EU Ratings

[marcusprit]

Huh?

 

[turbo500]

^I wasn't talking to you .


 


The Vax that Nar posted above. A energy, C carpet, B hardfloors. Of all the ratings we've seen so far, that doesn't seem like the most far fetched by a long shot.

 

[marcusprit]

Yes but tested with a crevice tool :-/

 

[turbo500]

It's not tested with a crevice tool, it's tested on a floor with a crevice. Part of the testing is to see how much dust is pulled out of gaps, for example between floorboards.

 

[marcusprit]

But it says dirt picked up on a Wilton carpet with crevice tool?

 

[turbo500]

No it doesn't. It says "dirt pick up on wilton carpet with crevice". The word "tool" is not found anywhere.


 


Like Roger, I read this as "Dirt picked up on <span style="text-decoration: underline;">A</span> wilton carpet with <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 8pt;">A</span></span> crevice" ie. a crevice in the floor making the carpet uneven.

 

[marcusprit]

Yes I suppose it could be that. I would like to see exactly what the criteria is for the test procedure. That would be helpful.
I don't know where I can get that info from though.

 

[sebo_fan]

Vacuum cleaner collectors and buyers aren't the same though. Whilst no actual reference to "tool" has been added to the Vax label, the mere mention of the word "crevice" will stand out to buyers who recognise the word. In my opinion Vax haven't been exactly professional in the way the info has been presented, after all you don't go about cleaning hard floor using a crevice, but rather the hard floor tool, or a combi suction tool.

Anyway regulations can be found here - by all means have fun reading them, it's not all that easy to follow in my opinion in some parts, though it is interesting to note what the "test crevice" is and how it is defined.

The regulations also support the decision that brands should offer two types of floor tool such as one for carpets and another for hard floors.

Some brands already do this. Not least SEBO for probably being one of the first uprights for featuring both tools where their Felix is concerned.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2013:192:0024:0034:EN:PDF

 

[sebo_fan]

Or if you can't be bothered...

 

[sebo_fan]

2nd part

 

[marcusprit]

Excellent! Thank you Nar

 

[marcusprit]

Can't see anything about the brushroll being turned off. I don't like being told a cock n bull story!

 

[sebo_fan]

See what I mean about the EU being a lot of hoof? I have been saying it all along. Whilst other members are quite to happily promote that the belief that the EU law will at last make brands thoroughly produce efficient vacuums, the reality of the EU law is that it is a total farce, helped along by the more farcical nature in which the brands are testing and rating their products.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Im not convinced Dyson were even the first Dual cyclonic either.

Tub cleaners such as the Hoover Aquamaster are also cyclonic due to the tub being round and thus the airflow moves in a cyclone fashion.

Now it would be interesting to see if the bag itself had the air whirling around inside in a cyclone - that would mean 2 cyclones one either side of the bag wall.

Which makes me wonder if there is also a cyclone effect happening above the fabric filter situated above as this is also round in shape.

Thus I don't believe a claim of Dyson being the first 'Multi cyclonic'


Regarding the comment about the brushroll being off seems clear as day to me that someones being paid to lie (knowingly or unknowingly) which is hardly surprising given the companys poor ethic standards.

Case in point heard in both Lincoln store AND Derby.... by 2 different reps so its quite clear its part of the blurb they spout by putting the fear of god into a customer by linking....

'Emissions' with 'Carbon Dust' and 'Pollution' along with a higher risk of getting 'Cancer' from a vacuum cleaner motor and the air that blows out.

This guy wont stop for anything.

 

[turbo500]

Rob, we can even pre-date that! Look at the Lux 302 and earlier machines in that style. If you take the hose out, you can see the dust spinning around inside the bag and even with a full bag, the dust is thick around the edges with an almost clear suction path through the middle. And that's, what, 1972 and earlier?

 

[sebo_fan]

I suppose the major difference of paper bag "cyclones" though is the simple fact that any dust spunout in the middle is thrown around, upwards and outwards, but thus clogging the actual bag compared to sliding off a plastic non-porous container.

 

[sebo_fan]

Also a Tweet from Vax Commercial:

I sent Vax Commercial a Tweet as well as further asked them what they are using to clean wilton carpet if they are not using a crevice tool. We'll see what they may come up with tomorrow.

 

[spiraclean]

The other problem we have with the EU rating system as it is, is that people will treat it as gospel when it happens to reinforce the beliefs they hold about a certain product, but the moment things don't quite go their way it will be declared inaccurate or rigged!

With different products being tested by different labs, nobody can be sure the tests are 100% accurate across the board. Of course, each lab will be working off the same testing methodology laid down by the EU, but there's no way of knowing if they're all implementing it in exactly the same manner. Now, if all appliances (not just vacuums) were tested by ONE internationally recognised independent test institute, you would eliminate that concern from the get-go. The issue here is, every other testing organisation would scream there was a monopoly, and manufacturers would complain that it wasn't as cost effective as nominating a lab of their own choosing.

 

[Reflector]

That better be one insanely competent, incorruptable, infallible and perfect monolithic organization... Otherwise it still has the same flaws.

 

[marcusprit]

Good point reflector. Whoever does the testing it will never be 100% perfect and corruption is always a possibility. It's best to go by your own experience of a brand and a high percentage of good reviews.
And of course listen to members on here who know what they are talking about. With a few exceptions haha

 

[marcusprit]

And Chris Dyson have a patent on their multi cyclones. I think that tells you something

 

[turbomaster1984]

A patetnt means sod all - it just means they got the application in first and certainly does not mean he invented something nor was the first to use it.

Maybe Hoover or anyone else didn't realise what they had designed and bar a little diagram in the Aquamaster's brochure there wasn't any big song and dance about cyclones in vac's until Dyson came along.

Now who on here should be not be listening to?
Share names.

 

[marcusprit]

I disagree a patent means sod all. They don't hand them out willy nilly milli vanilli haha

 

[turbomaster1984]

Quite clearly it does mean sod all given the amount of cleaners now using and potentially some that have always used mutli cyclones for the best part of 90 years.

Anyway....

 

[marcusprit]

Haha if you say so. And anyway Dyson cyclones are most certainly ahead of the rest. Seems we now have 2 Turbonators

 

[turbomaster1984]

are they ahead of the rest?

who says so?

 

[turbo500]

I wouldn't exactly say they're ahead of anybody, especially considering that they can easilly be out-cleaned by 40+ year old vacuums.

 

[marcusprit]

I say so. Well if they can be out cleaned by 40 yr old vacumms then so can Sebo and miele as I own them too and the Dyson cleans just as well if not better. So stick that up your pipe turbos )))

 

[turbo500]

Wow, what a mature, convincing debate.

I don't know about you, Rob, but all my vacuum studying years now mean nothing and I am truly convinced that Dyson are the greatest vacuum cleaner EVER, just because Marcus says so!!! What a revelation.

 

[marcusprit]

Haha and can you name another cyclonic vacuum cleaner that has cyclones so efficient that there's no need for a pre motor filter?