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Yes Jamie, but how big is the drum and how much can it hold on 1 load? The diameter of the drum in my drier is 22 inches - how big is it on your Bendix?
Could it accomodate a 14.5 tog double duvet or 2 pillows?
 
The Bendix has a 3KG weight rating.

It can fit pillows in and although I've not tried I'm sure it would fit a duvet in.
 
I'm sorry, but I must suggest that the whole idea of electricity consumption has become a little lost in translation here. To speak of refrigeration appliances for one moment first of all, these have long been a silent drain of electricity, but in recent years manufacturers have been forced to make strides in cutting running costs, mainly by redesigning the appliances so that they have much more insulation.

Frost Free freezers once used to guzzle electricity and when energy rating labels were first used, it was quite shocking to see how much power a frost-free appliance would use in comparison to a standard model. I do not have the technical knowledge as to how all this has been refined, but take a look at the ratings for any new frost-free appliance and you will see that energy consumption is at an all time low.

As for heated appliances, I feel to compare a heated appliance to something like a vacuum cleaner is to compare apples with oranges. As we established earlier on, a vacuum cleaner motor can be designed to work more efficiently and at a lower wattages, to produce the same suction as a poor quality high-wattage lampshade. The fact is that for what ever the reason, manufacturers have chose to take the path which they have done. The comparison I make is only the same as me owning a table lamp with a white shade and 40w bulb, against my neighbour next-door owning the exact same lamp but with a dark brown shade and having to use a 60w bulb in an attempt to create the same amount of usable light. I use this example as it is exactly what has happened in our respective homes.

However this is in respect of appliances where they are run consistently and the time take to complete the task -be it vacuuming a carpet or using the lamp to read a book- is entirely at the discretion of the user. A hob, a kettle, a tumble-dryer (at least a sensor model) all require a certain temperature to be achieved and the faster this happens, the more energy is saved overall. I cannot stress the use of the word 'overall' enough, because it is not sufficient to say kettle A runs as 2000 watts, whilst kettle B is 3000 watts, therefore kettle B uses more electricity, because overall (that is to say over periods of time) kettle B runs for a lesser amount of time than the lower wattage alternative. The same applies to a hob; the higher the watts, the quicker it will come up to temperature and thus shut-off until such time that the thermostat cuts back in.

Another example where a watt-for-watt comparison means very little (and this I use now as I know it is a very real source of confusion for a good deal of consumers) is in the way that one could not compare a 2000 watt fan-heater to a 2000 watt oil radiator, as the fan heater will always consume more electricity due to the design of it, that is to say there is nothing inside it to retain heat to continue warming a room, unlike an oil radiator which will retain heat and continue to heat a room even when the heater is off.
 
Yes, but on that last point, the oil filled radiator will need to be on for several minutes from startup before its really hot, ie, it takes several minutes to heat the oil up enough to give out the same heat as a convector heater. That several minutes is then given back when the heater is turned off, as it takes several minutes for the oil to cool down again. I hate this fact on a cold winter morning I turn on the oil filled radiator in the bathroom, but have to wait for ages till it has any effect
Convector or fan heaters give instant heat from the moment they are turned on, but stop as soon as they are turned off. Its just that with an oil filled radiator there is that time lag, as the oil absorbs the heat energy, and then as it gives it out after the input power is cut off.
 
That is a valid point Steve.

I have no oil heaters, but do have an electric fan heater in the fireplace in the living room which is brilliant for a burst of heat in the morning (especially in winter), but as soon as you turn it off the heat dissipates.
 
And that, friends, was the exact point I was making, that many variables have to be taken into account before judging whether this is this, and that is that. So as has been said, an oil radiator needs to be given time to get to full power, using electricity for the whole time, but then usage drops considerably as the oil is used to heat the room, rather than the heating element itself. As pointed out, downside is the time taken to get to where one needs it to be; the upside is the overall consumption of electricity is lower.

It was of course wrong of me to use this example in a message thread which has already become confused by comparing electrically heated appliances to other types, but I did give credit to all who may be reading to have the understanding that it was written more to show how things can and can't be compared, and how easy it is to get confused when all variables are not taken into account.
 
I am wondering why the dirty fan cleaners were all but made extinct in this country in favour of the clean air system, where the energy needed was a lot higher. It would be nice to have the choice like they still do in America to buy a clean air or dirty fan system. Dirty fan cleaners are a lot more energy efficient as I worked out earlier, with my Hoover Ranger using only 400W to do a great job. My Kirby doesnt use much more than this either.
Surely they will have to bring back dirty fan cleaners to be able to satisfy the new regulations of power requirements for vacs in the future.
 
That I think was to accommodate the growing trend to make upright cleaners with on-board tools. Such machines lacked power on clean-fan models as it was, and dirty-fan machines were worse. Filtration also plays a part I feel, as this became a very modern requirement in what seemed like a short space of time. We must also consider that James Dyson had already touted his clean-fan machine around most manufacturers and they must have known that he was about to produce it himself, bearing in mind also that a key feature of the Dyson was also the filtration, so I would also suggest that clean-fan uprights became the name of the game so as to keep ahead of forthcoming competition.
 
But if those regulations in the opening post do become law (god help us if they do) what are the vac manufacturers going to do? Only the likes of Kirby and Oreck are going to be able to meet the requirements as they are both dirty fan, and they are both American cleaners. Even the Numatic Henry would fall foul of the rules, and its hardly a power guzzler. I think the hose suction on my Kirby is more than satisfactory, and it operates my 32mm turbo tool well enough to pick up cat hairs from my sofas.
A major rethink on filtration would have to occur, as most HEPA filters restrict airflow quite seriously. Kirby now produce the Hepaflow bags which I use in my Kirby, and these are HEPA complaint on a dirty fan cleaner.
 
Well to start, I can't see it happening. Any reduction in motor wattage would have to be started by a manufacturer who was both happy to fly the somewhat controversial flag and also ride out the storm. Then others would follow IF it worked.

Reducing the wattage and maintaining good power is easy. I said it earlier, that the Electrolux and Hoover cylinders packed a punch, despite being only 750 - 1000 watts. This was because a lot of thought went into the design of the motor and also the design of the cleaner. Indeed James Dyson went to great lengths to say how the DC03 had a 700w motor but also had the same suction level as the 1200w DC01, and then again advertised how redesigning the tubes and ducts on the DC04 gave even more suction power from a 1200w motor. So it can be done.

At 1000w, the Hoover Turbopower 3 is in my mind one of the best examples of cleaner which really had it all covered. The only downside I found was the effort needed to move it round. A rethink of the wheels and a little more might have made for an almost perfect bagged cleaner.
 
I would agree with you about the TP3 - I had one several years ago. I wish I still had it as it was a superb cleaner, and with the autosense feature - you could do your vaccing using less power and only increase power when needed. I think more vacs nowadays should use the autosense feature - I know the American model Riccar Radiance does, and wish miele would incorporate it on more of their cleaners - I know they have manual control on most of the cleaner range, some do have auto control, but its not really very effective - at least on my S7 it isnt anyway.
Innovations like autosense should be the fundamental starting point - but unfortunately most multi-cyclonic models need full power all the time to work the cyclonic seperation system.
We could argue that most Dysons dont need as much suction as they actually have, as its pretty difficult to clean curtains etc on full power with a DC07 lol.
On the subject of cleaners being hard to push - I'm sure you've tried to push a Kirby Generation model with the tech drive turned off - you need some might to move them lol
 
"and the cats just ended up pulling the clothes off it a

Ah yes, pussy cats are a law unto themselves! Ha ha!
 
Yes but I wouldnt swap the little tinkers for the world, they give me a reason to vacuum every day when I come down each morning and theres black fur from one in little clumps in places on my beige carpet, and white fur from the other everywhere else lol. The one thing thats better about cats is that they dont make the hoover bag smell like dogs do.
 
There's nothing worse than getting a second hand cleaner from a house where they had dogs and neglected to give the vac any attention or servicing. Dysons are particularly bad in the doggy smell area, where all the pet dander gets built up inside the cyclone entry ducting.
 
Dyson & the Digital Motor

I wonder when, exactly, we can expect to see the infamous motor grace a full-size machine in the UK?

Japan and America have had full-size cleaners. We only get those battery operated handheld things.

Maybe they can't get it to work inside the confines of the ball?
Maybe they can't produce it in sufficient volume?

Very odd, after crowing about the bloody thing for the past decade!

It is this carrot-waving, then pussyfooting about which frustrates me. I just wish another manufacturer would develop their version of the motor and leave Dyson in a cloud of stoor!
 
"I wouldnt swap the little tinkers for the world"

Oh no, don't - they're marvellous beasties! I love the way that they suit themselves with an aloof air.
 
I expect Dyson has applied a patent to it, so, like the original dual cyclone system, other manufacturers cant copy it.
I agree that he should patent it as well, as all the other manufacturers laughed at him in the early 90's with his cyclone design and clear dust container - but then all tried to copy it when they realised that people actually liked his design. As I said before - imagine how different things could have been if Dyson got in partnership with Hoover in the 90's, instead of feeling bitter with the other companies and patenting his design and going it alone.
The DDM will come eventually to uprights and canisters - and then no-one else will be able to copy it, and Dyson will regain his top spot from the likes of Miele ( With Which magazine anyhow lol)
 

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