time. Sebos are not as frequent but are still common for various repairs. Kirbys are also frequent for mostly transmission problems , fan and brush issues are also common. as for rainbows, when they do come in they are almost always at least 15 years old, never see the newer ones. The new eureka electroluxes are not as common as some of the others but when they are in here they are usually unrepairable. And finally mieles, they are almost never in for repair, and again when they are they are 10 plus years old. As for cleaning ability and usability I vote for miele uprights. I own five kirbys from various dates and I use a sentria that we ane selling in our store, and when I use my miele bolero I can hear TONS of sand and grit  going through the hose and I know it deep cleans!  as for tools on the miele they are very easy to use and you can reduce the suction for drapes and other light jobs. the filtration is very good, and the bag is large, self sealing, and compacts hair and lighter material, and it is multilayered and maintains airflow very well. and I feel that the miele can match or beat any of the other machines in terms of carpet cleaning. as for the newer dysons they do clean better then the older ones but not as well as miele, kirby ect. But if you want a canister, GO FOR RAINBOW they are even better then mieles in my opinion.


Hope this helps


Scott
 
Kirby G Series

I'd recommend the Kirby G Series over anything else. They last longer, and they come with a full set of attachments and optional accessories. I just bought a G4 and love that thing
-Jayson
 
Simplicity?

Does anyone own a Simplicity? I see that they are made in USA. That moves them up on my list. Nobody has mentioned them here yet so maybe they aren't that great. They seem to have a connection to Riccar for some reason. Not cheap, but if you only buy a vacuum every 10 years or so...

Thoughts?

Malcolm
 
Simplicity and Riccar

Are both owned by Tacony they are basically the same machines with different names and colors, The vac shop guy said the tandem air ones (having both a direct air and bypass motor) do things "he's never seen any other vacuum do" I used to have a Simplicity Freedom and it was a wonderful lightweight machine i didn't get a chance to compare it to the Oreck XL 21 but i feel the simplicity would have had the edge
 
Lots of good vac...

I think there are a lot of good ones. Someone else's top choice may not be your's.

I like the Sanitaire redline commercial or blueline uprights alot. I have two metal topped blues and a grey topped red. They clean very well but are loud and have a brutish kinda vibe to them. Coarse and tough, not an elegant machine, but proven and gets the job done very, very well.

On the other end of the spectrum is the Sebo Felix. I love mine. It's quiet, light, very nimble and maneuverable, a real joy to use. I haven't used it a ton, but others report that it cleans and grooms very well. I like how you can switch out the powerhead and attach a parquet head for dedicated hard floor cleaning. Interesting, because it's so much quieter than the direct air Sanitaires, you'd think it couldn't clean as well. I can't tell you because of my limited experience with it, but folks think it's one of the best vacuums. Again, it handles like a dream.

I have a bunch of Tacony vacs. A couple of Riccar 8000 series, a couple of Simplicity 7000 series, a Carpet Pro, and a Dustcare 6500C commercial vac which I don't think is Tacony but seems to be nearly identical inside (this vac was also once marketed as the Bernina 6500). Some folks don't like the Riccars or this style of vac. Well, I've only used the Dustcare with any regularity. I love it. As part of my job I clean up houses and apartments after tenants have moved out and this vacuum is fantastic. Some of the houses are trashed, and this vacuum does a fantastic job with the carpets. If you get the hose kit, you can plug it into the back and use the tools. Cleans great, not too loud. A real durable workhorse. One of my favorites. The Carpet Pro an affordable commercial/heavy duty vac with similar performance. The quality of the wheels and input hose, etc, make it feel more like a budget model compared to the others. Still, it's got the same components where it counts. Depending on what kind of environment you're in,you may want to look towards the commercial vacs with longer cords. I have a Carpet Pro CPU-1, which is the same vac but with a shorter 2 prong cord.Worth checking out this style of vac.

Windsor Versamatic. Love this vac, too. Quiet and performance feels absolutely solid. It has a feel of durable quality. Very solid feeling, both in build and performance. My only quibble with it is it's heavy. Annoying if you've got to go up and down stairs with it.

Dyson DC23 turbine head canister. Love this vac, too. Some say it can't deep clean very well because of the turbine head. I don't know if that's the case or not, but it cleans very, very well in my GF's house. I just used it last night and I swear it has this interesting effect of making the air seem very clean and breathable after vacuuming. I'm not just saying that because I'm a Dyson fanatic (I'm not - have an objective love of this vac, but would be willing to dislike it if warranted). It's an effect both my GF and I notice. She mentioned it after I was done, and I've noticed it after she vacuums. Don't know what's going on, there, but the effect is real. I don't know if you notice this with your upright or not. People are way into or way critical of the Dysons. In my experience with the DC23, a very good vac.

One that I don't really recommend if you're only going to have one vac: vintage Electrolux Epic or Prolux upright. I think it's a good vac for light cleaning, but doesn't vibrate enough or have enough suction for deep cleaning. Probably pretty good on short knap commercial carpet, but I'm not sure on higher knapped carpet. I like the versatility and use it for surface cleaning after I've deep cleaned with another vac. I like the way you can switch off the head motor and use it like an electric broom on hard floors. Apparently the current Aerus Guardian models have much more powerful motors and perform much better than these older models.

Hope you find one that's right for you!
 
I did mention the Simplictys, but I'll go more in depth now. Riccar and Simplicity are both owned by a company called Tacony and built in St. James Missouri. They are sold only in authorized dealers. Most Riccars/Simplicitys feature metal handles, brush rolls and bottom plates, although the low-end models have more plastic parts. The prices varies by the dealer. A small Riccar dealer near my house sells Riccar's Supralite for $279, but a larger dealer might have a more low-end model. Of course the price in negotiable; you could ask to thrown in some free bags or something like that.

If you don't want to buy from a dealer, Tacony also makes vacuums under than name Fuller Brush and Carpet Pro, which are very similar to the Riccars and Simplictys but are foreign made. All of the Fuller Brush models sell for UNDER $300.

Tacony vacuums are for people with homes with mostly carpeting and don't use the vacuum hose too much. I don't like using my Riccar for dusting, and they are a bit loud, but definitely no louder than your Dyson. They are fantastic at deep cleaning carpets and many parts are easily replaceable. The motors in them normally last around 15 years. Tacony makes no bagless vacuums.

I would find a dealer and try one Tacony's vacuums. You will either love or hate it, but you must try one to find out!
 
Authorized Dealer

It seems there is a Simplicity Dealer very nearby my work. I may have to go over there on a lunch break this week for a test drive. They could be the winner.

Malcolm
 
a suggestion..how about ?

An older Filter Queen ( brown) with a good motor in it.


Put the FQ in a closet( or under the stairs that is central for vacuuming.

Hook up a 30ft non-electric OR electric central vacuum hose.

You can then choose your tools wand and power nozzel that suit your cleaning needs.


There you have it, a space saving, powerful central vac needing no piping in the walls.


You empty the canister once per month, it is quiet, fun to use, and you will be dusting less often!


I have this exact set up in my apt. There is alot of air flow at the end of the 30ft hose too. It works well too.
 
Uprights:

Hoover Tempo (Original WindTunnel)
Eureka The Boss Smart Vac 4870
Aerus Prolux
Kirby
Riccar

Canisters:

Aerus/Lux Classic
TriStar (pre-EXL)
Filter Queen
Dyson dc23
Rebuilt Electrolux (steel tank)

Or a central built-in is even better?
 
If you check out the Simplicity...

...also look to see if there's a Riccar dealer anywhere nearby. I know that Tacony only supports either a Simplicity or Riccar dealer in a given area, but not both, so you may only have one or the other around.

Both brands have many equivalent models are essentially the same. Don't know if Simplicity has a dual motor model like the Riccar Brilliance or not. But from the Riccar 8000 series and Simplicity 7000 series vacs I have, both lines seem more or less equivalent. There are some things you may like in one brand more than the other, like styling and handles, etc. For example, I like the look and feel of the Riccars more, but the foam slip-on handgrips on Riccars is really cheesy, and I like the molded plastic loop handles on the Simplicities better. But overall I like the styling of the Riccar more.

If you do like this style of vacuum and don't want to or can't spend the dough for a new Riccar or Simplicity, the Carpet Pro offers pretty much the same performance at a really value-minded price. They retail for something like $220, but I've seen them going for like $170-$180 shipped new from some ebay sellers. Again, the feel of some of the components, like the cheapish molded plastic wheels and the all plastic inlet hose on the back feel very budget compared to Riccars and Simplicities, but the insides, metal brush rolls, metal base plates, and performance are the same, making it an extremely good value.

I actually made a mistake getting the CPU-1 instead of the CPU-2 (commercial model) because the cord is too short for some of my needs. I would have gotten the CPU-2T next time, as well, as the "T" models have attached tools on the back. You may also want to think about which fits your needs best if you consider a Carpet Pro.

Let us know if the Simplicity/Riccar floats your boat.
 
Sanitaire or Kirby G series or Royal Metal Upright

Is what I would recommend for pure, raw cleaning power in a modern upright.
 

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