Hey everyone, has anyone used any of the vacuums from this series, I think there are 3 of them, and if so, what do you think of them? I would love to have one of these in my collection, but was wondering what the difference was between them. The one thing that concerns me about these is that the speed control is electronic, which means they have a circuit board that could fail. Actually, if you want to reduce suction, I think the best way is just to have a valve on the hose. This way you're not having to mess with any kind of speed control at all, I wonder why so many manufacturers go the way of changing motor speed, it's just one more thing that could go out, whether it's a circuit board or a riostat. The valve on the hose isn't high tech, but it works well.
electrolux ultra one series
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dysonman1
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I recently sold my Ultra One on eBay. Hated the hose. Very stiff and hard to use. The cleaner was quiet, but it didn't impress me with anything outstanding.
Interesting, sounds like perhaps it's overpriced. Perhaps I will pick up a starbright and a prima tomorrow instead. According to consumer reports, the Electrolux vacuums do seem to require a lot of repair, I don't trust everything that magazine says though.
human
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Engineered to fail
N0oxy wrote: The one thing that concerns me about these is that the speed control is electronic, which means they have a circuit board that could fail. Actually, if you want to reduce suction, I think the best way is just to have a valve on the hose. This way you're not having to mess with any kind of speed control at all, I wonder why so many manufacturers go the way of changing motor speed, it's just one more thing that could go out...
I reply: That's precisely why they do it. Manufacturers today DON'T WANT their products to last 30 or 40 years like they did back in the good old days. They WANT their shit to fail and the sooner after the warranty expires, the better. A relatively short replacement cycle is good for short term revenues and since they can't see past the next quarterly sales report, that's the way they play it. Circuit boards are perfect for this ploy because manufacturers can use them to build in nifty features to wow the customer on the sales floor and then in a couple of years, they become a de facto self-destruct mechanism for the product when they inevitably fail. Put a one- or two-year warranty on the thing and design it to fail in three or four years and you've duped most customers into thinking they've gotten their money's worth while mostly dodging the warranty bullet. And the consumers just line up and buy another one, not that they really have that much of a choice anymore.
N0oxy wrote: The one thing that concerns me about these is that the speed control is electronic, which means they have a circuit board that could fail. Actually, if you want to reduce suction, I think the best way is just to have a valve on the hose. This way you're not having to mess with any kind of speed control at all, I wonder why so many manufacturers go the way of changing motor speed, it's just one more thing that could go out...
I reply: That's precisely why they do it. Manufacturers today DON'T WANT their products to last 30 or 40 years like they did back in the good old days. They WANT their shit to fail and the sooner after the warranty expires, the better. A relatively short replacement cycle is good for short term revenues and since they can't see past the next quarterly sales report, that's the way they play it. Circuit boards are perfect for this ploy because manufacturers can use them to build in nifty features to wow the customer on the sales floor and then in a couple of years, they become a de facto self-destruct mechanism for the product when they inevitably fail. Put a one- or two-year warranty on the thing and design it to fail in three or four years and you've duped most customers into thinking they've gotten their money's worth while mostly dodging the warranty bullet. And the consumers just line up and buy another one, not that they really have that much of a choice anymore.
sptyks
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2 speeds, no circuit board
Just a note. All Kirby vacuums since 1965 have a 2 speed motor, Low for vacuuming carpets and High speed for above floor cleaning with the hose and tools. As far as I know there is no circuit board inside.
Seems to me that manufacturers of canister vacs could provide 2 speeds without any circuit board. But I'm sure they know this but don't do it for the reasons stated by Human in the previous post.
Just a note. All Kirby vacuums since 1965 have a 2 speed motor, Low for vacuuming carpets and High speed for above floor cleaning with the hose and tools. As far as I know there is no circuit board inside.
Seems to me that manufacturers of canister vacs could provide 2 speeds without any circuit board. But I'm sure they know this but don't do it for the reasons stated by Human in the previous post.
eurekaprince
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I'll take an Electrolux UltraOne any day over a Simplicity or Riccar canister...the airflow is amazing and the design is beautiful.
kirbylux77
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Brian
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more if I tried! I totally agree with Tom on this one. Tom, I can totally see why you would sell your Electrolux UltraOne. It's a very nice cleaner, but no match for other TOL cleaners from Riccar/Simplicity, Miele, Sebo & Lindhaus.
The Riccar/Simplicity canisters, in particular, completely outclass the Electrolux & blow it right out of the water. The Electrolux UltraOne has lots of nice features & sleek styling & appearance....but that's where it ends. The HEPA filters may be cheaper & can be found in generic form, but their bags are ridiculously small, the Riccar/Simplicity canister bags are just as good & much bigger. The 3 in 1 tool is nowhere near as good as the Riccar/Simplicity 3 in 1 tool, the dust brush side of the Electrolux tool, the bristles are too short & it tries to stick to surfaces it is trying to dust. It is also too short as a crevice tool. In order to get useful tools for a Electrolux canister, you must buy Beam Q central vac tools & use them, at least this has been my experience with my Electrolux UltraCaptic. Even the Aerus-Electrolux style 2 in 1 tool on the Wonder & Prima is better than Electrolux's 3 in 1 tool. The hose is ridiculously short & stiff on the Electrolux....it should be at LEAST a foot longer, whereas the Riccar/Simplicity canisters, even the BOL models, have nice long flexible hoses, & they have solved the hose tearing problem they had in the past. And the Electrolux powerhead is a huge pain in the ass to take apart & perform maintenance & repairs....the Riccar/Simplicity powerhead, on the other hand, is a dream to work on, & you get a METAL brushroll with METAL endcaps & replaceable brushstrips....not wood with plastic endcaps like Electrolux. And for me, the dealbreaker with Electrolux is their absolutely PATHETIC customer service & parts availability! I have been trying to get a spare pre-filter for my Electrolux UltraCaptic for months now, it has been on the market over a year now, & the part is STILL not available!! ZERO EXCUSE FOR THAT ON A VACUUM IN IT'S PRICE BRACKET! Riccar/Simplicity vacuums on the other hand, you can walk into your local dealer & get ANYTHING you need. And let's not forget to add....Electrolux is manufactured in Hungary, & their repair record in the past is atrocious. Unfortunately, this is one thing Consumer Reports is totally right on. I would much rather take my chances on Riccar/Simplicity than Electrolux.
I may have bashed Riccar/Simplicity in the past....but no more! I am firmly convinced with the changes & new models Tacony has introduced to market, that their machines are one of the best values to be had in the TOL canister & upright market. I will definitely be adding a Simplicity Wonder to my collection at some point in the future when finances allow. Miele had better watch their backs, that's all I am gonna say
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Rob
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more if I tried! I totally agree with Tom on this one. Tom, I can totally see why you would sell your Electrolux UltraOne. It's a very nice cleaner, but no match for other TOL cleaners from Riccar/Simplicity, Miele, Sebo & Lindhaus.
The Riccar/Simplicity canisters, in particular, completely outclass the Electrolux & blow it right out of the water. The Electrolux UltraOne has lots of nice features & sleek styling & appearance....but that's where it ends. The HEPA filters may be cheaper & can be found in generic form, but their bags are ridiculously small, the Riccar/Simplicity canister bags are just as good & much bigger. The 3 in 1 tool is nowhere near as good as the Riccar/Simplicity 3 in 1 tool, the dust brush side of the Electrolux tool, the bristles are too short & it tries to stick to surfaces it is trying to dust. It is also too short as a crevice tool. In order to get useful tools for a Electrolux canister, you must buy Beam Q central vac tools & use them, at least this has been my experience with my Electrolux UltraCaptic. Even the Aerus-Electrolux style 2 in 1 tool on the Wonder & Prima is better than Electrolux's 3 in 1 tool. The hose is ridiculously short & stiff on the Electrolux....it should be at LEAST a foot longer, whereas the Riccar/Simplicity canisters, even the BOL models, have nice long flexible hoses, & they have solved the hose tearing problem they had in the past. And the Electrolux powerhead is a huge pain in the ass to take apart & perform maintenance & repairs....the Riccar/Simplicity powerhead, on the other hand, is a dream to work on, & you get a METAL brushroll with METAL endcaps & replaceable brushstrips....not wood with plastic endcaps like Electrolux. And for me, the dealbreaker with Electrolux is their absolutely PATHETIC customer service & parts availability! I have been trying to get a spare pre-filter for my Electrolux UltraCaptic for months now, it has been on the market over a year now, & the part is STILL not available!! ZERO EXCUSE FOR THAT ON A VACUUM IN IT'S PRICE BRACKET! Riccar/Simplicity vacuums on the other hand, you can walk into your local dealer & get ANYTHING you need. And let's not forget to add....Electrolux is manufactured in Hungary, & their repair record in the past is atrocious. Unfortunately, this is one thing Consumer Reports is totally right on. I would much rather take my chances on Riccar/Simplicity than Electrolux.
I may have bashed Riccar/Simplicity in the past....but no more! I am firmly convinced with the changes & new models Tacony has introduced to market, that their machines are one of the best values to be had in the TOL canister & upright market. I will definitely be adding a Simplicity Wonder to my collection at some point in the future when finances allow. Miele had better watch their backs, that's all I am gonna say
.Rob
kirbylux77
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And BTW, in case I haven't done so in the past....Tom, I apologize to you for bashing Riccar/Simplicity products & Tacony corporation in the past. After seeing some of the changes Tacony has made recently, & some of the other product offerings in the marketplace, I am firmly convinced that Tacony has what it takes to produce quality vacuums. I was wrong, & I admit that now.
Rob
Rob
thanks for the info
Thanks for the info, maybe I will hold off on getting an ultra one then, it really sounded like a nice machine to have in my collection, but not being able to get filters for it could definitely be a problem. I do actually have an adapter that will allow you to use standard attachments on their hose, but shame on them for using a nonstandard hose end, it's never good when companies choose to do that. The one I was thinking of was the ultra one signature.
Thanks for the info, maybe I will hold off on getting an ultra one then, it really sounded like a nice machine to have in my collection, but not being able to get filters for it could definitely be a problem. I do actually have an adapter that will allow you to use standard attachments on their hose, but shame on them for using a nonstandard hose end, it's never good when companies choose to do that. The one I was thinking of was the ultra one signature.
stricklybojack
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Scored...
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a Blue Simplicity Moxie yesterday! Like new from a woman leaving town for a new job.
Came complete with the deluxe attachments..now i need to look into upgrading the brush roll (to a three row) and get a new Hepa, Tom let me know how much those two items would run me please.
This is a keeper, so few decent canisters out there.
Sorry to divert. I too have wondered about the UltraOne but am now over it...i have two similar machines which rank as my worst vacuum purchases since collecting. $40 at auction for both Eurekalux canisters and neither work. Money down the drain. If i spend many hours i may get one working and sold to break even but i doubt it. Maybe trade for parts to a vac shop.
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a Blue Simplicity Moxie yesterday! Like new from a woman leaving town for a new job.
Came complete with the deluxe attachments..now i need to look into upgrading the brush roll (to a three row) and get a new Hepa, Tom let me know how much those two items would run me please.
This is a keeper, so few decent canisters out there.
Sorry to divert. I too have wondered about the UltraOne but am now over it...i have two similar machines which rank as my worst vacuum purchases since collecting. $40 at auction for both Eurekalux canisters and neither work. Money down the drain. If i spend many hours i may get one working and sold to break even but i doubt it. Maybe trade for parts to a vac shop.
sptyks
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n0oxy: As Tom Gasko said, the Riccar tools and hose are not standard diameter for a good reason - PERFORMANCE. The larger diameter allows for more airflow. We all know that suction with great airflow cleans better.
If you must use tools from other vacuums, there is an inexpensive adapter available, but beware, using the adapter with other than the Riccar tools will limit the performance of your new Riccar vacuum.
If you must use tools from other vacuums, there is an inexpensive adapter available, but beware, using the adapter with other than the Riccar tools will limit the performance of your new Riccar vacuum.
eluxfan71
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Ultra one Deluxe European Version
I have an Ultra one Deluxe which I like very much. It has very good performance on carpet and hard floor and it is very quiet. This version has a battery operated remote control (no cord in the hose) and a 2000 watt motor
I have an Ultra one Deluxe which I like very much. It has very good performance on carpet and hard floor and it is very quiet. This version has a battery operated remote control (no cord in the hose) and a 2000 watt motor
I had UltraOne (basic white model) about 5 years. It was straight suction model with just combination floor tool and 3 in 1 dusting/crevice/upholstery tool (butterfly tool).
All that went wrong with it was the 3 in 1 tool.
It had 2200w motor and amazing 425 air watts of suction. Noise level was also very low (71db).
It used large 5 liter S-bags. I always bought s-bag® ultra long performance alternative. One bag lasted incredibly long without loosing suction.
NOTE that i am comparing it to the canister vacs available in the Europe.
Overall I personally was very impressed and it has won most group test in Europe than any other canister.
BUT some people have reported problems with circuit board and some plastic parts.
Reason why I sold it was just "upgrading" it to the bagless UltraPerformer. Well what a mistake! UltraPerformer is ok, but UltraOne is much better in suction, noise and no small and messy dirt canister to deal with.
All that went wrong with it was the 3 in 1 tool.
It had 2200w motor and amazing 425 air watts of suction. Noise level was also very low (71db).
It used large 5 liter S-bags. I always bought s-bag® ultra long performance alternative. One bag lasted incredibly long without loosing suction.
NOTE that i am comparing it to the canister vacs available in the Europe.
Overall I personally was very impressed and it has won most group test in Europe than any other canister.
BUT some people have reported problems with circuit board and some plastic parts.
Reason why I sold it was just "upgrading" it to the bagless UltraPerformer. Well what a mistake! UltraPerformer is ok, but UltraOne is much better in suction, noise and no small and messy dirt canister to deal with.
sebo_fan
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Um, not exactly true.
human replies: "That's precisely why they do it. Manufacturers today DON'T WANT their products to last 30 or 40 years like they did back in the good old days. They WANT their shit to fail and the sooner after the warranty expires, the better. A relatively short replacement cycle is good for short term revenues and since they can't see past the next quarterly sales report, that's the way they play it. Circuit boards are perfect for this ploy because manufacturers can use them to build in nifty features to wow the customer on the sales floor and then in a couple of years, they become a de facto self-destruct mechanism for the product when they inevitably fail. Put a one- or two-year warranty on the thing and design it to fail in three or four years and you've duped most customers into thinking they've gotten their money's worth while mostly dodging the warranty bullet. And the consumers just line up and buy another one, not that they really have that much of a choice anymore..."
Well that's not quite true of every brand. Take Miele for example. I'm aware of so many models that are more than ten years old and where their circuit boards haven't failed. If there's one thing that seems to fail on Miele cylinder/cans it is that of the pedals that need the odd replacement, or a new auto cord reel or wear parts such as suction tubes and the odd floor head.
Miele also only offer lengthy warranties on SOME of their vacuums and the lengthier warranties are an extra cost to the owner for the addition of.
Recently when I met a Miele rep I asked him why Miele decided to bring out the old S700 canisters again, when in theory the S5000 and S8000 range are supposed to replace them. Miele have extended the life of their original series simply to keep parts going and simply because there is a demand for the old canisters.
human replies: "That's precisely why they do it. Manufacturers today DON'T WANT their products to last 30 or 40 years like they did back in the good old days. They WANT their shit to fail and the sooner after the warranty expires, the better. A relatively short replacement cycle is good for short term revenues and since they can't see past the next quarterly sales report, that's the way they play it. Circuit boards are perfect for this ploy because manufacturers can use them to build in nifty features to wow the customer on the sales floor and then in a couple of years, they become a de facto self-destruct mechanism for the product when they inevitably fail. Put a one- or two-year warranty on the thing and design it to fail in three or four years and you've duped most customers into thinking they've gotten their money's worth while mostly dodging the warranty bullet. And the consumers just line up and buy another one, not that they really have that much of a choice anymore..."
Well that's not quite true of every brand. Take Miele for example. I'm aware of so many models that are more than ten years old and where their circuit boards haven't failed. If there's one thing that seems to fail on Miele cylinder/cans it is that of the pedals that need the odd replacement, or a new auto cord reel or wear parts such as suction tubes and the odd floor head.
Miele also only offer lengthy warranties on SOME of their vacuums and the lengthier warranties are an extra cost to the owner for the addition of.
Recently when I met a Miele rep I asked him why Miele decided to bring out the old S700 canisters again, when in theory the S5000 and S8000 range are supposed to replace them. Miele have extended the life of their original series simply to keep parts going and simply because there is a demand for the old canisters.
sebo_fan
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PS: I eventually got to try a Truvox
A few weeks ago when staying down south in London and staying at a local hotel I got to sample one of the hotel's latest uprights; finally, a Truvox Valet single motor upright (See photo). I wasn't impressed sadly. It was too heavy and too cumbersome. I couldn't believe the price that the hotel had paid for it when I asked them about it and for the fact that it is run by a single rubber drive belt, of which the hotel have already had to replace a couple of times. I love the SEBO style wand and telescopic height adjust tube though...
A few weeks ago when staying down south in London and staying at a local hotel I got to sample one of the hotel's latest uprights; finally, a Truvox Valet single motor upright (See photo). I wasn't impressed sadly. It was too heavy and too cumbersome. I couldn't believe the price that the hotel had paid for it when I asked them about it and for the fact that it is run by a single rubber drive belt, of which the hotel have already had to replace a couple of times. I love the SEBO style wand and telescopic height adjust tube though...
sptyks
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That looks like a Riccar/Simplicity knock off.
sebo_fan
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Well Truvox are a "Tacony" company, after all.
As for the Ultra One vacuums - I love the design but I have never owned any for the simple reason that dust bags and filters seem difficult to get unless you solely shop online for them.
Since 2014 and before the EU law came in, I have noticed the lack of Electrolux based vacuums in shops in the UK in general. I fear that Electrolux may well go down the same route as Panasonic eventually and won't have many AEG vacuums left other than cordless stick vacuums.
Budget line Zanussi only seems to be available online or through mail order online companies.
As for the Ultra One vacuums - I love the design but I have never owned any for the simple reason that dust bags and filters seem difficult to get unless you solely shop online for them.
Since 2014 and before the EU law came in, I have noticed the lack of Electrolux based vacuums in shops in the UK in general. I fear that Electrolux may well go down the same route as Panasonic eventually and won't have many AEG vacuums left other than cordless stick vacuums.
Budget line Zanussi only seems to be available online or through mail order online companies.
stricklybojack
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Re post 14
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That TRUVOX is a common vacuum rebadged under many names and sold primarily as a commercial vacuum. You like the above floor cleaning ability yet decry the weight and cummbersomeness that is necessary to provide the feature(?). For what this vac is intended for it excels. I do agree however that because it is considered "commercial" the price often more than doubles for no apparent reason. These are also made in a two motor cogged belt version.
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That TRUVOX is a common vacuum rebadged under many names and sold primarily as a commercial vacuum. You like the above floor cleaning ability yet decry the weight and cummbersomeness that is necessary to provide the feature(?). For what this vac is intended for it excels. I do agree however that because it is considered "commercial" the price often more than doubles for no apparent reason. These are also made in a two motor cogged belt version.
sebo_fan
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"...You like the above floor cleaning ability yet decry the weight and cummbersomeness that is necessary to provide the feature(?)."
Nope I didn't say that I liked anything OTHER THAN THE WAND AND TUBE. Please don't assume that I went as far to spend time using the actual wand and tube. I only pulled it out to see how much stretch it gave and I was impressed with the telescopic height adjustable suction tube - a bit like Miele on their S7 but longer with the Truvox.
Sebo's uprights are lighter than the TRUVOX and the Valet model has that awful hinge-to-adjust central angle that doesn't always keep the sole plate on the floor. IMHE, a heavy upright in the commercial market doesn't need to be heavy all of the time.
Nope I didn't say that I liked anything OTHER THAN THE WAND AND TUBE. Please don't assume that I went as far to spend time using the actual wand and tube. I only pulled it out to see how much stretch it gave and I was impressed with the telescopic height adjustable suction tube - a bit like Miele on their S7 but longer with the Truvox.
Sebo's uprights are lighter than the TRUVOX and the Valet model has that awful hinge-to-adjust central angle that doesn't always keep the sole plate on the floor. IMHE, a heavy upright in the commercial market doesn't need to be heavy all of the time.
