Forever Vacuum Bags?

[mark40511]

I came across this on youtube by accident......These look like they would work great and filter really well.......But emptying them....

They are machine washable...

Check them out and let me know what you think.

 

[twocvbloke]

Seen them before, wouldn't waste my money on them if I were you....

 

[eurekastar]

I've seen those before, but that's the first time I've seen one for a Kirby. My one concern is the size of the bag. A Kirby bag is much larger. With a larger surface area, my guess is that it will allow for greater airflow and thus have more power. That's just a guess. The material looks just like the material on my Tristar.

 

[eurekastar]

Forgot to mention -- I think many people would like them, especially those who don't have as great an issue with allergies. I think he's been selling them quite a while, so obviously there's a market for them.

 

[luxg]

Very interesting Mark, I just wonder if anyone out there has tried these and what they think of them?? Any idea of cost?

 

[mark40511]

Allergies?

Actually I think they would filter really well (like the hepa bags).........I notice a major difference with the paper micro lined bags as opposed to the hepa bags .....You can tell when emptying the bag, in the chamber that holds the bag, the chamber is messy with some dust that leaks out of the paper bag.....When using a hepa bag.........The chamber is perfectly clean..........

This is why I don't like to use the paper bags....Not only does the hepa bag filter better, but the fact that it filters better means you rarely will need to change the hepa or motor filter............

So I'm wondering if this filters as well as a hepa bag.....I don't have a problem with running out to the garage to empty it and the fact that it's machine washable is great.......

Those hepa (even aftermarket) bags are expensive..

These bags are 40 dollars though.....

But I'm a vacuuming freak. I go through them pretty quickly......

 

[twocvbloke]

Just remember, if you suffer from allergies, you shouldn't use these bags cos you have to shake them out and spray dust everywhere, not as hygienic as having a disposable bag (use polypropylene bags, not paper!!), cos with those you just pull them out and toss 'em out, simple...

Cloth bags are like the filters in bagless vacs, they get dirty, and they clog up after a few uses, they reduce the performance of the vac, and then you have to pull it out, clean it out, wash it, wait for it to dry, and then vacuum a few more times and repeat, too much hassle if you ask me...

 

[mark40511]

Hmmm

I don't notice a loss of suction at all in my Kenmore Can with the cloth bags......Can u send me a link to the bags you're talking about? I've never heard of them.

 

[joshdonnell]

forever bags

i thing you should buy the forever bags . if you go through bags fast. 40 dollars one time . its being eco friendly . just undo the bag at the bottom. and get your trash bag and stick the forever bag and the there and shake. its a good investment . then throw away bags. buying bags over a year or 2 your just wasting your hard earn cash. when buying throw away bags

 

[twocvbloke]

Disposable Polypropylene bags are what people refer to as "cloth" bags, or 3M bags, they're the white bags that you see with most modern bagged vacs, depends on whether you can get them for your vac models, some you can't, but with a bit of glue and a little patience, it's easy to modify ones made for other brands to your own...

 

[williamr1248]

Forever vacum bags

Mark,
I bought one for my Kirby Legend ll. It seems to filter as good as the throw-away Kirby bags. Mine came with a large slide off clip on the top. I have not noticed any more smell than I got from the expensive Kirby hepa bags. I thought it was a good value compared to buying all the replacement bags. I paid about $40.00. It seems to be made nice and the customer service was good. He gives you a price break if you order 2 bags. I think they can be washed too.
It seems to have very good air flow.
I was thinking of getting one for my Air-Way, just in case getting bags becomes a problem in the future.
Of course like any upright with a bag you are going to have a ordor. I thought it was a good value if you don't mind messing with a cloth bag,paper bag or bagless bin.

 

[mark40511]

Twocvbloke

So when you say polyprop bags you actually mean "cloth" bags.......In your post above, you mention not to use paper or cloth, but to use polyprob bags, and that didn't make sense to me, because the cloth hepa bags ARE polypro bags........Right?

This is the type of bags I have been using and they are AWESOME! They don't lose suction as they fill and they don't leak AT ALL......If the forever bag works as good as these, which I suspect they do, then I may get one when my stash of bags comes close to running out.





http://www.vacuumbagsexpress.com/24-KENMORE-TYPE-C-Q-or-5055-50558-ANTI-ALLERGEN-BAGS.html

 

[twocvbloke]

Polypropylene bags are incorrectly called "cloth", they're not cloth at all, they're layers of fine Polypropylene fibres that are not woven together, but pressed and fused together with heat, cloth is a woven material and is made in a completely different way...

The "forever" bags are just a cloth that is like having a Kirby with a shake-out bag, the only difference is it's a shakeout bag fitted in a regular bag. When you think about it, you have to pay for the utilities and washing soap used to wash the things, and when you total them up, well, you may aswell just save the effort and buy disposable bags...

 

[joshdonnell]

forever bags

true but throw away bags just seat in landfil for years they don't biodegrade . not being eco friendly . the forever vacuum bag is best end of story

 

[twocvbloke]

Bullcrap, the "forever" bag isn't "the best", far from it infact, it's just a rehashed old idea that's been about long before this "idea" was thought up. And after a couple of years of washing it'll fall apart and you're back to square one, AND it's thrown in the bin and whaddya know, it's sat in landfill...

 

[joshdonnell]

forever bags

i think it a good idea . btw i know because i own one . good day

 

[twocvbloke]

Owning something doesn't make it the best...

 

[scvacuumguy]

The forever bag is a glorified dump bag. I've heard that they don't last very long at all. The poly bag is completely awesome, as Mark said earlier- there is no dust left in the bag chamber.

 

[joshdonnell]

forever bags

well i don't know where you heard that i have had mine for for 4 months now and it still works .

 

[luxlife]

Count yourself lucky if there's no dust left in the bag

Even my Miele Capricorn with the Poly bags still leaves residue in the chamber. I'm beginning to believe that vacuum cleaner filtration is a relative concept based on one dust containment scenario that may or may not better than the other, but I haven't scene one yet that is perfect. HEPA vacs/bags aren't supposed to make our homes cleaner or our air easier to breathe, they're just supposed to hold more of what they collect without leakage back into the air.

 

[eurekastar]

What is "cloth"?

Felt isn't a "woven" fabric. It's usually made of cotton or wool fibers that are PRESSED together and not woven. Yet felt is still considered a textile or cloth. Given that textiles are made from a variety of natural and artificial fibers and bonded together by a variety of methods, I think it would not be incorrect to refer to polypropylene bags as "cloth bags".

Also, I've decided to order one of the Forever Bags and try it for myself. I'd rather make a judgment regarding a product's usefulness and quality based on firsthand experience. I'll let you all know what I find. I want to thank Mark for starting this thread, because I've been curious about them for a long time.

 

[scvacuumguy]

Think about the reality of air filtration in a vacuum cleaner. Let's say one vacuums twice per week, and it takes maybe 30 minutes of continuous vacuum use to clean a normal sized home. The average person is going to be vacuuming 4-5 hours per month. Does filtration really matter- if you are only moving air through the machine for 4-5 hours per month?

 

[joshdonnell]

hey

and a vacuums job is to keep the home clean

 

[tolivac]

I am wondering if this retrofit cloth dump bag would be better than the Keeler Kirby unit that has the pleated filter and dump bin.remember those?If you wash the bag-would think you need two-one in the vacuum-the other being dumpted,washed and drying.Think I will stick to the Filtrete style bags.And will the smaller retrofit version hold more debris?and you will need to dump these after each use-otherwise smells and clogging.And note they don't make a Forever bag(at least not yet)for the "F" style Kirby Sentria.And how bout the "future" Kirby?

 

[twocvbloke]

Keeler Krap...

The keeler bagless thing is just a bunch of Eureka/Electrolux parts designed for negative-pressure vacuums glued onto Kirby hose-ends, it is highly inefficient and relies on those cheap and nasty cartridge filters that love to clog up, especially when air is forced through them under positive pressure, it isn't going to work as well as a proper bag setup (Shakeout or disposable) as the Kirby is made for a large surface area for filtration, not a tiny little filter...

As to the "What is cloth?" question, well, that's already been answered, Cloth is a sheet of woven fibres, either natural or man-made, Felt is just that, felt, it's pressed wool fibres made into a felt sheet with heat and pressure, you could say the polypropylene bags are a form of Felt, just made from a man-made plastic instead of animal fur...

Just so you know I live in a part of the UK where the cotton industry boomed, so I grew up learning a lot in school about making cotton thread, cloth weaving, felting, clothing manufacture, etc., so I'm pretty sure I know the difference between Felt and Cloth, and a Polypropylene bag is not a Cloth material, it is pretty much a felted, heat-bonded fibrous material, and is not made on a loom which would make it a cloth...

And yes, filtration matters if you suffer from allergies, you never know what is in the carpet that has been dragged in on your feet, or blown in through the doors, windows or ventilation, if your vac is picking up allergens and spitting them back out, then, I wouldn't consider that a decent vacuum cleaner, thankfully I don't suffer from allergies like some do (I do get minor irritation when working on dusty and dirty things or using my Kirbys with their shake-out bags), but the mother does, and I do have to be careful with how I look after my vacuums and what they put out from the bags...

Not to mention, I'd much prefer a bag that doesn't compromise the airflow of my vacs, less surface area for filtration means less airflow means less pickup, and less pickup means there's no point in vacuuming if you're leaving the dirt in the floor...

 

[tolivac]

I can agree on the pleated filters-they perform poorly in shop type vacuums-drywall cleanup is a hassle-you have to constantly clean the pleated filter of drywall plaster dust.Clogs them quickly.External filter wet-dry vacs are better.The Keeler attachment would be those that clogs after the user cleans each room.You are then forced to dump the dust cup and clean the filter-guess you would need a BAGGED canister cleaner to do that without inhaling the dust that clogs it.For Shop type vacuums you can get very large paper bags for them-far better than relying on the pleated filter-you use the bag and the pleated filter.then the vacuum gives clean air on the discharge.And Keeler promoting his gadget for pet owners-bet the pleated filter has to be replaced OFTEN or it will stink like a dead dog.--With the filter purchases-you have not saved-better to use the bags.So if the disposable bag smells-replace it.

 

[eurekastar]

Felt

By definition, felt is a "non-woven" CLOTH. Cloth is produced by weaving, knitting, crocheting, knotting, or pressing (e. g. felt) natural and/or artificial fibers together. My Kirby 4C bag has a felt bag. As far as I know, it is the only Kirby ever produced with that type of bag. I think most people would agree that it has a CLOTH bag, even though it wasn't made on a loom. Therefore, it's clear that not all CLOTH is produced on a loom by weaving fibers together. For that reason, polypropylene bags are CLOTH.

 

[mark40511]

Eureka.........You ordered one? Really? PLEASE let me know your honest opinion when you get it.

 

[swiveltop]

Mark

I started using my rainbow D4 SE ,this is my third one ,I sold the first two,I didn't really like these vacuums, but started using this one and after a week or so my alergies have diminished greatly,I can now breath fron both sides of my nose