Filter Queen and Tristar

[tolivac]

SR motors DO have the same torque as their universal and DC cousins--and the torque of the SR motor can be varied.Large SR motors are appearing in industrial jobs that used to have induction and DC motors.Current Thermo-Mix machines have SR motors-they work well for the jobs the motor has to do-blending,mixing,even kneading.Another interesting thing on SR motors-like induction motors they could be used for refrigeration compressors-no moving or arcing contacts.And the SR motor can have a WIDER range of speeds.
Clogging in TriStars or other vertical bag canisters-like any other bagged canister the bags will clog if you just pick up only fines-but add coarse material to the mix to "knock" the fines off the bag and keep them from clumping-then the suction is fine!That is why many drywall contractors like using both TriStars and Filter Queens for finish cleanup from drywall hanging jobs.They use a Shop type vac first-then the other machines.

 

[eurekastar]

My only concern with the newer model Tristars is with the wands.  I personally have never had a problem, but I've read about problems from others.  The plastic wants are kind of clunky and prone to short out.  I installed one of the new brushless motors in mine and it works great.  It seems like I had to buy a new style motor mount too. 


 


I like Filter Queens, but they have a few drawbacks to me.  1) They're not as easy to use (e.g. to empty, filter replacement, etc.); 2) They are more expensive to operate (filter cost); 3) I'm not a fan of the power nozzles (the new power nozzle easily gets bogged down in plush carpet and is difficult to push -- the older power nozzles never seemed very aggressive). 


 


So I guess my nod would go to the Tristar.  Plus, for someone like me who likes to work on his own stuff, they are easier to service.

 

[kirbyloverdan]

I have Frieze' carpet

And the Filter Queen goes through it easillly never Boggs down as other machines can .
The old style PN seemed to just glide over the carpet and not good deep cleaners that was why the redesigned it the new style PN are more effective cleaners .
Filter are not that much difference in cost .
I work on machines also and they are equally easy to repair .
I don't feel the wands are clunky I like them and have never had any problems with them and my entire
family uses Aerus With the same wand set up and theirs have been problem free .

It comes down to personal preference buy them both and enjoy

Dan

 

[jfalberti]

I like both

I have both, a Filter Queen and a Compact, and I'm happy with either one. I do need a set of wands, an external power nozzle cord and straps for the Compact's power nozzle though. It's basically a Eureka Roto-Matic power nozzle with a Compact decal on it.

 

[kirbylux77]

Ultralux88

Hold on a minute. Am I reading your reply right here?? You're saying Aerus is introducing Cloth HEPA bags for ALL their vacuums? Including the C, U & R bags? Did your local Lux guy give you any idea as to when these bags will be introduced & available for sale thru Aerus distributors?

I truly hope they are doing this! It's about time they brought out a Cloth HEPA bag for their vacuums. Besides, doing this they wouldn't have to open up a bag manufacturing operation in Bristol, Virginia again. There are manufacturers in China already making Cloth HEPA Electrolux bags, if you look on the Internet you can find them easily. So considering Aerus would have minimal manufacturing expense, the Cloth HEPA bags are superior in filtration & cleaning performance which can be demonstrated to a customer, & the distributor can justify selling them for more money, everybody wins, except the customer that is LOL. In addition, since the bags won't rupture & filter better, it should also reduce warranty claims for replacement motors, since as long as a customer is using genuine Aerus bags, the possibility of a bag rupture & possible motor damage is eliminated.

However, having said that, I don't agree with the idea with the idea of a HEPA filter designed for the bag chamber. If they are introducing Cloth HEPA bags, there is no need for one. Plus, if they REALLY want to sell existing customers on HEPA filtration for their existing Aerus or Electrolux vacuum, all they would need to do is design a replacement filter cover for the plastic bodied canisters & sell the Guardian Ultra HEPA filter to them. Aerus can claim all they want that it won't work on plastic bodied canisters, since the Guardian Ultra is the only canister that used Style C bags that was a sealed canister, but that's not true! I have successfully used the Guardian Ultra HEPA filter in my Canadian AP280 & 2100 plastic bodied canisters, with no issues regarding leakage, & both of them filter exceptionally well with the HEPA filter installed. Sure, if they went this route they would be eliminating customers with the metal bodied canisters, but they can still sell them Cloth HEPA bags, & since they are discontinuing most parts for them, perhaps convince the customer that it's time to upgrade to a new model.

Rob

 

[ultralux88]

I don't know what sort of timeline we are looking at, I was kind of hoping they would be out by now. I'll check and see next time I talk to him.

Tolivac, the torque thing that I was saying is basically what someone who I believed to be knowledgable told me, I'm actually glad to know that isn't correct. I do think that SR motors are very much superior to brushed motors, primarily because they are more reliable without the brushes, but also because of the speed control you mentioned, not only is the speed range wider but because the speed of the motor is monitored by the controller (in the Rainbow they use a Hall sensor setup like you'll find in Tacony's idler pulleys on the permanent belt models) its extremely precise, so they are great for situations where as the load varies the speed can be easily maintained simply by having the firmware on the controller do so. The motor in my DC22 I believe claims to run at an insane 88,000 RPM, you'd never be able to do that and have it be practical with a brushed motor. I'm not even sure a brushed motor could do it. If its possible, I would love to see PN motors switch to SR technology as well, it will only make a better, more reliable vacuum in the end.