F&G bag spillage
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kestinfox
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Absolutely!
@human, I can definitely post pictures of my setup! Once I get home, I'll take a few and post them.
It's fairly simple, I use two zip ties to secure the fill tube around the F&G nozzle, one at the top of the nozzle and one at the bottom to minimize leakage and to make sure there's a really good seal. It looks pretty good, too. Though I am using the non-crushproof fill tube, it would probably work with the crushproof fill tube, but you'd have to make extra sure the zip ties are tight.
You can use the bag spring for a little extra seal, but with the two zip ties it's not really needed. I just hang on to them in case I ever want to convert back, like if I'm giving a vacuum to someone who insists on the F&G bags.
I've linked the fill tube I use from eBay, it's definitely flexible enough to fit the F&G nozzle.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kirby-Bag-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
@human, I can definitely post pictures of my setup! Once I get home, I'll take a few and post them.
It's fairly simple, I use two zip ties to secure the fill tube around the F&G nozzle, one at the top of the nozzle and one at the bottom to minimize leakage and to make sure there's a really good seal. It looks pretty good, too. Though I am using the non-crushproof fill tube, it would probably work with the crushproof fill tube, but you'd have to make extra sure the zip ties are tight.
You can use the bag spring for a little extra seal, but with the two zip ties it's not really needed. I just hang on to them in case I ever want to convert back, like if I'm giving a vacuum to someone who insists on the F&G bags.
I've linked the fill tube I use from eBay, it's definitely flexible enough to fit the F&G nozzle.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kirby-Bag-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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human
Well-known member
I've got all the pieces...
Yes, that's the fill tube I've got, along with a head that's for a Heritage II and a whole mess of 11-inch zip ties. I can see this upgrade in my Sanitaire's future, once I deplete my present supply of F&G bags.
Yes, that's the fill tube I've got, along with a head that's for a Heritage II and a whole mess of 11-inch zip ties. I can see this upgrade in my Sanitaire's future, once I deplete my present supply of F&G bags.
eurekaprince
Well-known member
I’ve never really had a big problem with lots of spillage when changing a Eureka F&G dust bag, and I’ve been changing these bags in our family’s Eurekas for over 40 years.
Here is my simple procedure:
1. Unzip the outer bag
2. Bring down the cleaner’s handle to the middle setting (“operating” position)
3. Pull out the filled paper bag and let it lie flat on the carpet - the paper throat is now lying flat on top of the bag
4. Turn down the plastic neck with the coil spring so that it is completely out of the outer bag - almost horizontal to the floor like the rest of the paper bag
5. Roll the metal coil spring sideways to release the paper throat and voila - any dirt remnants that were at the bottom of the paper throat stay inside the throat or are deposited on the top of the filled bag
6. Fold the used bag in two to secure all dirt and dump in garbage.
The trick really is to do this with the handle in the operating position so you can easily pull out the plastic neck from the bottom of the bag so dirt remnants end up outside the outer bag.
Reverse the procedure to install a new bag.
Here is my simple procedure:
1. Unzip the outer bag
2. Bring down the cleaner’s handle to the middle setting (“operating” position)
3. Pull out the filled paper bag and let it lie flat on the carpet - the paper throat is now lying flat on top of the bag
4. Turn down the plastic neck with the coil spring so that it is completely out of the outer bag - almost horizontal to the floor like the rest of the paper bag
5. Roll the metal coil spring sideways to release the paper throat and voila - any dirt remnants that were at the bottom of the paper throat stay inside the throat or are deposited on the top of the filled bag
6. Fold the used bag in two to secure all dirt and dump in garbage.
The trick really is to do this with the handle in the operating position so you can easily pull out the plastic neck from the bottom of the bag so dirt remnants end up outside the outer bag.
Reverse the procedure to install a new bag.
kirbyklekter
Well-known member
ST or F&G Can't convert to either
I have the SC888 Sanitaire and it appears that this model was designed specifically as a dump bag only machine. The cloth bag has no baffles, it merely hooks on to a metal peg with a clamp that you twist to tighten.
There is no provision to put a baffle on as the Eurekas and my Blueline Sanitaire have, the two screw holes where the baffle is attached. I guess this "quick release" bag system is handy for the "Janitor on the go" but it's a dust blowing mess to me.
Other than just buying a new chassis for a model that came with a paper bag system from around the same era,do you know of any other way to go about making the switch to ST? I believe the bottom chassis is inter changeable with many Eurekas/Sanitaires. As it is now, I would have to drill screw holes in the back to attach baffle and a different outer bag that uses a baffle. Any ideas?
I have the SC888 Sanitaire and it appears that this model was designed specifically as a dump bag only machine. The cloth bag has no baffles, it merely hooks on to a metal peg with a clamp that you twist to tighten.
There is no provision to put a baffle on as the Eurekas and my Blueline Sanitaire have, the two screw holes where the baffle is attached. I guess this "quick release" bag system is handy for the "Janitor on the go" but it's a dust blowing mess to me.
Other than just buying a new chassis for a model that came with a paper bag system from around the same era,do you know of any other way to go about making the switch to ST? I believe the bottom chassis is inter changeable with many Eurekas/Sanitaires. As it is now, I would have to drill screw holes in the back to attach baffle and a different outer bag that uses a baffle. Any ideas?
human
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On a whim last spring, I bought a dump bag to F&G conversion kit for my Sanitaire SC686. It uses the exact same clamp mounting system as the dump bag so it was quick and easy up-fit—totally plug-and-play—no drilling or screwing required. The elegant simplicity of these machines is absolutely amazing. It makes them a joy to work on. Aside from the bag change annoyances described in this thread, it works great and whatever mess results is easily vacuumed back up once the new bag is in place. As mentioned in my previous response above, I'm considering converting it to use Kirby bags once I run through the remaining ten F&G bags I have on hand.
ultralux88
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You can buy a new outer bag that takes paper bags and connects to that latch on bag connector.
human
Well-known member
Outer bag kit...
Ultralux88 wrote:
You can buy a new outer bag that takes paper bags and connects to that latch on bag connector.
I reply:
That's exactly what I have. I stumbled across it while looking for parts to repair an Electrolux Diplomat LX canister that I'd recently rescued from beside a dumpster. It was a nice value at $26 shipped, especially since the package also included a dozen F&G bags and two belts. It's also cool that I can switch back to the dump bag (although I can't imagine a reason why I'd ever want to) in about a minute's time.
Ultralux88 wrote:
You can buy a new outer bag that takes paper bags and connects to that latch on bag connector.
I reply:
That's exactly what I have. I stumbled across it while looking for parts to repair an Electrolux Diplomat LX canister that I'd recently rescued from beside a dumpster. It was a nice value at $26 shipped, especially since the package also included a dozen F&G bags and two belts. It's also cool that I can switch back to the dump bag (although I can't imagine a reason why I'd ever want to) in about a minute's time.
kestinfox
Active member
Finally, pictures!
@human, here are the pictures of my setup I promised earlier! Took a bit longer to get around to it than I thought I was going to, but here it is.
Like I said further up, I just put two zip ties at the top and bottom of the F&G fill nozzle, just after or behind the groove at the top and the start of the flex at the bottom. I’m pointing to the zip ties in place in the second pic.
The third pic is the solution I came up with for supporting the fill tube at the top. It’s just a loose zip tie around the wooden bar for the cloth bag looped into the hook at the top of the Kirby fill tube adapter.
Hope this helps!
@human, here are the pictures of my setup I promised earlier! Took a bit longer to get around to it than I thought I was going to, but here it is.
Like I said further up, I just put two zip ties at the top and bottom of the F&G fill nozzle, just after or behind the groove at the top and the start of the flex at the bottom. I’m pointing to the zip ties in place in the second pic.
The third pic is the solution I came up with for supporting the fill tube at the top. It’s just a loose zip tie around the wooden bar for the cloth bag looped into the hook at the top of the Kirby fill tube adapter.
Hope this helps!
kirbyklekter
Well-known member
Sounds like a winner
If I just get a zippered outer bag like the ones that come on the Sanitaire, made for the paper bag, I can either use that with F&G bags or convert to ST set up. I didn't realize that the outer bag had the clip on the bottom as mine does. That's where I was getting confused about the mounting at the bottom.
The dump bag that's on mine has to be dumped from the top after opening up the bag at top, like the older Kirby's, with no zipper. I'm thinking this dump bag that was on my SC888 was from an older Sanitaire made when paper bags weren't offered for the Sanitaire line. This model has the wide wheels all around and you can change the fan from the bottom without removing the motor from the top, there's a clear cover over the fan that comes off easy ti check or replace the fan.
I've got the Heritage II bag and emptor that I bought to upgrade a classic ICR. I could borrow the innards from that and see if I like the difference in performance on the Sanitaire and go from there.
Thanks for sharing your ideas and advice.It will be nice to have a bagged or hepa bagged Sanitaire that won't belch dust out the bottom if I were to bump the bag against a wall or furniture while vacuuming. Frankenaire enters the 21st Century!
If I just get a zippered outer bag like the ones that come on the Sanitaire, made for the paper bag, I can either use that with F&G bags or convert to ST set up. I didn't realize that the outer bag had the clip on the bottom as mine does. That's where I was getting confused about the mounting at the bottom.
The dump bag that's on mine has to be dumped from the top after opening up the bag at top, like the older Kirby's, with no zipper. I'm thinking this dump bag that was on my SC888 was from an older Sanitaire made when paper bags weren't offered for the Sanitaire line. This model has the wide wheels all around and you can change the fan from the bottom without removing the motor from the top, there's a clear cover over the fan that comes off easy ti check or replace the fan.
I've got the Heritage II bag and emptor that I bought to upgrade a classic ICR. I could borrow the innards from that and see if I like the difference in performance on the Sanitaire and go from there.
Thanks for sharing your ideas and advice.It will be nice to have a bagged or hepa bagged Sanitaire that won't belch dust out the bottom if I were to bump the bag against a wall or furniture while vacuuming. Frankenaire enters the 21st Century!
